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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ Scorpion EVO => Topic started by: Gear Head on November 12, 2015, 04:10:20 AM
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I am getting closer to my pistol grip design and need to decide if I want to offer it with a swing open trap storage door or not. It would require substantial additional mold costs though so I do not want to invest in it if the market (you guys) don't care for it. If it would not serve a purpose for you, I do not see a need for increasing the cost of the part. But since there isn't any other storage areas on the Scorpion, would you be willing to buy a more expensive grip to gain one?
For me personally, I have different guns that have storage and many that don't. So I am rather neutral. So I decided to ask everyone here instead.
Let me predict some questions and answer them to save time.
I do not have pricing. It will be competitively priced for a niche market grip though.
I do not have an ETA. I'm working as fast as I can. It has been in development for several months now.
Yes this is for injection molding.
More details will come when they're ready. Emailing me wanting to know more just slows down the process overall because I answer my emails and there won't be anything new to learn than what gets publicly posted.
So please let me know what you think.
-Paul
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Great idea - more storage for batteries or cleaning gear in places that are essentially wasted space is a GOOD idea. Wondered since I got my Scorpion why the grip was all wasted space.
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typo edit
Absolutely essential on at least one pistol or foregrip for each rifle, as far as I'm concerned, for storage of spare ear plugs, a copy of the Form 1, optic/light batteries, etc.. I store those in the foregrip on my scorpion and do not necessarily need storage capacity in the pistol grip, however.
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Is this still in development?
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Yes, I'm always looking for a good stash place! 8)
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The molds are being made and tweaked. There has been test parts molded but they aren't perfect yet. It is taking longer than I had hoped unfortunately.
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I say no storage. Extra weight and complexity. Everyone acts like they don't carry a range bag when they go to shoot so I say my priority would be a matching Scorpion FDE color to match my pistol. The items stowed in a grip tend to rattle and who REALLY uses a grip stowed cleaning kit? All of us use cleaning gear stored at home.
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I would pay extra for storage. I would use it to hold a copy of my trust, tax stamp, and extra batteries.
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I never store anything in pistol grips that's what range bags are for. Just my thoughts but if you wanted to leave the option open you could do like Yeti Wurks did he shaped the bottom of his grip so that it could fit a universal AR grip plug that way it gives people the option if they feel it's a must to store things in the grip they can buy the grip plug and store things, on the other hand for people who want the lighter weight and don't care about storing thing you don't need to buy the plug.
https://www.amazon.com/Ergo-Grip-Pistol-Plug-Black/dp/B008GQ0KC8
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Hogue pistol grip storage pods are terrible to install and uninstall, at least on the AK.
FABs are mediocre but functional.
Magpuls are well done but their grip storage pod makes for a rather wide grip (ARs do require more spare parts on hand in my experience than blowback carbines)...
BCMs have my favorite hinge cap design...
Pistol grip storage is great as it keeps critical parts, etc, on the gun, and given the grip location puts that weight at a great balance point for the rifle... Basically the only cost to the shooter for having grip storage is any excess initial dollars cost, and then a couple ounces in weight. All things considered totally worth it.
Great for
-critical spare parts kit such as firing pin, extractor, takedown pins, etc -- stuff likely (likelier) to break or get lost and cease weapon function
-optic batteries
-boresnake or other basic field cleaning kits
-specialty ammo (snakeshot, etc)
A rubbery closed cell foam might work well and relatively cheaply for grip insert organization.
Bottom line, I see grip storage as something like an add on during home construction -- you can pay a little extra upfront to do it initially; otherwise, on the backend you basically have to start over from scratch.
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3 words: sight adjustment tool
That's enough reason for me to need a storage compartment anywhere on the scorpion.
The magpul vertical grip doesn't have a closure even though it has plenty of space inside to store something. Any hollowed out space seems like a waste to me when it can't be utilized
Up until I found this old post, I thought yeti wurks was the only company with an aftermarket grip in the making. Guess we'll have to wait to see what GHW has been up to
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I would pay extra for storage. I would use it to hold a copy of my trust, tax stamp, and extra batteries.
My trust is like 30+ pages. You could fit yours in a pistol grip?!
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I would pay extra for storage. I would use it to hold a copy of my trust, tax stamp, and extra batteries.
My trust is like 30+ pages. You could fit yours in a pistol grip?!
Mine is ten pages, but I would shrink it down and double side it. I would still carry my original tax stamp in my range bag.
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Why not just duct tape a zip lock back to you stock with you trust and stamp in it. 10+ pages of info to carry on your SBR is a lot of paper even shrunk down. I mean you still have to be able to read it.
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I would prefer to have a space to store the sight adjustment tool, one set of batteries (maybe), laser adjustment tool, and Benadryl. It's really helpful to have that on hand. I keep my stuff ready to use quick and expect to move fast. My gun is part of my "oh bleep kit". Tricks ands space is limited, thus it's a great idea. I have other guns that use range bag space as they are for fun. My scorpion is for both.
Please innovate, as our gun needs more cool stuff.
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I would prefer storage. Otherwise, it's a ton of wasted space.
On another note, whatever happened to your prototype handguard?
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We have been so busy this year. We have been working on Project Tomcat putting a lot of resources into that getting it ready to launch. Plus keeping up with growing sales. We have added employees and working on building a large shop expansion. The forearm is still in development and not moving as fast as I would like. The original plan was to get molds for it going after the grip starts shipping. It isn't a dead project, I just don't have enough time in the day.
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We have been so busy this year. We have been working on Project Tomcat putting a lot of resources into that getting it ready to launch. Plus keeping up with growing sales. We have added employees and working on building a large shop expansion. The forearm is still in development and not moving as fast as I would like. The original plan was to get molds for it going after the grip starts shipping. It isn't a dead project, I just don't have enough time in the day.
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Well, maybe one day your ideas won't out number your development and build capacity. It seems you have a rooted passion for the bullpups and nobody can fault you for prioritizing your efforts for something innovative in that market
Until the time comes, the scorpion will still be waiting for you. It's a young firearm that I believe will be here to stay for a long time. Just try not to put the scorpion too far on the back burner that you forget what you were designing before.
As far as I'm tracking from catching up with old posts threads here, you have several ideas for the scorpion:
-The forearm
-the pistol grip
-left side safety selector
Did I miss anything? I wish your company the best and I look forward to doing business with you someday in the future. I'm also curious about this tomcat design that you've kept so hush hush for a greater portion of this year
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Project Tomcat... It's almost as mythical as the DT MDR!
Will the big reveal happen before Halloween?
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I actually have left side safeties almost done and still trying to fit charging handle prototypes in the production schedule. We keep buying machines and it never seems to be enough.
And don't worry about me putting the Scorpion on the back burner. I actually have something massively huge planned for it that I hope to reveal soon. It actually has taken up the second most amount of time in development to the 'mythical' Project Tomcat.
Which for those not following, if you want to know what Project Tomcat is first so you can hop online and be the first ones to break it, sign up for our email list!
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Are we talking like a 2 piece forend handguard? The pistol length main piece attaches to the firearm and an extension connects to the main piece. Extension goes on and comes off with ease, like plug and play for when you use a suppressor.
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Are we talking like a 2 piece forend handguard? The pistol length main piece attaches to the firearm and an extension connects to the main piece. Extension goes on and comes off with ease, like plug and play for when you use a suppressor.
We were talking about the pistol grip itself. Not the forearm.
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I like the idea of on-board storage. Indeed, a range bag would have such stuff too, but for those times when that is not at your side, a few essentials would be desirable. I'm thinking 1 AA, 1 CR CR2032 and a very small lens cleaning cloth stuffed inside to keep those items from banging around...
From what I've read, some are not so fond of the A2 plug option (Yeti). With respect VFGs using M-Lok, there is not much to choose from, so it seems...
Anyone have this eBay offering?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Tactical-Foregrip-Vertical-Angel-Short-Grip-for-M-LOK-System-w-Storage-/231989750669
Curious if it would hold the aforementioned goodies....
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I like storage if the closure is secure.... If it's just a rubber plug, forget it. Even if it's there, I won't put anything in it.
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I like storage if the closure is secure.... If it's just a rubber plug, forget it. Even if it's there, I won't put anything in it.
From accounts I've read, certainly nothing of value...
Oh, I heard back regarding that grip on eBay:
"We just tested it with the batteries. It does not have enough space for 1 AA battery and 1 CR2032 battery. Actually the space are perfectly for 2 AA batteries."