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CZ LONG ARMS => VZ-58 semi auto rifle => Topic started by: eddieturbo2 on July 27, 2014, 09:06:51 PM
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I have some questions regarding the M4 folding stock from vz58rifle.com.
Does anyone on this forum have this stock or had the opportunity to use one? If so how did you like it?
Did you have any trouble having the stock shipped to the USA from vz58rifle.com?
I have attached the link to the item in question below.
http://www.vz58rifle.com/products/sklopny-pazbovy-modul-expert/
I would really appreciate some feedback on this stock before I place my order.
Thanks...
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No clue, but I like it.
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It is very cool looking wish I had more info on it.
Well I guess I am just going to have to take the plunge and order one. Whenever it comes in I will post up a review on it.
Hopefully it will come in quick.
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Man, 200 bucks. Wish the accessories weren't so expensive. Looks like a quality product tho.
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This one caught my eye
http://www.vz58rifle.com/products/folding-stock-ge-for-vz58/
Can anyone get these over here to the U.S?
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I can do a group buy for these for ~$150 delivered if there's an interest. About 1" longer than standard folder: http://www.vz58rifle.com/products/sklopna-pazba-255mm/
There's also a Czech made M4 type type that folds w/o the height adjustment that a group buy would also run ~$150 delivered on...
That said, it's pretty hard in my book to not run a Stormwerkz/Ace folder combo at those prices, but if there's an interest I'm happy to look into.
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I can do a group buy for these for ~$150 delivered if there's an interest. About 1" longer than standard folder: http://www.vz58rifle.com/products/sklopna-pazba-255mm/
There's also a Czech made M4 type type that folds w/o the height adjustment that a group buy would also run ~$150 delivered on...
That said, it's pretty hard in my book to not run a Stormwerkz/Ace folder combo at those prices, but if there's an interest I'm happy to look into.
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I can do a group buy for these for ~$150 delivered if there's an interest. About 1" longer than standard folder: http://www.vz58rifle.com/products/sklopna-pazba-255mm/
There's also a Czech made M4 type type that folds w/o the height adjustment that a group buy would also run ~$150 delivered on...
That said, it's pretty hard in my book to not run a Stormwerkz/Ace folder combo at those prices, but if there's an interest I'm happy to look into.
But for us 2008 guys, the Stormwerkz adapters wont work correct?
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Yes it will work on a vz2008
I have it installed on my rifle right now.
There are some minor fitting issues that are fixed
by using a round file to open up the hole of the adapter.
Because the Stormwerkz uses a different screw, there is an
added nut and that also needs to be filed because it hits the
back of the Cover so you can't push the retaining pin all the way in.
That might be a problem on all vz58s.
Which is why I made a post here about it and pointed out
it's not worth $50 and that they should have used the original
Czech screw or M12x1.0mm bolt to screw into the receiver.
That is MY opinion.
It still works and I don't regret buying it.
It was just annoying to me.
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Cheapo,
Yes its is a very expensive accessory. I am very interested in it but as of this point I have not had any contact from the VZ58rifle.com website. I did place an order but I have received no confirmation email or information for completion of the bank transfer of funds.
RSR,
Thank you for the offer. I would like to see some photos of that Czech made M4 folding stock. And I would be interested in a possible group buy.
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Not meaning to hijack the thread but what about the quad rail? 8)
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aw85,
That quad rail is supper nice but at $655 that is just way to much.
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I still have not received any email from VZ58rifle.com so I assume they do not want to sell anything at this time.
RSR, are you still going to try and do a group buy on the two different stocks that you offered?
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I was just mentioning that they are available.
The folding stock tube uses the same mechanism as the fixed folding stock. Looking again it'd probably be in the $175 range.
The folder is here: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=65105.msg439944#msg439944
And then a commercial diameter aluminum tube is available that attaches to that folding mount.
If there's an interest, I'm happy to start a group buy for it -- believe a minimum of 10 orders for these -- but this bipod group buy is pretty expensive on the front end so not proactively pursuing other group buys until that's over...
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Wow! ???
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RSR,
That looks like a nice part. One question though, if I wanted to use the commercial diameter tube that fits this part where would I have to source that part?
I just want to make sure that I can get the parts that I need.
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Tube would be provided. The only add'l part is whatever stock you'd want to run. With the AR15 stocks there is "commercial" and then "Milspec" diameter buffer tubes and that's what that is referencing.
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Oh that is great. Sounds like I am going to have to order a stock from you whenever a group buy gets to the numbers that you need.
I had one last question about the buffer tube and joint. When they are mounted are they parallel to the bore?
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Yes, they're straight or nearly so and sit slightly lower than the barrel but close to if not exactly parallel.
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Fantastic. Sign me up.
I would also still love to see a picture with the buffer tube attached to that joint.
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KingGun's site is down, but found these on the interwebs.
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag120/corwinarms/DSC_01642_zpscdf4b607.jpg)
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag120/corwinarms/DSC_01622_zps5660b205.jpg)
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag120/corwinarms/DSC_01642_zpscdf4b607.jpg)
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag120/corwinarms/DSC_00272_zps49e4237f.jpg)
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RSR That is perfect. Cant wait to have one. :)
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Hello all,
Just put the vz58rifle folding module stock on my gun
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/Breastman/Gun%20stuff/23B82873-539B-4163-A188-5057D7EF6024_zpsqlljvc6p.jpg) (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/Breastman/media/Gun%20stuff/23B82873-539B-4163-A188-5057D7EF6024_zpsqlljvc6p.jpg.html)
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/Breastman/Gun%20stuff/75C57CFC-18E4-4AA4-8D96-C6E56884EDEA_zpsxly4umqd.jpg) (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/Breastman/media/Gun%20stuff/75C57CFC-18E4-4AA4-8D96-C6E56884EDEA_zpsxly4umqd.jpg.html)
Its nice BUT, the fit isn't perfect, theres a slight wobble. Its down to the way it attachs to the gun. It has a double threaded bolt, one end screws into the stock and the other goes into the back of the recevier (its the same diameter as the original). I tightened it all the way into the stock then screwed the stock onto the gun. When screwed all the way in the last turn to get the stock the right way up is VERY tight, getting a small tab over the edge of the back of the receiver, which indexes into the rectangular hole on the back of the gun, but once seated it allows for a bit of play.
There is a hex/allen key hole on the bolt which is visible on the inside of the back of the receiver, but due to the design of my gun (i have a strange UK legal one), i can't get a hex key in there to give it a turn to see if it can be tightened. However i doubt it will help as any turn on the bolt will correspond to an unscrewing of the bolt into the stock!? I'll see if i can post some pics to explain what i mean.
I'd love to hear from anyone else who has one that has managed to get theirs fitted perfectly :)
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Pretty cool. I need me one of these!
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Heres a video showing the wobble where the tab on the stock allows a small amount of play with the notch in the back of the recevier;
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/Breastman/Gun%20stuff/th_4E5C56E2-4C3D-43F1-A449-BCB09F3AF808_zpsuifsdapw.mp4) (http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/Breastman/Gun%20stuff/4E5C56E2-4C3D-43F1-A449-BCB09F3AF808_zpsuifsdapw.mp4)
The notch that the tab fits into from the rear. Also note the plate inside the recevier that prevents access to the hex head on the bolt which attaches the stock to the gun;
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/Breastman/Gun%20stuff/3E99C1C9-9D59-4701-9C6E-4813A12D72FB_zps05353t61.jpg) (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/Breastman/media/Gun%20stuff/3E99C1C9-9D59-4701-9C6E-4813A12D72FB_zps05353t61.jpg.html)
From the inside (do 'normal' VZ58's have that plate at the back? If so, can it be removed to allow access?)
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/Breastman/Gun%20stuff/A9B64588-39B9-4BF4-BB14-399B099B15FB_zpstxqinrib.jpg) (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/Breastman/media/Gun%20stuff/A9B64588-39B9-4BF4-BB14-399B099B15FB_zpstxqinrib.jpg.html)
Double/dual thread bolt - note tab at top of stock plate;
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/Breastman/Gun%20stuff/F16DA37F-DF98-4ABC-996A-7FAD3E76A74E_zpszfzqkseu.jpg) (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/Breastman/media/Gun%20stuff/F16DA37F-DF98-4ABC-996A-7FAD3E76A74E_zpszfzqkseu.jpg.html)
Hex hole partial obscured by plate;
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/Breastman/Gun%20stuff/94D0A9BD-3124-4A1B-97EC-8A0A05D1850B_zpsfxbiz6xn.jpg) (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/Breastman/media/Gun%20stuff/94D0A9BD-3124-4A1B-97EC-8A0A05D1850B_zpsfxbiz6xn.jpg.html)
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Can you post just the link to that video? The embed doesn't seem to be working for me... It's just a 1"x2" box web frame box...
Looking at that screw -- it looks like you tighten the exterior portion down all or most of the way first (sounds like that's where you have the wobble). And then tighten down the exterior adapter to receiver screw. Tightening down that receiver screw last should pull that exterior portion tightly against the stock. Be sure to put locktite on both once you get them right -- you may need to adjust the outside portion by a little as I'm sure it's threads are less strong than the receiver portion (don't want to torque them too much, just enough for snug -- looks like it might be opposite directions as well so again a reason for locktite to avoid that unscrewing when your tightening down the receiver portion...).
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Thanks for the reply :D
Here's the direct link to the video that should hopefully work;
http://vid1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/Breastman/Gun%20stuff/4E5C56E2-4C3D-43F1-A449-BCB09F3AF808_zpsuifsdapw.mp4
Question; does your VZ58 have that plate shown in my 2nd & 4th photo over the trigger mech/pistol grip? If so do you know how to remove it as i need it out of the way to get access to the hex hole on the bolt.
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author=RSR link=topic=65623.msg444839#msg444839 date=1406609332]
I can do a group buy for these for ~$150 delivered if there's an interest. About 1" longer than standard folder: http://www.vz58rifle.com/products/sklopna-pazba-255mm/
There's also a Czech made M4 type type that folds w/o the height adjustment that a group buy would also run ~$150 delivered on...
That said, it's pretty hard in my book to not run a Stormwerkz/Ace folder combo at those prices, but if there's an interest I'm happy to look into.
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No, haven't seen a plate like that before...
I think you still need to tighten that stock nut further.
Is that plate welded in there? It looks to be installed to prevent it from being easily converted to full auto.
If the plate isn't welded then most likely something is holding it in.
First guess would be the safety (it'd be relatively easy to reinstall if it isn't the part holding). More likely would be the sear, but it'd be harder to reinstall...
Personally, I'd lean towards removing that screw. Getting a dremel/rotary tool and grinding or cutting out some of the rear of that shelf...
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No, haven't seen a plate like that before...
I think you still need to tighten that stock nut further.
Is that plate welded in there? It looks to be installed to prevent it from being easily converted to full auto.
If the plate isn't welded then most likely something is holding it in.
First guess would be the safety (it'd be relatively easy to reinstall if it isn't the part holding). More likely would be the sear, but it'd be harder to reinstall...
Personally, I'd lean towards removing that screw. Getting a dremel/rotary tool and grinding or cutting out some of the rear of that shelf...
In order for the UK version to be legal (we can't have full-bore semi-autos here :-\) it has to have an interupted cycle, so with this gun you pull the trigger, the gun fires, bolt opens, ejects the case and then locks open. To close the bolt and load the next round you have to pull the trigger again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKooU6WYzZU
Presumably the plate covers the trigger mech to stop you messing around with it. I'm going to go back to the manufacturer and if i get no joy there i think i'm going to first try to cut an allen/hex key so that it could fit, and if that doesn't work, i'll be getting the Dremel out! O0
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In order for the UK version to be legal (we can't have full-bore semi-autos here :-\) it has to have an interupted cycle, so with this gun you pull the trigger, the gun fires, bolt opens, ejects the case and then locks open. To close the bolt and load the next round you have to pull the trigger again.
Ah, that explains it. They've basically engineered your rifle to always manifest the "gremlin" where the striker doesn't get caught by the sear. Curious how it catches when you charge though...
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Black magic as far as i'm concerned! O0 ;D
Managed to sort the problem out in the end by just grinding off the top 30% of an old 6mm allen key which gave enough clearance with the plate. Stock is rock solid now 8)
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/Breastman/Gun%20stuff/2485E6F3-0951-4B8F-B756-FE178FDCD62F_zpsreqt0rrh.jpg) (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/Breastman/media/Gun%20stuff/2485E6F3-0951-4B8F-B756-FE178FDCD62F_zpsreqt0rrh.jpg.html)
(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/Breastman/Gun%20stuff/8BE88F40-5212-44A1-A4A9-9BA8D1012AD6_zpsue2yps6w.jpg) (http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/Breastman/media/Gun%20stuff/8BE88F40-5212-44A1-A4A9-9BA8D1012AD6_zpsue2yps6w.jpg.html)