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CZ LONG ARMS => VZ-58 semi auto rifle => Topic started by: brbm2 on May 05, 2013, 09:18:49 AM
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Hello,
I'm proud to present to you my new UK Vz. 59!
It's a 1961 original functionnal machine gun in its light configuration role (light barrel with bypod, as opposed to mounted on tripod with heavy extended barrel). I'll try to locate in the near future the other accessories (such as scope, tripod... etc.) and I'll soon get a VZ61 and probably a CZ pistol to complete my Czech firearms pack.
Its in very good condition. I got it with a 50 rounds assault box and a 250 rounds box filled with extra 50 rounds belts. The Magpul sling and attachement rings are obviously not originals, I just added them for fun.
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The organic sights.
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Very convenient and flexible carrying handle.
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Here are some pictures of the VZ59 semi-disassembled (the bolt and carrier are still in the receiver etc.) just to show the compactness for a light machine gun in 7.62X54R!
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Cool! Thanks for sharing.
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You have this in the US? Very nice and very very rare - I didn't know there were any transferable versions here! That's the oddball that cocks by pushing forward on the entire pistol grip assembly, correct?
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Thanks guys :D
Naaah this one is not in the US, but in Europe. Actually, they are not so difficult to find if you want one over here (and not so expensive), its just that people in most countries can't own them sadly.
In fact, if you want I have a few hundreds of them to sell. Complete or in parts.
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Thanks, but having one in the US would cost me about $300,000 in fines and 30 years prison time, bad idea. I work in prison - I DON"T want to live there! A fully transferable version of that would probably be very spendy here, as the National Registry for NFA '34 firearms, (select fire), was closed back in 1986 - everything available had to be on the Registry at that time. Someday we may get the Registry opened again, or repeal NFA '34 completely - THAT would be nice!
I also considered you might be in New Zealand - full auto can be owned, but oddly enough, never fired.
Thank you for posting pics and welcome aboard! Got any videos of your little friend firing?
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Very convenient and flexible carrying handle.
I don't think that was designed as a carry handle.
That's the barrel handle for changing out hot barrels (so you don't burn your hand off while doing so)
Thanks, but having one in the US would cost me about $300,000 in fines and 30 years prison time, bad idea. I work in prison - I DON"T want to live there! A fully transferable version of that would probably be very spendy here, as the National Registry for NFA '34 firearms, (select fire), was closed back in 1986 - everything available had to be on the Registry at that time. Someday we may get the Registry opened again, or repeal NFA '34 completely - THAT would be nice!
I also considered you might be in New Zealand - full auto can be owned, but oddly enough, never fired.
Thank you for posting pics and welcome aboard! Got any videos of your little friend firing?
Armoredman, I'm sure there are semiauto versions of the Vz61 floating around here in the USA. We have some very ingenious folks and our laws allow such things.
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Man!
I want one of those mounted on a sidecar.
very cool item, I wonder how ATF would feel about a de-milled one coming in? As Naolith said one in semi would almost be okay.
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It would have to be a completely new receiver in capable of mounting the full auto parts - "once a machinegun, always a machinegun" is the BATFE thinking. A demilled one would be basically a collection of parts with a receiver torch cut in three different places.
nalioth, I haven't seen one, but, yes, that doesn't mean there isn't one.
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Does it fire from the open bolt or closed bolt position?
Closed bolt would be a whole lot easier to make US legal (new semi reciever, a few us trigger parts). Open bolt to closed bolt conversions rarely work right (any open bolt is considered a MG, even if semi only).
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Hi,
The handle also serves for the purpose you describe obviously, but also as a carrying handle. You have to use the handle while firing during tactical movements, because there's no other place to put your support hand while firing. Have a look at this picture to see what I mean.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img515/2933/vz59ab.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img543/2417/762mmuniverzalnikulomet.jpg)
It fires from an open bolt. I have to think about how it would be possible to convert them into close bolt semi-auto.
I have seen on the net that they were sold in the US and Canada as Kits with the receivers butchered. I have seen also a vid from one in firing in the US, so someone must have one.
We can have them deactivated or otherwise modified to fire blank ammunition only (is that legal in the US?). Also, I guess we can sell them as complete kits minus the receiver.
I have one, because when it comes to full auto we are like New Zealand. We can have them, but we can?t fire them. It?s just a collector item, so no video of me shooting it :P
Hey, by the way I?m not new here :D
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Yes of course. ;)
Nope, firing blank ammo wouldn't work either, because it would still be full auto. They would have to be imported as "parts kits" minus the receiver and barrel. :( Get with Dan Brown of CzechpointUSA on that one - he is an expert on importation of Czech rifles into the US. That would be kinda cool to have a semi-auto belt fed version of the vz-59.
Edit to add, looks like an outfit called Historic Arms already built a semi-auto vz-59, found one on Gunbroker for $1500. Apparently there was a 7.62x51 version called the vz-68/vz 59N too, but haven't dug up any of those yet.
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Marcolmar is building semi's off of kits. I think there are still kits available on gunbroker, or you can order the whole package from Marcolmar. I have one incoming, soon hopefully. I'm stoked.
http://www.marcolmarfirearms.com/
I'm wondering who is going to be building these...tempted to get a kit. Talked to a guy about them, apparently it wouldn't be hard to run them as 9mm.
https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/51/products_id/3278
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Thanks for the great info guys. ;)
I think I'll maybe contact them.
By the way, if any of you eventually buys one of their build, please contact me!!!
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Yes of course. ;)
Nope, firing blank ammo wouldn't work either, because it would still be full auto. They would have to be imported as "parts kits" minus the receiver and barrel. :(
This isn't an "evil assault rifle", so I believe barrels are allowed in.
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Haha, yeah.
Ha, you want to know why they really hate that you use and train with them?
Simple, it's mainly because once you know how to operate and be efficient with any AR platform, you are most certainly capable of using effectively M16 and M4 assault rifles...
Well, that's especially important in a Warsaw Ghetto Uprising type situation among other things.
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I believe marcolmar firearms is taking pre-orders. They usually produce short runs of desirable arms.
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Hey brbm2...
Awesome setup! Do you have any leads on getting the scope for the uk59? I would love to have one! Let me what turns up.
Thanks
Ray
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Right hand feed, non-disintegrating links....so non-US! ;-)
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Hi,
Thanks mate!
For the original scope, I'll be going to Czech Republic next month to meet with wholesalers (of VZ59 among many other things), so I'm hoping to find a lot of stuff there ;)
If you are ever interested by parts, accessories and other things I'll probably be able to help.
Meopta also manufactures a French licenced night vision scope that can be mounted on the VZ58, VZ59 etc. It's the MEO50 I think.
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Hi,
Thanks mate!
For the original scope, I'll be going to Czech Republic next month to meet with wholesalers (of VZ59 among many other things), so I'm hoping to find a lot of stuff there ;)
If you are ever interested by parts, accessories and other things I'll probably be able to help.
Meopta also manufactures a French licenced night vision scope that can be mounted on the VZ58, VZ59 etc. It's the MEO50 I think.
Can I come too? I'll pay for the beer? ;)
Why isn't all the Meopta stuff marketed much in the US? Ie. red dot sights too? Are there any CZ 82's/mags left to import? VZ 54's? VZ 54/91? Are there loaders available for the VZ 59? Know anything about Grand Power?
It is the MEO 50, btw. Although this one looks different from the current one on their website.
(http://www.infrared.cz/Produkty/Zamerovace/Meo50/galerie/meo50_01.jpg)
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Hi,
I don?t know what the new Meopta company is doing right now.
I can get the mags I think and I can get loaders for UK VZ59 for sure. Probably also the other guns if they have some.
I don?t know if you can, but also soon I go to Slovakia. Gran Power is in Slovakia actually.
Among other things, I have a small ads website we made for others and from where you can see a small selection of guns and accessories we can sell. The website is still be constructed and evolving. It?s completely free also: www.armamentbroker.com (http://www.armamentbroker.com)
I have some UK VZ 59 for sale also there.
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Hi brbm2
Belts are easily had here in the US. Let us know what you find in the Czech Republic! Maybe even tripods? If you can, please let us know what kind of optics are available for the uk vz59 and at what price and also what would a loader run? Also what would it cost to ship an optic or loader to the US? Thanks!
Ray
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Tripods can be had, day-time optics I'll try to look for some. Otherwise, I already know where I can get spare parts, armorer's chests, and PPN infrared scopes for VZ-59.
If that interests you, you can contact me.
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brbm2,
Right now mostly looking for a day-time optic. Let me know what you kick up. Thanks!
Ray
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Hi,
Ok, we do like that. Where I'll go I'll probably find tons of stuff listed nowhere for sale. I'm pretty excited.
Regards.
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I'd at least be interested in a loader and tripod. Optics will depend on what you find.
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Tripod is easy. What's your budget?
Loader I think I'll find there and hoping for optics too.
I'll by an armorer's chest also ;)
Are there any 75 rounds drums VZ58 in the US? Because I can have some.
Are you interested by a PPN for VZ 59?
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I know this is an old post, but I will try a reply to get the ball rolling on the VZ59. I am trying to source a VZ.59 belt loader for ship to/use in the US. Anyone know of a reliable supplier?
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Hello all, i a new to this forum business, but i see brbm2 says he has a lot of parts for the vz59 uk, i have the same weapon but its missing its bolt carrier ( the rest of the weapon has already been deactivated to UK spec ) so if brbm2 would care to contact me i would like to rectify this problem, regards to all kev
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Hi Kev,
Your request is quite ambiguous.
brbm2
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Just to clarify, when my vz59uk was deactivated in the uk, the weapon had the bolt carrier removed and left out or lost when it was re-assembled, i am trying to get a replacement (without the firing pin, and ideally de-milled) another alternative would be to borrow a deactivated carrier or get diagrams and dimensions to make a non firing copy, so my deactivated weapon will cock and dryfire, hope this explanation clears up any problems or worries
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Hi,
That sounds already more legit.
I will look around for a deactivated carrier, but its usually just easier to find a complete deactivated UK59 than just that. Although, I will still look around.
I'm currently in the process of buying the accesories for mine. Quite a lot of stuff. I didn't have any time for that previously.
Regards.
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Anyone have experience with standard UK VZ.59 tripod? I have no issues setting up the tripod mounting my UK on it in horizontal fire configuration and I have figured out how to set up the tripod for the aerial assault configuration , but I am missing something mounting the UK in the aerial assault config. According to the Czech UK manual you just " use the left thumb to align the gun and the front bracket bolt while pushing into the groves up to the stop". This is fine and I do this but unless the gun is held horizontal or manually held in place the front bracket bolt just slides back out of the mount. So I guess my question is: What hods the gun in the mount in the aerial assault mode? Is my tripod missing something or is there some attachment inside on of the legs? Anyone have a pic of their tripod gun mount attachment in Aerial configuration?
UPDATE: I think I figured it out. I had originally tried pushing the receiver retaining bolt into the mount with the rifle buttstock up / muzzle down to secure the UK in the mount and I did/could not get the retaining bolt into the slots in the tripod mount. This seemed to be the correct way to secure the rifle into the mount (and I was correct all along). The UK manual (translated from Czech) kinda threw me off, but I was correct the first time, just did not get the correct angle. The VZ59 rifle is now secure in the aerial tripod mount and it could now be utilized to fire horizontally or vertically (at aircraft, flying saucers, etc.) or just be used as a display. The rifle must be held by the shooter to the proper angle as there is no way to lock it at a specific angle (that I can see). The default angle the rifle sit in if unassisted by the shooter is virtually straight up, unless you use a bungee cord or para cord to hold it in position, like I did in the picture.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz4wYeFVkjPtZ1JOZFB1bVV1Wm8/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz4wYeFVkjPtblFodTdSVGsteXM/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz4wYeFVkjPtQjh6dGxWajJZRGc/edit?usp=sharing
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VZ.59 sights
Are there any VZ.59 owners following this thread? Are there any VZ.59 owners monitoring or contributing to this forum? Perhaps this is the wrong forum for VZ.59s?
If anyone is looking for a VZ.59 4x optic I have a few available that I can post in the marketplace. PM me and I will put up a list and full description with pics. I want to offer these to VZ owners in the forum before putting them up on auction sites.
I find these optics unique and interesting in several ways. Here are some specs and things I have found: Please comment on anything you think is incorrect. THESE OPTICS WERE DESIGNED TO TAKE THE VIBRATION AND SHOCK OF A FULLY AUTOMATIC UK VZ.59 LIGHT MACHINE GUN IN A HARSH COMBAT ENVIRONMENT, SO WHILE THEY ARE SIMPLE IN DESIGN AND FUNCTION, THEY ARE VERY ROBUST FOR A 1960's SIGHT.
The Universal Machine Gun - UK VZ.59 4x telescopic sight.
Factory: ?yal? Meopta Prerau - Prerov factory
Manufactured: 1960's
Tube: 35mm
Magnification: fixed 4x, non adjustable focus and magnification.
Reticle: Cross with single chevron in center ? reticle moves off center with windage and elevation adjustment similar to a Mosin PU sight
Adjustments: Windage and Elevation knobs (black with white numbers) ? moves reticle off center in sight tube. Rare sight versions may have silver knobs.
Accessories: Shock absorbing screw-on rubber eye-protection piece; Screw-on yellow Lens Filter (male threads on one side, female threads on other); Screw-on Lens Flash Hider (screws directly on to lens tube, or on to lens filter).
Case: Canvas carry case with belt loop, straps and leather trims; may include a Lenses Cleaning Kit (horse hair brush and piece of linen)
Variations of sight: Tube with side port and connection for reticle illumination device; Daytime only optic (rare?) without side port connection for reticle illumination.
Reticle Illuminator/Flashlight device: (pretty rare to find these days) Flashlight has RGB color filters. Sight reticle illumination requires special battery operated illuminator with cable attachment ? see the connector on side of the sight tube for bulb port. You can shine a small flashlight or bore light into the port on the side of the sight tube to see how the reticle lights up white in dark environments.
Mount: Clamp mount ? securely pinned to sight tube, fits all UK VZ.59 milspec receivers
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Hello,
This is what I just got for myself :D
(http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t380/brbm2/IMAG2069.jpg) (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/brbm2/media/IMAG2069.jpg.html)
Minus a couple of items that are meant for someone else.
The belt loaders were the hardest items to find. They are very rare.
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If anyone's looking, Apex has their UK59 parts kits on the new years sale for $399... Regularly $650.
https://apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/181/products_id/2280
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FYI, the link says 'Product not found".
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FYI, the link says 'Product not found".
Just clicked on it and it worked...
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Worked fine that time. :)
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Thanks for the heads up RSR - good price on that kit. If I needed more parts I would pick that up. My MCM UK59 receiver and a new heavy barrel I found are supposed to be fitted and on there way home from the shop. ;D
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New UK VZ.59 chrome-lined heavy barrel with new muzzle device fitted onto my UK59 by MARCOLMAR (MCM).
Finally got my new bolt assembly and heavy barrel back, both fitted for the UK vz.59. Now it is a semi "Rumble". Heavy has not yet been fired. I managed to break in the light barrel and get the gas setting operating at low after about 3000 rounds. How many strikers and springs will I destroy breaking in the heavy barrel gas valve? The barrel was snagged off Gunbroker and with the head-spacing and fit up to the receiver it came out just under $800 (not including the new muzzle attachment). The new bolt assembly with firing pin spring and retaining pin was about $100 total.
Here are pics from the history blog:
Heavy barrel with new muzzle attachment with vz59 mounted on tripod
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zJNX_1R3MEs/VMZqQAruDdI/AAAAAAAAEnM/xolbyGT9wpE/s1600/UK59%2Bheavy.jpg)
Side-by-side barrel comparisons (light vs. heavy)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FKfHI1W5JCI/VMZqU-tO7oI/AAAAAAAAEnU/MZhatPSBoL4/s1600/UK59%2Bheavy%2Band%2Blight%2Bside%2Bby%2Bside%2B1.JPG)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oieKcnJfAfY/VMZqZYYuhfI/AAAAAAAAEnc/PjnDas2bjOc/s1600/UK59%2Bheavy%2Band%2Blight%2Bside%2Bby%2Bside%2B2.JPG)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-inTirLHBZlI/VMZqd_DoNdI/AAAAAAAAEnk/HXZhCPHJu-g/s1600/UK59%2Bheavy%2Band%2Blight%2Bside%2Bby%2Bside%2B3.JPG)
Sorry, I don't know how to (or if it is possible to) resize the photos on this forum. Here is the link to the blog pictures resized. http://vz59.blogspot.com/2015/01/new-heavy-barrel-and-bolt-assembly.html (http://vz59.blogspot.com/2015/01/new-heavy-barrel-and-bolt-assembly.html)
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Took out a VZ.58 and big brother VZ.59 this weekend -- too bad there is not a belt fed or heavy barrel version of the vz.58 (like RPD/RPKs).
The new barrel on the vz.59 ran well, not so much the new bolt assembly. Just like the Vz.58 it looks like the bolt is married to the carrier, because it wont cycle with the semi-auto carrier. Getting the full auto carrier milled to run in the semi-auto conversion with the bolt may cost a bit. But I already paid for the bolt mods. sigh.
The neighbors friends were nice enough to call the Sheriffs department to let them know we were having a shooting event and enjoying ourselves in the sun. A relative of the neighbor who works at a trucking company about half a mile away claimed bullets were 1. zinging over his head, 2. passing over the state road a mile away, and 3. hitting his trucks. Three Sheriffs Deputies showed up: 1 bleeper and 2 great guys. They loved the UK VZ.59, and we examined the target area, the back stop and walked up the hill behind it, and it was evident that no rounds coming from my gun were leaving the property. A friend of mine 3 miles away said that he could hear us loud and clear, however as the Deputies unnecessarily confirmed, there is no noise regulation in that area of our county. (Don't like it move to the city.) So they said shoot on and enjoy!
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/CitizenPete/FFC8E2C3-7412-41DB-8802-6019A967807C_zpswbasc7nx.jpg)
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http://youtu.be/-wTmDTGqWVg
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700 yards Vz.59
http://youtu.be/tCFTVI9X1gg
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Dang , I can't see where your hits are landing... Can you indicate your target?
I just love that sound ...! ;D
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Dang , I can't see where your hits are landing... Can you indicate your target?
I just love that sound ...! ;D
Was hitting the wall, targeting in ... Look close, they are red tracers, very high on wall arcing in.
Target in center.
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Yes ! I saw finally the bullet drops but I had to set my laptop to full 720P resolution and full screen mode. :)
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Czechpoint is going to be offering UK Vz.59 Post Demo machine guns to Class 3 FFL Dealers with S.O.T.
No Semi-autos. :(
https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/uk-vz59-machine-gun?l=1
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Imagine your parts availability just went waaay up though... Sure crazy expensive though...
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Czechpoint-USA posted some videos of the UK. vz.59
http://vz59.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-csa-uk-vz59-imported-by-czechpoint.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CNWnZYUsLl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gr75ydiXlzA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c2cta4S-Emk
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Weaponsman posted an interesting piece on the 59: http://weaponsman.com/?p=33366
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For those who are Rich and Famous... you can get one today - only Price: $4,595.00
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-oversize-rifles/marcolmar-firearms-uk-vz-59-detail.html?Itemid=0 (http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-oversize-rifles/marcolmar-firearms-uk-vz-59-detail.html?Itemid=0)
(http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/ukvz59bf%20(4%20of%2021).jpg)
(http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/ukvz59bf%20(10%20of%2021).jpg)
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Got that price beat... $7900
UK59 Rachot Heavy Package with all accessories.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/CitizenPete/5DF58384-8DBB-4640-9C09-503B524B3E64_zpsfylibwww.jpg)
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Ahh the life of the Rich and Famous !!!
Nice effect with the heavy tripod, all business!!! ;)
Got that price beat... $7900
UK59 Rachot Heavy Package with all accessories.
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That's a Heavy barrel used in universal machine gun role.
Tripod, 250rnd belts and scope could be placed on light version as well, however tripod used for mobile emplacements not typically used for assault.
I can easily turn a light barrel white, it gets so hot. The heavy barrel is designed for sustained fire but too heavy in assault use on foot. The UK VZ.59 with light barrel was the squad "PKM" of the Czech military.
http://world.guns.ru/machine/chex/vz59-uk-vz59-e.html
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IF it's for sale, CP's setup is the better bargin insofar as rarity, completeness, and time are concerned...
IF 7.62x51 was still dirt cheap, I would be pinching pennies in an attempt to acquire either... Way more fun (and will actually hold value) than a new/upgraded car or similar you could do w/ the same $... Now convincing the mrs of a purchase of that sum over a vacation or other priorities would be a very tough sell...
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Send CitizenPete here on the forums a PM. I know he was looking to clear some of his vz59 stuff a year or so ago.
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Hey fellow CZ military gun nuts! Selling my UK59, and maybe we can do a CZ day at my local private range that I work at.
The UK-59 (vz.59) that I have posted about (see posts and pics in this thread) may be adopted. At the time of writing this post, there are ONLY two days left in a GB auction for this great weapon. ( https://www.gunbroker.com/item/901708859 (https://www.gunbroker.com/item/901708859) )
This is a very comprehensive and complete kit, not just a gun. Over the period of several years, I enjoyed sourcing and acquiring all the accessories and spare parts to assemble a complete kit around this military classic MG. I have somewhere between $10-15K invested in the kit.
If your a Cold WAR CZ military weapons fan, then please take a look at this package before its gone. I have a lot of pictures of the firearm and accessories, that I may post for entertainment (Gun Porn) and informational historic purposes.
This weapon is fun to shoot and maintain, and I would love to see it go to a good home where some responsible operator will completely strip and clean it in soapy water and oil it up, after shooting 600 rounds of milsurp through it at the range. That's how I treated it and I had a bleep ton of fun shooting it. I've taken it to machine gun shoots and more guys took pictures of this SEMI-auto UK59 than they did of the full-auto .50s and Russian PKMs on the firing line -- its really a badass looking belt-fed squad MG, esp. with the rare heavy barrel and the tripod.
If the GB reserve price is not yet met and if it doesn't sell, it will relist one additional time. After that, F it, I'm going to shoot it more. O0 I will post if that happens. Any of you CZ heads that live near NE Ohio, your invited to meet me at the range (SHC Training Facility, near Garrettsville OH (https://southingtonhuntclub.com/)) and shoot a couple crates of 54R with it. We'll have a CZ range day! If you need to travel a day to do this, spend the night -- there is a camping sites (with electric) and shower facility on the property. Just pay range fees and bring a VZ.58 and pistol with a few hundred round. The range has really cool terrain, lots of steel targets for pistol and rifle, and we can set up some static long range, and run-and-gun stages to shoot.
SHC Training Facility Location - Google map (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Southington+Hunt+Club&atb=v113-1&ia=web&iaxm=places)
We should do a CZ range day anyways! Who's within a day drive from Cleveland or Warren OH?
Anyone interested? ;D
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For anyone looking, this is a steal. CP was searching for these items for years before he got this full kit together.
And while he uses his guns, he take great care of them. So while used, these aren't abused.
$15k would be quite fair for what this, and if I had the budget, I'd spent it without hesitation.
Good luck CP on the sale. Am sure it's bittersweet.