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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ 2075 RAMI CLUB => Topic started by: mordakyblu on July 28, 2015, 09:32:31 PM
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I'm thinking about adding a RAMI to my CZ collection. I have a CZ 75 BD Police and a PCR. I'm not a fan of the thumb safety. But the being DA pistol, I'm not sure that the difference is that great, if you are willing to lower the hammer on a loaded camber. I understand that there is a half cock position too.
So,am I correct that you would have to lower the hammer manually down to half cock or the down position?
Thanks
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Correct. If you don't want to carry cocked and locked, you'll have to manually lower the hammer.
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I'm thinking about adding a RAMI to my CZ collection. I have a CZ 75 BD Police and a PCR. I'm not a fan of the thumb safety. But the being DA pistol, I'm not sure that the difference is that great, if you are willing to lower the hammer on a loaded camber. I understand that there is a half cock position too.
So,am I correct that you would have to lower the hammer manually down to half cock or the down position?
Thanks
Yes, you are correct, if you get a RAMI with a safety.
If you get the RAMI BD (decocker), it will be the same as your 75BD and PCR.
If I already had those two, I would be looking for a RAMI BD as it would function the same and have less chance at confusion.
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Lots of people manually lower the hammer on their 1911's. I advise being real careful
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...... So,am I correct that you would have to lower the hammer manually down to half cock or the down position?
Thanks
Mord .... You are indeed correct in your assumption. Personally I've always carried mine cocked and locked (as I do my 1911 micro-compact), and although many feel comfortable lowering the hammer on a live round, I've never been one of them as it only takes one "slip of the thumb" to ruin your day. YMMV. Good luck with your decision.
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Lots of people manually lower the hammer on their 1911's. I advise being real careful
Why would you ever want to lower a 1911 hammer manually on a live round? :o Even if you feel comfortable with the potential risk in doing so, it's impractical to carry a 1911 condition 2.
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I carry my 1911 loaded hammer down and my CZ Rami. I place my thumb in between the hammer and firing pin I then either lower the hammer manually or press the trigger so the hammer goes down slowly. I find it safer. Practice this, its easy if you carry uncocked and loaded.
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I carry my 1911 style pistols cocked and locked (the way they were designed to be carried). Why lower the hammer on an SA pistol for carry? In a stressful situation one would have to cock the gun before firing, which is another unnecessary step. With the RAMI BD I decock so the hammer is at half-cock, and first shot double action, subsequent shots SA. Lowering the hammer on a live round can be done, but personally I never feel comfortable doing that. What can go wrong will go wrong and potentially ruin your day.
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I have a 92G deckocker, and the PCR. I prefer the decocker mode. I carried a 1911 about 1 year, until I pulled it out of the holster one night and found I had somehow gotten against something that day and bumped the safety off. The thought of how long was I carrying it that day fully cocked with the safety off was enough to get me to park it in the dresser drawer. I went back t the Beretta until I got the PCR. I bought my wife the Rami 2075D for that very reason. I felt that her carry in decock mode was safer than cocked and locked. Only an intentional trigger pull can make it go bang. And in a high stress situation, its point and pull. I know a lot of LEO' who also carry CZ 75 decocker models. The rami "D" version is a very nice little shooter. And the trigger pull from 1/2 cock is pretty nice also.
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So am I correct that the prober way to carry the safety version of the Rami is on the half cocked mode like the decocker version? I feel comfortable lowering the hammer to the half cocked position but way less comfortable lower the hammer all the way down.
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So am I correct that the prober way to carry the safety version of the Rami is on the half cocked mode like the decocker version? I feel comfortable lowering the hammer to the half cocked position but way less comfortable lower the hammer all the way down.
Not really "correct", but one option, yes.
Whether your carry it a half-cocked (like the decocker) or cocked and locked (hammer back, safety on) is your preference.
Both work, just depends on how you want to carry.
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I prefer double action first shot. Most of my shooting the last few years has been with Sigs and CZs using double action. I just don't care for lower the hammer all the way down on the CZs.
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If you ever plan to run the gun is a class that requires hot reholstering, double action first shot fans are going to need a decocker....
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When you are de-cocking a pistol with a firing pin block you can remove your finger from the trigger once the hammer has begun to move. This is a little extra insurance against an accidental discharge. Test it at the range the next time. Once the hammer starts to move take your finger off of the trigger and let go of the hammer. If your firing pin block is working the gun will not fire.
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If you ever plan to run the gun is a class that requires hot reholstering, double action first shot fans are going to need a decocker....
Jeff, in what competition is reholstering with either a handgun with a safety or a decocker required?
Are double action revolvers are illegal also?
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If you ever plan to run the gun is a class that requires hot reholstering, double action first shot fans are going to need a decocker....
Jeff, in what competition is reholstering with either a handgun with a safety or a decocker required?
Are double action revolvers are illegal also?
Only in 3Gun Nation is hot reholstering allowed as far as i know. Even in 3GN it is never required. Double action is allowed in all shooting sports I know of.
What I was referring to is self defense oriented classes that you might take from a myriad of instructors like Mike Seeklander, Tom Givens, Larry Vickers, Rob Pincus,etc....
in a two day class with these guys you will fire well over 1000 rounds snd reholster hot 100 times or more. You can't lower the hammer without a decker in a class like that. They just won't let you.
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As far as a safety decocker goes I think you can modify the cz p07 to have a decocker instead of the safety but not both. I am not sure why they just did not make it do both like the taurus 92 series.
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A 1911 is not the same as the CZ Rami! It is single action only while,the Rami is DA/SA ! Not even similar. Anybody ever read of a gun going off after pressing the decocker ? I have and it scares me just as much as it scare me when a gun goes off manually decocking it!
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I cant say that Ive ever heard or read about a decocker going off. With a firing pin block, its impossible. Where is this information at? What was the gun?
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Nope. I've never heard of that. I'd like to read that article myself[emoji6]
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A bit late, but nothing is impossible in this world! I can not remember specifics ,but you don't have to believe if you think it's impossible for this to happen ! I always believe safety safety should work whether gun is in cocked or uncocked position like some! Anyway, both work for me!
Please check and goggle for accidents regarding guns firing when decccked! Advice: always point pistol ground or away when decocking unless you are so convinced it's 100% safe and point to your head!lol!
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Advice: always point pistol ground or away when decocking unless you are so convinced it's 100% safe and point to your head!lol!
The people that use that UNLESS wind up having accidents ! Try NEVER pointing the gun at your head , no matter what seemed to be a good idea at the time.
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Advice: always point pistol ground or away when decocking unless you are so convinced it's 100% safe and point to your head!lol!
The people that use that UNLESS wind up having accidents ! Try NEVER pointing the gun at your head , no matter what seemed to be a good idea at the time.
I agree! I understand the point, but very poor wording. It's nothing to joke about.
All I said was I have not heard of a pistol going off using the decocker. And wanted an article to read about it. The last thing I'm gonna do is point it at my head to make a point!
My Google fu may not be strong, but I couldn't find a single post, article, news report, etc. where a modern pistol went off using the decocker as directed.
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I once ran a call on an elderly gentleman lowering the hammer on a live round and shooting himself in the leg. He stated he was going to clean his 45.
I like decocker so on my pistols.
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I have the safety version, I don't have any decocker only equipped pistols. Nothing bad to say about them, I just haven't had a desire to own one. I have always held the hammer securely, ease it down while releasing the trigger until it rests on the safety hook/half cock position. The one thing I know is if it is built by a human it has the potential to fail safety version or decocker. If your gun is worked on by a retard the potential to fail increases dramatically especially if they stone the sear and hammer hooks.
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Sorry, did not mean to be offensive. My googling did turn up some incidents ones told firing when decccked! Still, I don't mean this to be big deaL just be careful when decocking or else there would no warning on how to decock !
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That right there is great advice. Thanks for turning that around dannyvi. I agree that nothing is impossible, improbable maybe, but not impossible. And always practice safe handling of firearms.
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Thanks for understanding. I do have Sigs, HKs and a couple of other brands with decockers just to say I am not against them! I also owned, a CZ P-01 and 07 with decockers and loved them just prefer my safety Rami ! Frankly, I get nervous when I decock any of them specially at home after cleaning. For some reason I end up manually decocking them! Just my mechanical engineering side thinking something might slip or misalign or had broken inside that's supposed to hold the hammer! I know it's being silly, but that's me!
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Greetings all. I'm a new forum member (just joined). Got myself a CZ75B and a 2075B for Christmas! Love them!
While I initially wanted to get a BD myself, I got tired of waiting and got the model with a manual safety. In retrospect, I actually prefer it.
Anyway, in regards to safely decocking, I trained myself the two hand method. Hold your gun in the right hand (duh). Cover the firing ping with your left thumb. Hold the hammer with your right thumb. Now, quickly toggle the trigger. By that I mean, pull it so the hammer releases and immediately let go, moving index finger back on the side of the frame. Now that the hammer is free, and your finger is off the trigger again, you can either a) remove your left thumb and lower the hammer with right thumb into the decock position, or b) lower the hammer onto your left thumb, then remove your left thumb. (the former would be preferred).
Since you have the firing pin covered with your left thumb during the trigger pull, which is the only time the firing pin block is disengaged, there should be zero chance of an accidental discharge. In essence, your left thumb acts as a firing pin block during that brief moment the internal firing block is removed when the trigger is all the way back. I find this method very safe. Just make sure you train yourself to perform these three steps with deliberately. Thumb over FP, trigger pull AND release, thumb removal.
If you are ever in a situation where you only have one hand available, simply engage the safety, and once you have your left hand available again, then decock.
Hope everyone had a great Christmas!
Cheers,
Frank
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I've used both manual safety and decocker versions of CZs.
For competition, I prefer manual safety to ensure a consistent trigger pull shot-to-shot. For carry, I prefer the security of a DA pull obtained by decocking to DA. In general, I like having the option of either using a manual safety or decocking the hammer. The advantage of the P07/P09 series is that you can easily swap out safety or decocker to suit your preference.
I agree that a 2-handed approach to manually decocking is safest i.e. controlling the hammer with the support hand, pressing and releasing the trigger as soon the hammer begins to move, and gently resting the hammer on the safety stop, all while ensuring the pistol is pointed in a safe direction. It certainly doesn't hurt to place a finger over the FP as described earlier.
As far as 1911s go, CZs are built differently. Some models of 1911 do not have a firing pin block (i.e. Series 70) and therefore there is nothing preventing the hammer from striking the firing pin. This puts the user at great risk for a ND if they choose to lower the hammer on a live round. CZ "B" models have a firing pin block which prevent the hammer from striking the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled. That being said, on a single action-only pistol, I don't see the point of decocking - I would think that under stress it would be a lot more difficult to remember to cock a hammer and ensure all safeties (i.e. grip/frame) are disengaged than to simply disengage a manual safety. Just my 2 cents.
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I cannot understand the need for a decocker personally. Maybe because I have been shooting for decades, but it is very very simple/easy to me to lower the hammer myself.