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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ Scorpion EVO => Topic started by: mikec on January 18, 2015, 02:26:12 AM
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Looking at CZ-USA web shop, they list in the Scorpion EVO section spare mags in 10 round, 20 round and 30 round capacity (not available yet, but you can leave your email to be notified). 30 rounders are only $20.
Adjustable non-illuminated sight set ("gunsmith install recommended", booo).
Double mag nylon pouches, I am sure they fit 20 rounders, not sure about 30 rounders. Mag pouches are only 5.99 each, picture posted is relatively poor, stiching looks uneven. I think these are made by a third party in Czech Republic. I hope they are not low quality cheezy pouches. I will buy a couple and report.
EVO sling is 9.99, also cheap in comparison to other tactical slings on the market. One or two point attachment. It probably attaches at one point to the grenade-like ring on the left side of the receiver. I might replace that ring with something less odd looking, unless designers are smarter than me and it works really well. Would like to see other people's solutions.
Adaptor for the Sig Brace, made by a third party. Wonder how many people will buy that now that ATF forbids shoulder mounting of the brace. Having the brace attached/Velcroed around the forearm and pistol rigidly attached on the other end seems bizzare, unless you are an invalid or a RoboCop. But if you buy and use it, please report. I hope that they are able to import the original stock for SBRs, which looks great.
Someone here bought the Meopta red dot sight. Would like to hear opinions about this sight, Aimpoint and others.
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I like this red dot. It is more heavy duty, "military grade" as compare to Burris Fastfire for example. The QD is nice. Plus, it made in CR.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img904/1430/n8lCUd.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7122/5aB44f.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/5461/5v5Kka.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img673/8840/snwU58.jpg)
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Much more controllable with AFG. :D
(http://imageshack.com/a/img913/3399/BrYQcs.jpg)
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I need to get another AFG, gave my last one away when it looked like I wasn't going to use it for anything...Very nice setup, sir! So...how does she shoot?
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I need to get another AFG, gave my last one away when it looked like I wasn't going to use it for anything...Very nice setup, sir! So...how does she shoot?
I shot about 70 rounds yesterday (without AFG).
I think AFG will help stabilize it a lot.
The trigger is little heavy for my taste but it 's OK. I will keep her. :-)
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The AFG is nice but the PTK is even better. I have on all of my rifles. It gives me much more control. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/18/424c344be87156d62975ced2adb93f76.jpg)
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Might have to take off the existing hand stop to fit that puppy on there.
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I like this red dot. It is more heavy duty, "military grade" as compare to Burris Fastfire for example. The QD is nice. Plus, it made in CR.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img904/1430/n8lCUd.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7122/5aB44f.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/5461/5v5Kka.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img673/8840/snwU58.jpg)
How do you like the Meopta? I have been wanting to get a mini red dot for my Scorpion, but Trijicon is offering a military discount on their RMRs that make it too good to resist. Later this year I may purchase a Meopta for my Tavor if there's more favorable reviews out there.
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There was a lot of criticism w/in the Czech armed forces regarding the meopta sights on the Bren. Basically, less durable and much heavier than aimpoint, eotech, etc, US Military optics.
With red dots and the 9mm round, I'd go with whatever keeps it lightest, so that's Aimpoint micro on the high end and Bushnell or Primary Arms on the low end (primary arms latest generation stuff is actually mid range and they continue to improve in quality and technology but also have increased a little in price)...
I'd think you'd also be pretty close to a lower one-third cowitness with irons to with the micro red dots.
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How do you like the Meopta? I have been wanting to get a mini red dot for my Scorpion, but Trijicon is offering a military discount on their RMRs that make it too good to resist. Later this year I may purchase a Meopta for my Tavor if there's more favorable reviews out there.
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I like it especially I paid less than $260 for it.
But at full price, I don't know.
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The AFG is nice but the PTK is even better. I have on all of my rifles. It gives me much more control. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/18/424c344be87156d62975ced2adb93f76.jpg)
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Along with the thumb stop - have on numerous weapon.
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Double mag nylon pouches, I am sure they fit 20 rounders, not sure about 30 rounders. Mag pouches are only 5.99 each, picture posted is relatively poor, stiching looks uneven. I think these are made by a third party in Czech Republic. I hope they are not low quality cheezy pouches. I will buy a couple and report.
I got a mag pouch together with my EVO. They're good for "admin" storage of your mags. They will fit two 20rd mags, they will not fit a 30rd mag. Closure is via velcro & a press stud. Stitching is relative to the cost of them.
I'm definitely NOT going to use them in competition. For that, there's better options, but of course these options require more $$$.
But that's just my 2 eurocents, YMMV.
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I tried the EVO with what I think was the Pistol Builders Kit, the buffer tube accessory that gives a cheek rest and battery storage. I would love to get it for an EVO when I get one. It felt good and seemed to give some balance. Now if the buffer tube could be opened for more storage....
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"They're good for "admin" storage of your mags."
I was afraid of that. If you find a mag pouch that fits 30 rounders and is also a quality pouch, Shooting Systems comes to mind, please let us know.
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"They're good for "admin" storage of your mags."
I was afraid of that. If you find a mag pouch that fits 30 rounders and is also a quality pouch, Shooting Systems comes to mind, please let us know.
I want a few of these. I do not work for TT or am I endorsed/sponsored/whatever by them. They are just a company that is 50 miles from my place and I have a bit of their gear, specifically the magna pistol pouches. They are really good pistol pouches when you need retention of mags; with and without the top flap.
http://www.tacticaltailor.com/p90mp5stickmagdoublemagpouch.aspx
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The AFG is nice but the PTK is even better. I have on all of my rifles. It gives me much more control. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/18/424c344be87156d62975ced2adb93f76.jpg)
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Along with the thumb stop - have on numerous weapon.
Never tried the PTK, but CP you might just convince me, haha. The gas pedal is expensive but quality. And the pts gaspedals aren't bad either, though I wouldn't recommend on the VZ58 just due to the heat they'd be exposed to (though they can probably take it...). And when you combine the AFG and aluminum gas pedal, you're talking a $100 ergo enhancement... PTS Gaspedal and AFG, you're looking at ~$50-60...
Point being, the thumb rests are pretty great IMO... Giving you much of the benefits of the infamous C grip, but in a fashion in which your thumb is oriented down range at target... Presumably helping with sight alignment and ensure your forearm is less intrusive into your sight picture as your arm/hand ends up slightly lower... Especially with platforms like the VZ58 where there's a low sight/optic alignment... (ARs sights sit much higher...) With the EVO it probably isn't essential since you can c clamp w/ beveled top forend w/o getting into sight picture, but thumb rests on this platform would allow for more consistent ergos across weapon systems if you run a thumb rest setup elsewhere...
Does anyone know if FAB/the PTK has an ATF letter stating that its pistol kosher? I believe the AFG has one stating specifically as much...
Somewhere on the interwebs, I also saw a dude advocating running his AFG backwards making the angle more vertical... Not sure of NFA considerations doing that, but he just preferred that setup on his rifle. But this would probably give you the most vertical grip option without having to NFA your weapon, provided reversing direction doesn't constitute remaking, etc... Who knows with the sig brace decision though...
Found it:
http://youtu.be/oLhJ7dPtpUE
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[quote name="CitizenPete" post=481135 timestamp=1422029834]<br />[quote name="pokemon1989" post=480038 timestamp=1421636877]<br />Somewhere on the interwebs, I also saw a dude advocating running his AFG backwards making the angle more vertical... <br /><br
One of our LVR competitors also runs his AFG2 backwards on his EVO. I got to try out on a few stages and have to admit that it felt quite comfortable.
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The Fab PTK with thumb stop combo works on my VZ.58/AKM/even SIG 556R, but I don't know if they are appropriate for me on EVO 3 until I try it. Need to find an EVO 3 first :-\
I do have the Magpul as well, but for me personally, the FAB PTK is much more ergonomic, like a natural extension of the arm/hand pointing out at the target.
One question I have about the standard stop on the EVO, -- please know that I have not held one yet -- it looks like you could use the stop in between your thumb and index fingers an still potentially put the tip of your index over the front of the barrel? Just enough to blow the finger tip off?
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Any word on when the adapters will be available?
CZ said by the end of the month and we are at the end of the month.
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The Fab PTK with thumb stop combo works on my VZ.58/AKM/even SIG 556R, but I don't know if they are appropriate for me on EVO 3 until I try it. Need to find an EVO 3 first :-\
I do have the Magpul as well, but for me personally, the FAB PTK is much more ergonomic, like a natural extension of the arm/hand pointing out at the target.
One question I have about the standard stop on the EVO, -- please know that I have not held one yet -- it looks like you could use the stop in between your thumb and index fingers an still potentially put the tip of your index over the front of the barrel? Just enough to blow the finger tip off?
Yeah don't do that. It's a stop, not a grip... unless you move it further back towards the magazine then maybe. But I'm unsure if the front of the stop is open which would allow this. I'll find out when I pick mine up in a few days. ;)
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The Fab PTK with thumb stop combo works on my VZ.58/AKM/even SIG 556R, but I don't know if they are appropriate for me on EVO 3 until I try it. Need to find an EVO 3 first :-\
I do have the Magpul as well, but for me personally, the FAB PTK is much more ergonomic, like a natural extension of the arm/hand pointing out at the target.
One question I have about the standard stop on the EVO, -- please know that I have not held one yet -- it looks like you could use the stop in between your thumb and index fingers an still potentially put the tip of your index over the front of the barrel? Just enough to blow the finger tip off?
Yeah don't do that. It's a stop, not a grip... unless you move it further back towards the magazine then maybe. But I'm unsure if the front of the stop is open which would allow this. I'll find out when I pick mine up in a few days. ;)
The front of the grip stop is open, and you can place it anywhere on any pic rail you care to. At least the ones on mine are.
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Good to know!
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Some of the setups I've seen overhere are thumb stop to the side rail and VFG or AFG on bottom rail and than use some sort of C-clamp type hold.
Since a picture says more than a 1000 words, here's a vid from one of our top LVR competitors in the open division (check out the thumb stop on the leftside of his EVO)
http://youtu.be/BNu9Kb3M-9E
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"They're good for "admin" storage of your mags."
I was afraid of that. If you find a mag pouch that fits 30 rounders and is also a quality pouch, Shooting Systems comes to mind, please let us know.
I'm considering getting HSGI pistol mag tacos, or MP5 pouches from one of the other manufacturers
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The last word I had on the AR buffer tube adapter kits was "soon". I do know the 30 round magazines are inbound very soon.
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The last word I had on the AR buffer tube adapter kits was "soon".
*That'd be an easy 922r option too, depending upon the tube you mount and which stock you put on it.
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The buffer tube isn't a "stock", though. Parts list for "ten or less" game is as follows;
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates
We're gonna need some serious domestic manufacturing...and perhaps someone to start making local magazines, as that takes care of three parts right there.
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The buffer tube isn't a "stock", though.
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We're gonna need some serious domestic manufacturing...and perhaps someone to start making local magazines, as that takes care of three parts right there.
Yep, the stock you put on the AR tube is though -- and there are a lot of US stock options that connect to ar buffer tubes/tube connectors. That was my point.
I'd love to see a steel reinforced version of the Evo mags... Like a Lancer AR mag for the EVOs.
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As far as the AR buffer tube goes, what will hold the stock in the vertical position? The AR has the receiver extension plate to keep it true with the receiver, but I didn't see anything like that when I saw video of the pistol extension thingie.
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When you install the end plate on the AR, it helps with the alignment, but it spins with the stock as you're screwing it on and still allows some movement as you're tightening that castle nut down... That's why primary weapons offers their $100+ buffer tubes that clamp on... Don't think those would work here though... http://primaryweapons.com/accessories/buffertubes/
(I actually prefer the POF tube, though it's n/a for the EVO... http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/buffer-tube-parts/buffer-tubes/ar-15-m16-anti-tilt-buffer-tube-prod64568.aspx )
So I don't really see how this would be different. Regardless, you'd just want to ensure it's properly aligned before and as you you tighten the castle nut down. I think AR torque specs is around 40 ft lbs if I recall correctly. And then stake castle nuts too...
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Anyone know if the adjustable LPA sights come with 4 apertures as well?
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When you install the end plate on the AR, it helps with the alignment, but it spins with the stock as you're screwing it on and still allows some movement as you're tightening that castle nut down... That's why primary weapons offers their $100+ buffer tubes that clamp on... Don't think those would work here though... http://primaryweapons.com/accessories/buffertubes/
(I actually prefer the POF tube, though it's n/a for the EVO... http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/buffer-tube-parts/buffer-tubes/ar-15-m16-anti-tilt-buffer-tube-prod64568.aspx )
So I don't really see how this would be different. Regardless, you'd just want to ensure it's properly aligned before and as you you tighten the castle nut down. I think AR torque specs is around 40 ft lbs if I recall correctly. And then stake castle nuts too...
That's not what I am talking about. I have built a lot of AR's, and the pistol buffer tube end plate doesn't have anywhere to mate up to. Look at 7:45 and beyond in this video. It is just a flange for the threads and no end plate mating surface. Unless the threads are pre matched for ending right as the receiver extension is true, then the stock will be slightly to the side when tightened.
CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 Pistol Review (HD): http://youtu.be/dXir_jeNkU4
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It looks like the pistol tube they use might be proprietary. And usually there's no correct up or down... And it looks like that wider part serves as the castle nut...
On a rifle AR tube, you'd put on the castle nut, screw in as far as possible while allowing the bottom to face directly down and tighten the castle nut... On ARs w/o the buffer tube retaining pin or if you push it down, you can screw that in too until you run out of threads... You would control alignment through the castle nut, not a thread synchronization...
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Nice video, sir...wish I had one so I could do a video too. :) That thing just looks like so much fun to play with!
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It looks like the pistol tube they use might be proprietary. And usually there's no correct up or down... And it looks like that wider part serves as the castle nut...
On a rifle AR tube, you'd put on the castle nut, screw in as far as possible while allowing the bottom to face directly down and tighten the castle nut... On ARs w/o the buffer tube retaining pin or if you push it down, you can screw that in too until you run out of threads... You would control alignment through the castle nut, not a thread synchronization...
That is not how the AR receiver extension works. You thread the tube into the receiver until the buffer detent is captured by the tube and then use the receiver end plate to keep the receiver extension aligned with the receiver through the channeled groove in the threads. That is the part that the sig arm brace adaptor doesn't have. The castle nut just engages in this order: receiver/receiver extension/receiver end plate/castle nut. The receiver end plate is important when tightening the receiver extension down and for alignment purposes.
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Neither the end plate nor the buffer detent keeps it perfectly square/vertical. The buffer retainer just tells you the maximum you can screw in, but there is variance in threading so it's an interplay between the retaining plate and buffer retainer.
The only way to keep it perfectly square is w/ your castle nut install... It's probably what, a 1/4" to 1/3" groove you're referencing on the AR tube and the end plate prong that inserts into that doesn't take up the whole channel, which means a minimum 1/8" out of perfect if you just rely on the end plate to be close enough... That's why the longer range AR guys pay 10x more than the a standard buffer tube is worth for the PWS ones that allow for a more perfect and easier vertical.
Point is, I align my buffer tubes in perfect horizontal when torquing the castle nut and consider the end plate to just be a ballpark. So the EVO AR tube adapter for me is a non-issue. YMMV.
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Anyone know if the adjustable LPA sights come with 4 apertures as well?<br/>
Negative, only 1 aperture
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Anyone know if the adjustable LPA sights come with 4 apertures as well?<br/>
Negative, only 1 aperture
Thank you for the info Charlie! I may just put some white paint/nail polish on the front peg then. :)
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Trajectory for Sub2k -- Evo should be close. 9mm is pretty flat to 100 yards:
(http://mouseguns.com/sub2000/ballist.gif)
EDIT: Should note Sub2k is 16" barrel vs Evo's 8".
According to ballistics by the inch you're looking at an ~75 fps difference -- or 8" has ~95% of the velocity of 16": http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html
Using ballisticsbytheinch's 8" barrell velocity #s and otherwise using gundata's preloaded cartridge ballistic info (just picked two that were in both), here's the trajectory chart for 2 115gr options:
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2jfc6k3.jpg)
And here's the Ballistic chart -- and I did these at a 100 yard zero:
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/xlkpzk.jpg)
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Great chart! The buffer tube adapter and 30 round magazines are for sale now at the website.
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Yep, and MUCH faster than we thought they would be.
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Thank you for the info Charlie! I may just put some white paint/nail polish on the front peg then. :)
No need for that, the (euro) LPA frontsight already has a white dot
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Thank you for the info Charlie! I may just put some white paint/nail polish on the front peg then. :)
No need for that, the (euro) LPA frontsight already has a white dot
Oh, I was talking about the stock sight. My bad! :)
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Great chart! The buffer tube adapter and 30 round magazines are for sale now at the website.
Can you lease post a link? I search the store and site, but I am somehow missing it.
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http://shop.cz-usa.com/cz-products/scorpion-evo-3-s1-pistol
It appears they may have actually sold OUT of the 30 rounders, as in 300 magazines sold in less than 10 hours! Wowza.
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Not that much. I like a dozen mags for each gun, and even at 5 mags per gun, 300 mags only serves 60 orders...
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For something that is a daily use gun, yes, have well north of a dozen mags for my SA vz-58. For a fun toy? Not so much. If it comes something I'll use more and more often, heck yes. Most I'll probably do is jungle clip the 30s together for a bedside gun - wearing PJs doesn't give you many pockets or belts for gear you can't sleep with anyway, so you gotta "run with what you brung." 60 rounds of 9mm is a lot of "brung". 8) But eventually, I'll probably end up with ten or so magazines, just for the heck of it, especially if anyone ever makes a beta drum for it - THAT I would go down and sell blood plasma for. :D
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Well, even for "fun guns" it's worth having extras IMO. These are plastic so will eventually break. And since we never know what ridiculous laws might be passed, I have an aim for a minimum of 6 "hi-cap" (actually standard capacity for those of us who aren't of the anti-gun paranoid alarmist thought police tell make believe stories long enough you might just get others to believe you fairy tales set) pistol magazines per pistol and 12 magazines per rifle w/ 10 to do being ideal on pistols and 20 on rifles... Yes, it's expensive and maybe excessive, but I also equip/meet minimum mags goals before building a spare/repair part set for new guns and then once the spares are met then begin fill out the rest of the mags...
Worst case, you get desperate for cash and have to sell them during normal times for what you paid or ban times for a hefty profit... Best case, you have magazines to run your weapons for life and don't have to worry about politicians or market panics...
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Been there, done that, worked at a gun shop right after the '94 AWB was passed, won't forget that garbage! The wonder-fun of unscrupulous dealers who would open up NIB pistols with two magsm and sell it with one, and the other mag on the shelf for three-five times the original price. Yep, the era of $19.99 EVO 30 round mags might not last long. Hopefully the magazines will, as shown overseas, apparently they are tougher than they look. Maybe next time I'll get a couple more.
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"These are plastic so will eventually break."
Actually, I have some 20+ year old Steyr AUG and SIG 550/551 mags that show no wear whatsoever, and I have put tens of thousands of rounds through one of my AUGs. There are plastics and there are plastics.
Whatever plastics Steyr and SIG are using seem to be indestructible. Hopefully Evo mags are in the same category.
I have dozen of 30 rounders coming by FedEx next Tuesday. BTW, you can never have too many mags.
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The 20 rounders are pretty darn sturdy. I'd actually be more concerned with the longevity of the metal mags for my CZ pistols.