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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ CLONE CLUB => Topic started by: Bret on January 28, 2013, 07:34:30 PM
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I was finally able to pick up my new full size Witness 10mm Wonder Finish. To my surprise, it came with a more squared type slide.
(https://s14.postimg.org/qt4jg5pzl/Witness_10mm_right_view.jpg)
(https://s14.postimg.org/6x8k0m8y9/Witness_10mm_left_view.jpg)
I'm hoping that the heavier slide will help dampen recoil and that I'll be able to avoid the cracking slide issue that some have encounered in the past. Interestingly, the front sight has a red dot instead of a white dot. I'm going to go ahead and order a Henning guiderod. I'll start my 10mm loads on the mild side. That is, when/if my brass shows up from Starline. It was suppose to be produced at the end of this month, but they updated the production date to March. Three additional 15rd magazines have already arrived from EAA, so I'm good to go as far as that goes. I'll keep everyone updated about shooting it.
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congrats on your new 10.
i have one of the older versions w/o the rail and in the black PC? finish. It hasnt seen alot of use, but when i did shoot it, it was fun.
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looks good :)
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Consider yourself lucky. It's a toss up on what you get based on where you order from and what the supplier happens to have at the time. I have the compact version of the same pistol, and i hoped for the squared slide and the tac rail. I got neither. :/
Nevertheless, it is a great shooter, and with the henning guiderod, and a stiffer spring there's pretty much nothing it won't eat.
The magazine pictured is a little odd though. Did it come with the pistol? i haven't seen the black followers come with a new witness in a while, and i've never seen one with that line running full length down the side.
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The magazine pictured is a little odd though. Did it come with the pistol? i haven't seen the black followers come with a new witness in a while, and i've never seen one with that line running full length down the side.
Those are the new Mac Gar made 10mm mags to stop internal round nose dives.
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Consider yourself lucky.
I do.
The magazine pictured is a little odd though. Did it come with the pistol? i haven't seen the black followers come with a new witness in a while, and i've never seen one with that line running full length down the side.
Yes, it came with the pistol. The three that I received directly from EAA are identical.
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I see... interesting stuff. Well let us know how the new mags, and more importantly, the pistol function when you get a chance to take it for a spin.
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Very nice. Color me jealous. 8)
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Very very Nice! 8) Congratulations! :)
I like the heavier squared Slide profile better than the rounded one. My 2004 .45 Witness has the older more squared profile with no forward serrations.
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I have the compact version of the same pistol, and i hoped for the squared slide and the tac rail. I got neither.
The frame with the rail is longer than the standard frame, so I dunno if they have it on a Compact frame. I wish I had the no-rail version on my Match. Go figure.
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Very very Nice! 8) Congratulations! :)
I like the heavier squared Slide profile better than the rounded one.
I like the heavier squared slide on this one simply because it will help lessen the recoil and (in theory) help reduce the chances that I'll have a slide cracking problem. I was pawing on my full size steel frame 9mm Witness last night. I actually like the more rounded slide on it.
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I have the compact version of the same pistol, and i hoped for the squared slide and the tac rail. I got neither.
The frame with the rail is longer than the standard frame, so I dunno if they have it on a Compact frame. I wish I had the no-rail version on my Match. Go figure.
Lol, the grass is always greener right? I wanted the rail so i could mount a light for nightstand duty, but i guess it was a blessing in disguise that i didn't get it, or finding a holster for it would have been even more of a nightmare than it already was.
As for the rail on the compacts, i've seen them, but never held one. The slightly longer dustcover comes just short of full length, leaving around 1/4" or so of slide showing.
Back to the point though, i think the squared slide will suit you well. Almost all of the cracked slides i came across during my own research were the newer rounded slides. Until i put a MUCH stronger spring in my rounded slide i was afraid to shoot anything more than the most watered down 10mm i could find. Now i still tend to shoot weaker stuff since its cheaper and i don't reload yet, but i have since put a few boxes of some pretty stout stuff (re: buffalo bore) through it with absolutely no ill effects.
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Fortunately I do reload, so I'll be able to work up my loads accordingly. From what I've read, AA #7 is a good powder for 10mm. I already have some that I've been using for my 9x23 Witness. I have a 22# recoil spring in my 9x23 Witness and everything cycles. I'm going to start with the same in the 10mm.
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I have several of the Witness 10 mm pistols. I would recommend putting a Wolff #20 spring for normal shooting and a #22 for higher pressure cartages.
If for no other reason that the spring that came with your 10mm will have you looking for your brass 30 to 50 feet from where you are standing. By installing the heaver spring, the brass lands 4 to 6 feet away.
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Look what showed up today from Starline!
(https://s7.postimg.org/qt7w03i4b/Starline_10mm_Box.jpg)
(https://s7.postimg.org/r797zp27v/Starline_10mm_Headstamp.jpg)
I already have powder, primers and bullets, so now all I've got to do is load 'em up.
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Sweet! 8) Happy loading! :)
I've used Starline Brass and it's great stuff!
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I have to wait for Starline to make some more 10MM brass. I only hope that it dose not take to ling.
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I installed the Henning guide rod and 20Lb recoil spring. The new spring makes it very difficult to rack the slide. It kind of reminds me of my 40S&W chambered Browning HiPower. Just in case, I'm going to take a 16Lb and a 18Lb recoil spring to the range as well.
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I got my first 50 10mm cartridges loaded today.
Brass: Starline
Bullet: Zero 180gr JHP
Primer: CCI LP
Powder: AA#7 (10@9.8gr, 20@10.0gr, 20@10.2gr)
C.O.L.: 1.260"
(https://s16.postimg.org/4xkos08h1/10mm_First_50.jpg)
I can just see the base of the bullet in the brass, so it looks like I've got good tension between the bullet and brass. The C.O.L. of 1.260" works in the magazine and the cartridges drop in and out of the chamber without getting stuck. It looks like I'm ready for a test fire.
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I shot it today. The pistol functioned 100%. Accuracy was good. It definitely has some kick. Based on the fact that the spent cases were still kicking out with good velocity, I think that I could go with a 22Lb recoil spring. The only problem with that is I can't rack the slide without swapping hands already. Next I'm going to make a lighter plinking load with a faster powder.
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I shot it today. The pistol functioned 100%. Accuracy was good. It definitely has some kick. Based on the fact that the spent cases were still kicking out with good velocity, I think that I could go with a 22Lb recoil spring. The only problem with that is I can't rack the slide without swapping hands already. Next I'm going to make a lighter plinking load with a faster powder.
Quite a number of 10mm shooters will keep two different springs handy. One for full power loads and another for more mid-range loads. I recommend dipping the heavy spring in Red enamel paint to keep from mixing the two different Springs up.
In the .45 Super, I've found the 18 lb Spring to be quite enough and when I went to the 22 lb Spring, felt Recoil was actually heavier. Also note, I use the Sprinco Recoil Buffer Rod with that 18 lb Spring.
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WHO DID YOUR WONDER FINISH ?? HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO A EXO FINISH OR CERACOTE??
HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST?
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WHO DID YOUR WONDER FINISH ?? HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO A EXO FINISH OR CERACOTE??
HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST?
"Wonder finish" is a Tanfoglio factory finish. Just like "Satin Nickel" is a CZ factory finish.
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Old thread I know, but I picked up a couple of cases of S&B 10mm 180gr FMJ from sgammo.com. It was $15.14 per box delivered which is a great price for 10mm. It will be interesting to compare it to my own reloads.
(http://1696252748.rsc.cdn77.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/new%20stuff%20418%20002_0.JPG)
I have six magazines for this pistol. They were pretty tough to load. I could only fit 12 cartridges in three of the magazines and 13 cartridges in the other three. All of the magazines are marked for 14, but there's just no way. Has anyone else encountered this issue with the K10 10mm magazines?
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I fired 50rds of my reloads (Zero 180gr JHP over AA#7) and 50rds of the above S&B 180gr FMJ's. I couldn't use my chronograph at the range, but the recoil of the S&B felt very similar to my reloads. Accuracy of both was pretty much the same. Based on an inspection of the cases, the S&B appears to have burned a little cleaner. The only other difference that I noticed was that the spent S&B cases seemed to go out of the pistol at about 3:00 while the spent reload cases went out of the pistol at about 4:30 or so. As a result, I lost more of the S&B spent cases down range to the front. I'm very pleased with the S&B 10mm and would recommend it. I'm also still pleased with this pistol. Accuracy is good and I like the kick.