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GENERAL => Ammunition, questions, and handloading techniques => Topic started by: 1SOW on June 18, 2016, 07:43:00 PM
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Has anyone tried Be86 with 9mm 124gr jacketted bullets?
Opinions on metering, velocities, cleanliness, muzzle flash, and shooting results would be appreciated.
From the Alliant web site...
Caliber 9mm, BBL Length 4", Alliant Be 86 Powder, Max Load and velocity shown:
Bullet Case Min OAL Primer Max Velocity
9mm Luger 115 gr FMJ Federal 1.12 Fed 100 6.1 1,219
9mm Luger 124 gr FMJ Federal 1.12 Fed 100 5.8 1,167
9mm Luger 115 gr JHP Federal 1.12 Fed 100 6.3 1,238
9mm Luger 124 gr JHP Federal 1.12 Fed 100 5.9 1,175
9mm Luger 147 gr JHP Federal 1.12 Fed 100 5.1 1,020
9mm Luger 125 gr LRN Federal 1.12 Fed 100 5.7 1,179
9mm Luger 147 gr FP Federal 1.08 Fed 100 4.7 999
[Mods tweaked the title and table]
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I have been curious about it, but at the end of the day, it's too slow for anything I do, so I have resisted the temptation time and time again. I've already got CFE Pistol and Longshot that I look at and can't remember why I bought. I don't need another one of those.
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I just bought an 8 pound keg of BE86 about 3 weeks ago, but haven't loaded anything with it yet. I bought it mostly for .38 Super, but I imagine that when I get some time to mess with it, I'll be trying it in several different calibers and bullet weights. The data looks promising.
When I talked to the Alliant rep at the SHOT Show about it, he said they consider it part of their Bullseye line of powders and that it's between Bullseye and Power Pistol in performance.
Hope this helps.
Fred
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I read a couple of posts elsewhere that said they liked it for 9mm and that it would load light. Just curious.
Alliant lists it best for 9mm and 40 cal.. :-\
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Alliant shows some promising loads with it in .38 Super and 10mm. Those are the two calibers I'll probably use it the most in. I've got a 10mm upper for one of my AR's, and the slightly slower powder should work pretty good in it.
Fred
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It's supposed to be the powder used in Federal's match grade .45. I suspect it is good powder for particular applications.
edited to remove some erroneous information
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I note also that it is "low flash", so defensive 9mm with 124gr might not be a leap
Hmmmm, I wonder how it would perform replacing my n340 loads under 124/125 gr SD loads at 1165-ish FPS.
If a pound is available locally, I might just give it a try.
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So... I rather unexpectedly ended up with BE 86 too...
I couldn't sell a big 8lb keg of 700x, so I am keeping it as my faster powder that I can load lighter 9mm rounds with for practice and fun, but I still need a powder to get my loads to Power Factor for USPSA. I have been looking around locally for Alliant American Select (really wanted to try it out), but have had absolutely no luck finding it. I didn't want to pay the hazmat fee to ship it (adds to much cost to justify buying it over something else locally). Anyways, the last 5 or 6 weeks we were moving and things were crazy, so I just got back to looking for powder and it suddenly seems harder to find as much around my area. My warning alarms went off that another little run may be happening with the political nightmare climate.
Then - I had to stop by Sportsman's Warehouse and noticed they had a big stash of BE 86. A few days later I stopped by for something else and that stash was almost depleted, and all the other powders that previously had lower stocks seemed really picked. Alarms go off in my head again, and some panic as I thought about years past. Then my internal debate, "Hey, I actually don't mind 700x and need a powder to get power factor for USPSA. BE 86 seems to be liked by those who have used it, it produces good 9mm velocity, it can be used with other calibers like Unique (which also seems to be a favorite for many), and it is a good deal. I don't want to wait around for another powder and then not get anything.... I'll get it and have a good stash and be safe."
So thanks to the fresh memory of the big shortage and some self induced fear, I too have a nice big jug of BE 86. I still don't have a chrono, but I'll share any findings and thoughts on the loads I test.
@Reloader Fred - Have you shot yours yet? Any thoughts, recommendations, etc.?
Anyone else have some experience and thoughts to share on this powder in 9mm?
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Nope, I haven't had a chance to even crack the lid on my keg of BE-86. I just got back from an out of state match and have been trying to catch up. I've also been fighting the computer, since Outlook changed their e-mail program and I lost a bunch of data because of it. Some 20 something computer nerd evidently thought I needed to have my life turned upside down.......... I've got a luncheon to put on Sept. 1st for a retirement group I chair, and the 200+ names on my mailing list suddenly disappeared. On top of that, most of my calendar reminders are also gone!
But I digress. I haven't had a chance to do any reloading for a couple of weeks, and the next few weeks are going to be really hectic, so I probably won't get much done for awhile. I've got a meeting up at the state capitol tomorrow, so another day is shot, and then another trip out of state to spread my parents' ashes at sea with the family.
"Leisure years" are a myth, and don't let anyone tell you different........
Fred
PS: I hate Bill Gates this week...!!
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I'm a twenty something computer nerd and I HATE those auto updates windows has been doing! My work laptop was forced to Windows 10 and it's been months of monitors flickering out, audio ports not working, keyboards only connecting correcting through specific USB ports and not others, and on and on. I lost days at work getting everything running again.
My condolences for your computer problems and my truest condolences for your parents and family.
Happy to wait the time to hear your feedback!
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My warning alarms went off that another little run may be happening with the political nightmare climate.
BE-86 might be the last thing on the shelf in that scenario, making it easy to find and a good-to-perfect fit for those in the know.
Having sat thru several of these already, I'm not looking forward to another.
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Shot through a work up of BE-86 today.
Load:
• Berry 124gr plated round nose
• Used Alliant load data for 125 gr lead round nose. It's 1 gr less than the 124 fmj data. The masters can correct me if I'm wrong for doing so.
• Following Alliant's instructions I dropped 10% and rounded so my starting load was 5.1 gr.
Reloading Thoughts:
It meters very very accurately. Had no problems with it binding up my powder drop. When my shell plate rotates sometimes HP-38 and long shot sort of jump out of the cases, it is only a few little pieces but it gets obnoxious. 700x doesn't seem to do this as much, like the flakes are their own shock absorbing system. BE-86 has had the very least of this happen. Basically on my Hornady AP press it's a dream to reload with.
Side Note:
Having just finished a grad program I am still in an apartment and load on a black and deck portable work bench. It has worked for a good while, but I feel like it isn't the rock solid bench most here use. The powder jumping out of cases may be partially/entirely related to my bench.
Shooting Thoughts:
I didn't have a chrono. I was shooting to practice seeing my sights and call my shots... so I paid attention to the cases, feeling recoil, watching ejection patterns, etc.
1- Good thing they put stuff in this to reduce muzzle flash, otherwise it'd be a fireworks show. I noticed it the most at 5.1gr, so it may have been related to not getting an optimal burn.
2- Case expansion wasn't fully happening on a consistent basis until I reached the 5.3 gr loads.
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3- Cleanliness wasn't something I checked yet since lower charges aren't always as clean (because they don't get the best burn efficiency). I'll take some pictures after each of the next outings when I shoot just one load for 100 rounds straight.
4- Recoil was what would be expected from a powder with this burn rate. If you focus on it and worry about it you'll feel it. If you have a steady grip and focus on the sights and targets the it'll be pretty normal.
6- Accuracy... I am not Joe L. Today I was really trying to call my shots by seeing my sights at a range of 25 yards. I wish I could afford having a Steve Anderson class where he teaches shooting groups because this is a weakness of mine at this slower pace (hard for me to keep a clear mind). Anyways, excuses aside. I was getting groups around 6 inches at 25 yards with 1 shot per second. This isn't a fault of the powder, I knew when I jerked the trigger and pulled the shot.
Conclusion:
I like the powder for the intended purpose I got it for. I always look forward to the feedback, questions, suggestions, etc from the members here. I'm always getting taken to school for a good teaching.
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I'm a sucker for new reloading goodies, so I tried BE-86. Meters great and it's fairly clean burning. I've had good luck with various 9mm loads and it works best at near max load from the Alliant site. The real surprise was how good it is in .38 spc. +P loads, again at max listed load.
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These results are from my Glock 17 before I switched over to a CZ 75 SP-01 and VV N320.
I love the BE-86, but it took about 3.7gr on 147gr X-Tremes to make PF of about 131.
Tested on a ProChrono, and it was about 76F.
Name: 124gr RMR Match FP
Notes: BE-86, 4.7gr
CCI 500 SPP
1.10" OAL
Mixed Brass
Shots: 15
Average: 1045 FPS
SD: 14 FPS
Min: 1019 FPS
Max: 1070 FPS
Spread: 51 FPS
Power Factor Average: 130
Power Factor Low: 126
Power Factor High: 133
Bullet Weight: 124 grains
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Likely, he was using this from Alliant -10%?
9mm Luger 115 gr FMJ Federal 1.12 4. Fed 100 BE-86 6.1 1,219
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My feeble contribution to the thread,
All bullets are RMR RN FMJ 124gr.
BE-86 powder
CCI Primers
COAL 1.125"
Warm day mid to high 80's
Shot from S&W M&P shield (carry gun) just picked up my P-01 today! ;)
Chrono ~10 feet away
Powder grains FPS
5.0 986
1007
1003
1032
5.2 1019
999
1036
1038
5.4 1036
1043
1048
1064
5.6 1066
1070
1089
1104
I didn't load hotter because I didn't know what this powder would be like. I have always used VV N320 before.
BE-86 burns almost as clean with low flash / no smoke. After testing I bought all the BE-86 the store had. $ is great! $21/lb.
The powder seems to slop out of the case a little during reloading, I'm at fault there. Overall I'm happy with it.
Ron
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When I started using a chrono, I ran 5 shots per rung of the ladder. I fairly quickly suspected that was not a significant enough sample size, so I ran some 20-round strings one day. I cut each string in half, and compared the two ten-round sub-strings to each other and to the twenty round total string. I then cut each half in half and did the same comparison with the 4 five-round strings. From this simple test, it appeared there was significant precision to be gained from going up to ten rounds from five rounds, but there was not a significant gain going from 10 rounds up to 20 rounds per string. Your 4-round strings over the chrono are not going to be particularly precise. Wobbly has indicated that 8-round strings are a sufficient sampling size, and I think he's holding onto more math than I am, so I'm not saying 10 is the magic number, but 4 rounds is not going to tell you much.
Anyway, IF what you have is a precise enough representation of what those powder charges are doing with those bullets, you have:
5.0gr | 1007 ft/s | ES-46 |
5.2gr | 1023 ft/s | ES-39 | +16 ft/s
5.4gr | 1048 ft/s | ES-28 | +25 ft/s
5.6gr | 1082 ft/s | ES-38 | +34 ft/s
5.8gr is fair game by Alliant's data, but in their data you should be about 1170 at that charge, and you won't get there with 5.8gr according to the data we see here. You might get 1120 with 5.8gr.
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When BE-86 first appeared, Alliant promoted it as Power Pistol with a flash suppressant.
In other words, the powders are the same, except for the flash suppressant added to BE-86. The addition of the flash suppressant changes the burning characteristics somewhat, and changes the VMD of BE-86, so the different charge weights are no surprise.
However, they are the same powder, except for the flash suppressant in BE-86.
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When BE-86 first appeared, Alliant promoted it as Power Pistol with a flash suppressant.
In other words, the powders are the same, except for the flash suppressant added to BE-86.
Sort of. ;) Not exactly.
Alliant didn't market BE-86 like this. They actually brought it to market ahead of schedule under pressure of the powder shortage with NO marketing and NO data. The idea that BE-86 was Power Pistol came from comments made by an Alliant rep named Paul, who responded several times in what became an extensive BE-86 thread at THR. This Alliant guy Paul said that BE-86 was of the "same magic formulation" of Bullseye and Power Pistol, that its flakes were very close in geometry to Power Pistol, and that they had added a flash suppressant. That's not the same as as it being Power Pistol plus flash suppressant, which was the internet hub-bub at the time.
To make sense of that "geometry" comment, as well as the "Bullseye AND Power Pistol" comparison, it helps to know something about burn rate. Powder companies will often using the same formula, the exact same chemical compound, for different powders, but control the burn rate of the powder with different sizes or shapes of the powder particles. Sometimes, coatings and additives will affect that burn rate, as well. Basically, given the same chemical compound, the lower the mass is per unit surface area, the faster the burn rate. Or more simply, the smaller the particle is, the faster it will burn up. So you could have a series of pistol powders that employ the exact same chemical compound, but by way of an incremental increase in the particle size, have a range in the series from very fast burn rates to very slow burn rates with, again, the exact same chemical compound. And then you could name them something like N310, N320, N330, N340, & N350. O0
Anyway... this is apparently what is going on with BE-86. It uses the same formula as Bullseye. Power Pistol also uses the same formula as Bullseye. According to Paul, BE-86 has been produced and used in factory ammunition for 30 years. When Power Pistol was an OEM powder, its internal name was BE-84. So it's not that BE-86 is based on Power Pistol. It means they were both created from Bullseye in close succession. I suspect that if BE-86 hadn't been rushed to market, it would have had a name other than its internal corporate name. The BE in BE-84 and BE-86 obviously means "BullsEye" as they are both based on the ancient Bullseye formula. So while it's more or less true to say that BE-86 is like Power Pistol, but with a slightly smaller flake size and with a flash suppressant added, it would also be more or less true to say that BE-86 is like Bullseye, but with a larger flake size and with a flash suppressant added. ;)
I think the most accurate summary of what Alliant rep Paul said would be -- BE-86 is a Bullseye formula powder, as was Power Pistol, but close to the burn rate of Unique, and with a flash suppressant.
That Alliant rep Paul also revealed that BE-86 was the powder that Federal used in its .45 ACP 185gr JHP Gold Medal Match ammo, and Speer uses it in their .357 SIG Speer Gold Dot LE Duty ammo.
There will be a quiz tomorrow. ;)
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There will be a quiz tomorrow. ;)
The wealth of knowledge is just too good! Thanks for all the info!
Last night my wife and I were at the range. First time she has ever come to an indoor range and one of her unsolicited comments afterwards was about my powder (BE-86). She mentioned that the only other gentleman there was shooting a 9mm a few lanes over and was producing a large looking flash (pretty sure it was winchester white box stuff). She said that mine was a much smaller flash with a spark or two and asked why they were different. I think she was concerned I was shooting sissy loads because she later commented that his hands flew back way further than mine in recoil. I told her my powder has a flash suppressant so I don't have a large distracting flash. I also told her it was a pretty stout load, I wasn't running it light to make recoil easier.
So, to a person who almost never goes shooting the BE-86 flash suppressant was making a big enough difference that she noticed without me telling her to look for it. Just a non-scientific observation.
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So glad I found this thread,
Lots of USEFUL information. Thanks to all for sharing.
When I chronoed my loads I had ~50 rnds of each, had I known better I would have had more data examples for a more precise sampling. I will next time. Thank you for letting me know.
Does anyone know if BE-86 is temperature sensitive like Titegroup? Sometimes I shoot in the snow and sometimes it's 110*.
"5.8gr is fair game by Alliant's data, but in their data you should be about 1170 at that charge, and you won't get there with 5.8gr according to the data we see here. You might get 1120 with 5.8gr."
I was shooting a Shield which has a 3.1" barrel, wouldn't a longer barrel produce higher velocities? (not sarcastic)
Ron
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I was shooting a Shield which has a 3.1" barrel, wouldn't a longer barrel produce higher velocities? (not sarcastic)
Yes, but whether or not it would make up the missing 50-ish ft/s I don't know. There are always other factors in play, as well, when we're talking about data for general bullet types rather than specific makes and models, so it's not unreasonable to think you're at least near the ball park. ;)
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Does anyone know if BE-86 is temperature sensitive like Titegroup? Sometimes I shoot in the snow and sometimes it's 110*.
With winter being here I can test it in the cold.... Won't have access to heat like that for a while. Utah can get chilly, so I'll try and run out on a cold winter night if one of the members from the really cold states doesn't get to it first.
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So, to a person who almost never goes shooting the BE-86 flash suppressant was making a big enough difference that she noticed without me telling her to look for it. Just a non-scientific observation.
In one of the Alliant guy's comments, he said where Power Pistol makes a basketball sized muzzle flash, we should expect BE-86 to produce one the size of of a baseball. A lot of it depends on ambient lighting.
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Does anyone know if BE-86 is temperature sensitive like Titegroup? Sometimes I shoot in the snow and sometimes it's 110*.
so I'll try and run out on a cold winter night
If you want to check temp sensitivity -- two things. First is that powders can be reverse sensitive, so unless you know for sure which way this one swings, you would be advised to use a starting load.
Second, shooting in cold temps isn't going to change much. Igniting cold powder is what's going produce the difference, so if you want to do this, make 20 rounds with the same charge, leave ten of them in your car outside overnight, already loaded in a magazine so that you don't have to handle them with your warm hands, and keep 10 of them inside your house, already loaded in a magazine. Then drive them out and shoot them, warm ammo first.
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If you want to check temp sensitivity -- two things. First is that powders can be reverse sensitive, so unless you know for sure which way this one swings, you would be advised to use a starting load.
Second, shooting in cold temps isn't going to change much. Igniting cold powder is what's going produce the difference, so if you want to do this, make 20 rounds with the same charge, leave ten of them in your car outside overnight, already loaded in a magazine so that you don't have to handle them with your warm hands, and keep 10 of them inside your house, already loaded in a magazine. Then drive them out and shoot them, warm ammo first.
This method would test only how cold effects BE-86. I will do this when it gets a little colder, 37* this morning. I will use warm "in house" loads as a control group and put another 20 rounds on the defroster / heater vent to warm past the control group temperature. I will check the case temps of all with an IR scanner. We are planning a family shoot day just after Thanksgiving. I will be more thorough with data accumulation.
Ron
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Don't forget, that even with an IR scan of the case, the powder inside might still be cold soaked even after the case warms up.
We see that frequently in the winter when shooting gallery league bullseye with 22's. Some of the shooters aren't able to bring their ammo inside at work. It usually causes cycling issues, which says to me the powder is cold sensitive.
Completely unscientific.
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I'm open to better methodology. (not sarcastic)
The "range" where we shoot is ~1 hr. drive from home. Plenty of time for the defroster to heat 'em up.
If there is an excepted way to perform these tests, I'll do it. I'm just throwing out ideas and learning what NOT to do. :)
It would be nice to know if this powder is temp sensitive.
Ron
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I'm open to better methodology. (not sarcastic)
The "range" where we shoot is ~1 hr. drive from home. Plenty of time for the defroster to heat 'em up.
If there is an excepted way to perform these tests, I'll do it. I'm just throwing out ideas and learning what NOT to do. :)
It would be nice to know if this powder is temp sensitive.
Ron
Accounting for all variables, if possible.
Test Group 1: Room temp
Test Group 2: Cold for a little while. Simulating having it sit out in really cold weather for a range session, or just do that... document how cold and how long it sat.
Test Group 3: Kept in cold environment for several hours (8 hrs in fridge?) and kept at that temp till shooting (cooler?).
Test Group 4: Really cold for several hours (8 hrs in freezer?) and kept at that temp till shooting (in ziploc bag with sealed ice packs surrounding in cooler?)
Extra thorough would possibly be having different charges. So in each temperature group sets of 8-10 of low middle and higher charge weights (in load data window) to run over the chrono. Those are the major variables I can think of. Might be more as the other guys are the real pro's.
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The completely unscientific comment was regarding my observation of 22 ammo, not your experiment.
After an hour I'd expect them to be warmed all the way through also. Might be better if you took them out of the boxes.
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No one should get too carried away with testing. All you can really answer is whether or not it's significantly temp sensitive, generally temp insensitive, or reverse sensitive.
Anyone who is going to shoot in a wide variety of temps would want to work up different loads at the temps they anticipate shooting so that they know what they have going on in their guns with their ammo.
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When BE-86 first appeared, Alliant promoted it as Power Pistol with a flash suppressant.
In other words, the powders are the same, except for the flash suppressant added to BE-86.
Sort of. ;) Not exactly.
Alliant didn't market BE-86 like this. They actually brought it to market ahead of schedule under pressure of the powder shortage with NO marketing and NO data. The idea that BE-86 was Power Pistol came from comments made by an Alliant rep named Paul, who responded several times in what became an extensive BE-86 thread at THR. This Alliant guy Paul said that BE-86 was of the "same magic formulation" of Bullseye and Power Pistol, that its flakes were very close in geometry to Power Pistol, and that they had added a flash suppressant. That's not the same as as it being Power Pistol plus flash suppressant, which was the internet hub-bub at the time.
To make sense of that "geometry" comment, as well as the "Bullseye AND Power Pistol" comparison, it helps to know something about burn rate. Powder companies will often using the same formula, the exact same chemical compound, for different powders, but control the burn rate of the powder with different sizes or shapes of the powder particles. Sometimes, coatings and additives will affect that burn rate, as well. Basically, given the same chemical compound, the lower the mass is per unit surface area, the faster the burn rate. Or more simply, the smaller the particle is, the faster it will burn up. So you could have a series of pistol powders that employ the exact same chemical compound, but by way of an incremental increase in the particle size, have a range in the series from very fast burn rates to very slow burn rates with, again, the exact same chemical compound. And then you could name them something like N310, N320, N330, N340, & N350. O0
Anyway... this is apparently what is going on with BE-86. It uses the same formula as Bullseye. Power Pistol also uses the same formula as Bullseye. According to Paul, BE-86 has been produced and used in factory ammunition for 30 years. When Power Pistol was an OEM powder, its internal name was BE-84. So it's not that BE-86 is based on Power Pistol. It means they were both created from Bullseye in close succession. I suspect that if BE-86 hadn't been rushed to market, it would have had a name other than its internal corporate name. The BE in BE-84 and BE-86 obviously means "BullsEye" as they are both based on the ancient Bullseye formula. So while it's more or less true to say that BE-86 is like Power Pistol, but with a slightly smaller flake size and with a flash suppressant added, it would also be more or less true to say that BE-86 is like Bullseye, but with a larger flake size and with a flash suppressant added. ;)
I think the most accurate summary of what Alliant rep Paul said would be -- BE-86 is a Bullseye formula powder, as was Power Pistol, but close to the burn rate of Unique, and with a flash suppressant.
That Alliant rep Paul also revealed that BE-86 was the powder that Federal used in its .45 ACP 185gr JHP Gold Medal Match ammo, and Speer uses it in their .357 SIG Speer Gold Dot LE Duty ammo.
There will be a quiz tomorrow. ;)
Great info! I got caught in the hub bub. :) I'm going to try some in .44mag/.44Spl. and then 9mm, the only three handgun cartridges I load. Be nice to have a powder work in all three but would probably be compromising with one of them.
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Alliant doesn't list any .44 Special data for BE-86, but that same afore-mentioned Alliant guy Paul listed this:
7.7gr max standard pressure load for 200gr cast lead RNFP at OAL 1.145, so per Alliant standard load protocol, you would start at 6.9 and work up, with 7.7gr as your ceiling.
He also mentioned that Federal's only factory .44 Special load uses BE-86 with a 200gr cast lead SWC-HP.
I'd bet if you ask Alliant, they'll give you some .44 Special data, and we already know it's good for 9mm and .45ACP. Alliant does list three .44 Magnum loads.
And, bleep it, now I want to buy some BE-86. :P
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Keep your test loads in a couple of those small 6-pack "coolers" until you're ready to shoot.
I like experiments.
Rechrono known loads in the winter. Save the data. Ditto summer.
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Here is a pic of my target with those BE-86 loads last night. Keep in mind I'm not practicing for bullseye, this is for working on grip, shot calling and shooting sorta fast (splits around 0.5) at 15 yards and 25 yards for the group on the head. While doing that sort of shooting I knew fliers were my fault. This powder has produced exceptional accuracy for me in 9mm w 124gr Berry bullets. Hope it does so for everyone else's loads! BTW I posted about my range trip with pics of all the targets for all 100 rounds and explanations on the "sets" if anyone is wondering about them. That way this thread isn't derailed.
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=84001.0
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Anyway, IF what you have is a precise enough representation of what those powder charges are doing with those bullets, you have:
5.0gr | 1007 ft/s | ES-46 |
5.2gr | 1023 ft/s | ES-39 | +16 ft/s
5.4gr | 1048 ft/s | ES-28 | +25 ft/s
5.6gr | 1082 ft/s | ES-38 | +34 ft/s
5.8gr is fair game by Alliant's data, but in their data you should be about 1170 at that charge, and you won't get there with 5.8gr according to the data we see here. You might get 1120 with 5.8gr.
Based on the above info I loaded up PD 124gr JHP at 1.110" with 5.4 and 5.5gr. With 9 shots each
across a ProChrono and got 1123fps avg for 5.4 and 1135fps avg for 5.5gr.
70F and overcast. Perfect shooting and measurement conditions. Explain that !
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Based on the above info I loaded up PD 124gr JHP at 1.110" with 5.4 and 5.5gr. With 9 shots each
across a ProChrono and got 1123fps avg for 5.4 and 1135fps avg for 5.5gr.
Explain that !
Well, the deeper seating depths typical of JHP tend to be worth 2-3 tenths of a grain of powder, though I suspect closer to 2 in this case with his shorter than average FMJ-RN OAL, plus you've got a full length barrel compared to his compact SHIELD barrel, so that's probably worth a tenth or two of powder in terms of velocity relative to his shorter barrel, probably closer to 2 with a slower powder, so in the context of HIS data with his compact pistol, I would expect your two loads to behave like they were at maybe 5.8 and 5.9, and...
let me see here...
5.8gr is fair game by Alliant's data, but in their data you should be about 1170 at that charge, and you won't get there with 5.8gr according to the data we see here. You might get 1120 with 5.8gr.
So, yeah, pretty much spot on. 8)
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I've tested it in a 10" barrel, but only for accuracy, and it proved accurate with the RMR 124 gr. JHP. I didn't drag my chronograph to the range, but I guess I'll have to eventually.
Fred
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Before Wobbly took it into his own hands, we had
- Berry's 124gr RN plated
- XTreme 147gr plated
- RMR 124gr Match FP plated
- Unknown 115gr JHP
- RMR 124gr FMJ-RN
So what you're saying is that in this entire 4 page thread, no one ever tested BE-86 with 124gr JHP bullets in a "full length" barrel ?
YUP! ;)
I frequently try to turn the plated shooters onto 124gr JHP, so... not my fault.
I'm pretty sure we can point the finger at Painter for this lapse. ;)
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So what you're saying is that in this entire 4 page thread, no one ever tested BE-86 with 124gr JHP bullets in a "full length" barrel ?
Haha I have the powder, just no 124 gr JHP bullets. Once I am done working my 10mm loads I can go find some and try this out. Any recommendations on good 124 JHP's to get?
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PDs and Zeros do include shipping for their standard quantities.
I would suggest contacting PD and requesting maybe a test batch of 250 (?). They used to oblige for new customers.
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For reference, from Montana Gold, 124gr JHP are 9 cents when you buy a case of 3750, and 26.5 cents per bullet by the 100.
I'm not saying it will be that big of a swing, but be aware of the per bullet upcharge.
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I'm pretty sure we can point the finger at Painter for this lapse. ;)
I'm not gonna take this lying down.
What's BE-86? ;D
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Does anyone have any comparative data on the BE86 vs the Power Pistol? Is there a major difference in burn rate? Charge weights?
Power pistol is a little slower. Gives higher energy rounds.
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OK, kids ! I had time to do a 50 round test today using BE-86, and I was very happy with the results.
Equipment
Bullets: Precision Delta 124gr JHP
Brass: Mixed
Powder: Alliant BE-86 (4.7gr to 5.1gr)
Primer: Federal Small Pistol
OAL: 1.110"
Pistol: SP-01 Tac
10 rounds each, slow fired
70F and highly overcast
ProChrono
Load Avg Vel SD
4.7 995 13
4.8 1033 11
4.9 1053 10
5.0 1071 14
5.1 1093 14
NOTES
- This powder burned remarkably clean, even at 4.7gr
- I attribute the low SD numbers to the powder and not my reloading technique
- I would recommend 4.9gr for competition and 4.9-5.0gr for general plinking
- At ~4.9gr the sights were aimed true for 50 foot targets
- I was also happy to fire 50 rounds and not hit my chrono.
Hope this helps. ;)
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Load Avg Vel Velocity +
4.7 995
4.8 1033 +38
4.9 1053 +20
5.0 1071 +18
5.1 1093 +22
It looks like you start getting a good, timely pressure seal there at 4.8. And just from what my own 75 ShadowLine does with 124gr bullets, I'm guessing 5.0 is a straight shooter. Very interesting. 8)
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It looks like you start getting a good, timely pressure seal there at 4.8. And just from what my own 75 ShadowLine does with 124gr bullets, I'm guessing 5.0 is a straight shooter. Very interesting. 8)
The powder was burning so clean (even at 4.7gr) that no smut was left on the outside on any of the 50 fired cases. You may be right about the sealing. There may be blow-by, but there are no tell-tale indications on the brass.
Simply amazing. Not what I expected. I'm ordering more BE-86.
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That does look and sound good.
Curious: How did the feed ramp, trigger bar and chamber look after firing 50?
"Are you ready"..... to quit n320? :o
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9mm Luger 115 gr FMJ Federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 6.1 1,219 -
9mm Luger 124 gr FMJ federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 5.8 1,167 -
9mm Luger 115 gr JHP Federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 6.3 1,238 -
9mm Luger 124 gr JHP Federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 5.9 1,175 -
9mm Luger 147 gr JHP Federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 5.1 1,020 -
9mm Luger 125 gr Lead RN Federal 1.12 4 Fed 100 BE-86 5.7 1,179 -
9mm Luger 147 FP Federal 1.08 4 Fed 100 BE-86 4.7 999 -
9mm Luger Speer 115 gr CPRN Federal 1.135 4 CCI 500 BE-86 6.3 1,226 -
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- At ~4.9gr the sights were aimed true for 50 foot targets
So 4.9 was right for lining up POA and POI. How did you feel about accuracy, in general? Not looking for measurements, just your impression. I know you know how your groups generally look. ;)
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Answers....
• I did have a target on the far side of the chrono, just to make sure the chrono wasn't hit. I was also using a bench rest with the heel of the pistol resting on a sheet of some very dense foam. You can definitely see 5 distinct groups climbing the target. However, I don't want to call one load better than the other because I wasn't "shooting for accuracy".
• Also I did not clean my gun before starting, so I cannot comment on cleanliness other than to say it looked no worse. I have another batch of 50 worked up, and that will be a good thing to test.
• No, I'm not giving up on N320 or N330. But these newer powders (BE-86 and probably the new ones from IMR) will give VihtaVuori a run for their money. VV will either need to drop their prices to sell in the US or go home. Some product lines (like cars and liquors) can demand a higher price simply based on their name. I'm not sure you can pull that off in reloading, mainly because (unlike cars) most people start reloading to save money.
Of course, I've been wrong before. Just like Lexus rising to the price of a BMW, powders like BE-86 could always collect their own "snob appeal" and rise to the price level of the VV product line !! :P
And of course, that's what we need in competitive shooting. People walking around with their nose stuck up in the air with a patch on their shirt that says "Don't even talk to me unless you're loading XXXX powder". Yikes !
;)
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Discovered I had a pile of FMJ 9mm 115gr sitting around in my cabinet left from ~2001 and my push during this Social Distancing period has been to clean up and organize... which means go ahead and finish off small lots of bullets and powder...
And I got a brand new can of BE-86... so what's a fellow to do ?? ;D
Equipment
Bullets: Winchester 115gr FMJ
Brass: RWS
Powder: Alliant BE-86 (6.1gr Max)
Max Vel: 1219 fps
Primer: Winchester SPP
OAL: 1.125"
Pistol: SP-01 Tac
8 rounds each, slow fired
68F and highly overcast
ProChrono DLX
Load Avg Vel ES SD
4.2 917 40 13
4.3 935 26 11
4.4 946 47 16
4.5 964 40 15
4.6 1018 34 13
4.7 1032 34 11
Notes
- This powder burned remarkably clean, even at 4.2gr
- All loads operated my slide, but brass never got more than 4 ft away with 14# spring
- Good SD numbers even though the humidity was 75% in my basement and there could have been 'clumping'
- I would recommend something higher than 4.7gr for competition and 4.6/4.7gr for general plinking
- At ~4.7gr the sights were aimed true for 50 foot targets
- This test never approached the Max Load despite using an OAL shorter than that listed. More testing is definitely needed at 115gr.
(https://i.imgur.com/o4UT59f.jpg)
Hope this helps. ;)
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This test adds higher loads to complete the testing done yesterday. It still comes nowhere near Alliant's Max Load velocity.
Equipment
Bullets: Winchester 115gr FMJ
Brass: RWS
Powder: Alliant BE-86 (6.1gr Max)
Max Vel: 1219 fps
Primer: Winchester SPP
OAL: 1.125"
Pistol: SP-01 Tac
8 rounds each, slow fired
68F and highly overcast
ProChrono DLX
Load Avg Vel ES SD
4.2 917 40 13
4.3 935 26 11
4.4 946 47 16
4.5 964 40 15
4.6 1018 34 13
4.7 1032 34 11
4.8 1046 43 13
4.9 1066 31 09
5.0 1081 19 06
5.1 1115 11 09
Notes
- This powder burned remarkably clean, even at 4.2gr
- All loads operated my slide, and brass got between 2-6 ft away with 14# spring
- Good SD numbers even though the humidity was 75% in my basement and there could have been 'clumping'
- I would recommend something higher than 4.7gr for competition and 4.6/4.7gr for general plinking
- At ~4.7gr the sights were aimed true for 50 foot targets
- This test never approached the Max Load despite using an OAL shorter than listed
(https://i.imgur.com/WoiFSYf.jpg)
This powder is extremely clean shooting
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How does your barrel length compare to the test barrel?
The SD and ES look good.
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I use BE86 under a precision delta 124 jhp, I load with 5.0 grains, it's a nice target load.
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Wobbly, that's another good example of the value of using a chronograph when working up loads. I'm amazed at how far above the max load you were and apparently you still had room to continue had you wanted to. How full was the case at 5.1 grains? I'm going to keep this load on my list too. Thank you for continuing to post great data for us to consider.
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We need some testing done with Lead !!
Equipment
Bullets: Acme 124gr LRN coated
Brass: Federal Cartridge (F.C.)
Powder: Alliant BE-86 (5.7gr max)
Max Vel: 1179 fps
Primer: Federal Small Pistol Match #GM100M
OAL: 1.120"
Pistol: SP-01 Tac
8 rounds each, slow fired
68F, clear and bright sun
ProChrono DLX
Load Avg Vel ES SD
5.1 1097 41 15
5.2 1127 54 16
5.3 1150 20 08 *
5.4 1153 41 13
5.5 1161 30 09
5.6 1166 36 12
5.7 *** Shots Not Taken ***
Notes
- Testing suspended at 5.6 because there were velocities at 1190 with 5.6gr
- * Only 3 shots registered skewing the results. They are probably closer to 1140 fps with a higher SD. 5.3gr is not a magic node.
- Used load data from Alliant, which lists only a Max Load
- Shots were smokier than expected considering thick coating and cooler powder
- Overall accuracy was good
- All shots operated my SP-01 slide with 14# recoil spring. No FTF noted.
- Probably should test at lower loads. Testing down to ~4.7 for plinking needs.
- As tested, this is not a good plinking powder for Lead due to excessive powder requirements and higher than needed velocities.
Hope this helps. ;)
Examples....
(https://i.imgur.com/gUA0Mrt.jpg)
Same clean shooting BE-86, even with lead...
(https://i.imgur.com/Z8qdGeh.jpg)
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Equipment
Bullets: Rocky Mntn Reloading (RMR) 147gr Match Winner TCFP
Brass: Federal Cartridge (F.C.)
Powder: Alliant BE-86 (4.7gr max)
Max Vel: 999 fps
Primer: Winchester WSP
OAL: 1.110"
Pistol: SP-01 Tac
10 rounds each, slow fired
80F, clear and bright sun
ProChrono DLX
Load Avg Vel ES SD
4.5 970 23 07
4.6 977 34 12
4.7 * 998 38 10
4.8 1018 42 12 Over Max Load
Notes
- Testing done to find a 1000fps load with 147gr to emulate Federal 147gr SD loads
- Used load data from Alliant, which lists only a Max Load
- No smoke noted
- Overall accuracy was good
- All shots operated my SP-01 slide with stock recoil spring. No FTF noted.
- As tested, this is a great powder for home made SD loads
- Cases thrown about 6 feet
- I have chosen 4.7gr for use in my load
Test about to begin...
(https://i.imgur.com/Z3KI32U.jpg?1)
The ammo...
(https://i.imgur.com/603dxsj.jpg?1)
Look how clean these cases come out !
(https://i.imgur.com/q6F4zf6.jpg?1)
Hope this helps. ;)
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Discovered I had a pile of FMJ 9mm 115gr sitting around in my cabinet left from ~2001 and my push during this Social Distancing period has been to clean up and organize... which means go ahead and finish off small lots of bullets and powder...
And I got a brand new can of BE-86... so what's a fellow to do ?? ;D
I apologize for responding to such an old post, but it's so closely related to my situation and I wasn't sure how to word it correctly in a new post. Hopefully I haven't broken any member etiquette or rules.
First thank you for supplying such detailed data in your post. I have been away from loading pistol rounds for a few months as I've been shooting my previously loaded rounds and trying to perfect my loading skills for several different rifle rounds. Because I have 5-lbs. of BE-86 and 3K of 115gr. FMJ projectiles and ready to start loading for 9mm again, I found your post to be very appropriate to my situation. I hope you don't mind me asking questions regarding your data. It may turn out that I have missed something in my research.
In the above older post you wrote:
Bullets: Winchester 115gr FMJ
Brass: RWS
Powder: Alliant BE-86 (4.8gr Max)
Max Vel: 1164
OAL: 1.125"
My question concerns the "Alliant BE-86 (4.8gr Max)" that you listed. The Alliant powder chart lists a load for a 115gr. Federal FMC loaded at an OAL of 1.120" and a max of 6.1gr of BE-86. I always thought that the FMC is pretty much equivalent to an FMJ, but I may be wrong and hence part of my question. If the two bullets are closely matched and your OAL of 1.125" is .005" longer, can I ask where the 4.8gr Max is from. I am worried that I am possibly misreading something or that the printed Alliant data is wrong so I would rather ask than be sorry later.
To add to my confusion, someone responded to your post a day later with: "Wobbly, that's another good example of the value of using a chronograph when working up loads. I'm amazed at how far above the max load you were and apparently you still had room to continue had you wanted to".
This seems to also suggest that the Alliant data is either wrong or I am using the wrong comparison by choosing the data for the 115gr Federal FMC, but I can't find another projectile on the Alliant chart that matches your 115gr FMJ and BE-86. Did you perhaps get your 4.8gr. Max from another source that I haven't been able to locate?
Again I apologize for responding to an older post and also for all the questions. Thank you Sir.
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Absolutely no apologies needed. And thanks for the question.
In reviewing this, you indeed are correct. I seemed to have really screwed up. My apologies to you. Here's the latest Alliant data....
(https://i.imgur.com/8zltBvb.gif)
So you are indeed correct. Max load for 115gr Jacketed is 6.1gr, 1219fps with OAL of 1.120". Looking at my data and this is like day and night. It's not a small oversight, it's huge. So big, I'm at a loss to even begin to explain how this happened.
Good catch ! I'm going to go back and correct this. Thank you for pointing this out.
Your official CZ Forum Certificate of Merit and adhesive gold star are in the mail.
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BE86 is my next "hope" for the M&P 9MM. Didn't work out in the FNS or M&P FS .40's with the 180's (most likely my sense of good groups as the CZ's have spoiled me. Bought a lb. of it and AA#7 for the M&P 9MM and then used both on the .40's first (never pass up an opportunity to load ammo.)
I've got some 124 grain hollow point Hornady and Everglades bullets to try out.
Funny how a thread you've paid little attention to suddenly becomes more important when things change for some reason.
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Absolutely no apologies needed. And thanks for the question.
In reviewing this, you indeed are correct. I seemed to have really screwed up. My apologies to you. Here's the latest Alliant data....
(https://i.imgur.com/8zltBvb.gif)
So you are indeed correct. Max load for 115gr Jacketed is 6.1gr, 1219fps with OAL of 1.120". Looking at my data and this is like day and night. It's not a small oversight, it's huge. So big, I'm at a loss to even begin to explain how this happened.
Good catch ! I'm going to go back and correct this. Thank you for pointing this out.
Your official CZ Forum Certificate of Merit and adhesive gold star are in the mail.
Wobbly,
Thank you for clearing it up for me. I'm glad that my due diligence paid off for a change. Now I can start using up some of the BE-86 and from what I have read in your posts as well as a bunch of others it seems to be a great powder for the 9mm. I doubt that I will need to come close to the 6.3gr max, but it's nice to know that it has such a wide spread of charges.
Thanks again for your assistance and the kind words. I haven't felt this proud since I was pinned with the Air Force Good Conduct Medal. Lol :)
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With powder supplies still being tight, most everyone is having to experiment to develop replacements for their pet loads. In my case, I happened upon a 8# container of Alliant BE-86. On this site, I've seen some data in regards to lighter projectiles with 9mm & BE-86. Figured I'd share. With 147gn projectiles, I like to stay around 50 FPS lower in my practice loads than the 147gn Federal HST load I carry. Similar recoil and cadence. I'll probably drop down 1/10th of a grain. HST data is included at the bottom.
I found that the BE-86 meters very consistently in my Dillion powder measure, but found I have to throw more test charges when dialing in the equipment. With VV and the Winchester powders I've been using, I normally have to throw 5-6 charges between adjustments for the measure to settle in. For one reason or another the BE-86 seemed to take about 10 test charges before they settled down. Seems to burn clean but pressure/velocity jumps quickly as you begin to fill the case. I ran some 4.7gn loads. The first few were all over the place and when I had one register at 1045fps, I stopped and pulled those apart. 4.5gn is about as hot as I want to tempt.
In my experience, the Berry's and X-Treme 147gn heavy plate projectiles perform very close to one another so I began with X-Treme's load. Worked up from there. Overall, I like the powder in 9mm.
9mm Luger (Alliant Data)
Projectile Powder Primer OAL Grains Velocity 10% reduction Theoretical VEL
115-gr Federal FMC BE-86 Fed. 100 1.120 6.1 1219 5.5 1097.1
115-gr Federal JHP BE-86 Fed. 100 1.120 6.3 1238 5.7 1114.2
124-gr Federal FMC BE-86 Fed. 100 1.120 5.8 1167 5.2 1050.3
124-gr Federal JHP BE-86 Fed. 100 1.120 5.9 1175 5.3 1057.5
125-gr Cast RN BE-86 Fed. 100 1.120 5.7 1179 5.1 1061.1
147-gr Federal JHP BE-86 Fed. 100 1.120 5.1 1020 4.6 918
147-gr FP Federal BE-86 Fed. 100 1.080 4.7 999 4.2 899.1
X-Treme Data
124-gr FMJ BE-86 1.14 5.6 1170 N/A
124-gr HPCB RN BE-86 1.15 4.7 1052 N/A
147-gr HPCB RN BE-86 1.15 3.9 896 N/A
147-gr RN BE-86 1.15 3.9 907 N/A
Weapon: CZ75BD
Powder: Alliant BE-86
Case: Federal 9mm
Primer: CCI 500
Projectile: Berrys 147gn RN
OAL: 1.150+/-
Name 4.5gn BE-86 (61F)
Notes N/A
Number of Shots 10
Extreme Spread 17
Average 980
Standard Deviation 6
Power Factor Average 144
Power Factor Low 142
Power Factor High 145
Shot List Index Velocity Temperature Barometric Pressure Bullet Weight Ft/lbs Power Factor Date
4.5gn BE-86 (61F) 1 983 61F 30.0 in Hg 147 315.38 145 12/31/2021 14:43
4.5gn BE-86 (61F) 2 979 61F 30.0 in Hg 147 312.82 144 12/31/2021 14:43
4.5gn BE-86 (61F) 3 979 61F 30.0 in Hg 147 312.82 144 12/31/2021 14:45
4.5gn BE-86 (61F) 4 972 61F 30.0 in Hg 147 308.36 143 12/31/2021 14:46
4.5gn BE-86 (61F) 5 973 61F 30.0 in Hg 147 308.99 143 12/31/2021 14:46
4.5gn BE-86 (61F) 6 988 61F 30.0 in Hg 147 318.59 145 12/31/2021 14:46
4.5gn BE-86 (61F) 7 976 61F 30.0 in Hg 147 310.9 143 12/31/2021 14:46
4.5gn BE-86 (61F) 8 989 61F 30.0 in Hg 147 319.24 145 12/31/2021 14:46
4.5gn BE-86 (61F) 9 987 61F 30.0 in Hg 147 317.95 145 12/31/2021 14:47
4.5gn BE-86 (61F) 10 979 61F 30.0 in Hg 147 312.82 144 12/31/2021 14:47
Name 4.5gn BE-86 (43F)
Notes N/A
Number of Shots 10
Extreme Spread 53
Average 973
Standard Deviation 15
Power Factor Average 143
Power Factor Low 138
Power Factor High 146
Shot List Index Velocity Temperature Barometric Pressure Bullet Weight Ft/lbs Power Factor Date
4.5gn BE-86 (43F) 1 970 43F 30.3 in Hg 147 307.09 143 12/25/2021 15:30
4.5gn BE-86 (43F) 2 973 43F 30.3 in Hg 147 308.99 143 12/25/2021 15:31
4.5gn BE-86 (43F) 3 978 43F 30.3 in Hg 147 312.18 144 12/25/2021 15:31
4.5gn BE-86 (43F) 4 985 43F 30.3 in Hg 147 316.66 145 12/25/2021 15:31
4.5gn BE-86 (43F) 5 998 43F 30.3 in Hg 147 325.08 147 12/25/2021 15:31
4.5gn BE-86 (43F) 6 979 43F 30.3 in Hg 147 312.82 144 12/25/2021 15:31
4.5gn BE-86 (43F) 7 952 43F 30.3 in Hg 147 295.8 140 12/25/2021 15:32
4.5gn BE-86 (43F) 8 981 43F 30.3 in Hg 147 314.1 144 12/25/2021 15:32
4.5gn BE-86 (43F) 9 945 43F 30.3 in Hg 147 291.47 139 12/25/2021 15:33
4.5gn BE-86 (43F) 10 977 43F 30.3 in Hg 147 311.54 144 12/25/2021 15:33
Name 4.3gn BE-86
Notes N/A
Number of Shots 10
Extreme Spread 27
Average 916
Standard Deviation 9
Power Factor Average 134
Power Factor Low 132
Power Factor High 136
Shot List Index Velocity Temperature Barometric Pressure Bullet Weight Ft/lbs Power Factor Date
4.3gn BE-86 1 901 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 264.96 132 12/23/2021 13:56
4.3gn BE-86 2 924 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 278.66 136 12/23/2021 13:56
4.3gn BE-86 3 927 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 280.47 136 12/23/2021 13:56
4.3gn BE-86 4 913 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 272.06 134 12/23/2021 13:56
4.3gn BE-86 5 913 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 272.06 134 12/23/2021 13:56
4.3gn BE-86 6 917 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 274.45 135 12/23/2021 13:56
4.3gn BE-86 7 925 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 279.26 136 12/23/2021 13:57
4.3gn BE-86 8 900 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 264.37 132 12/23/2021 13:57
4.3gn BE-86 9 917 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 274.45 135 12/23/2021 13:57
4.3gn BE-86 10 923 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 278.05 136 12/23/2021 13:57
Name 4.1gn BE-86
Notes N/A
Number of Shots 10
Extreme Spread 51
Average 881
Standard Deviation 14
Power Factor Average 129
Power Factor Low 125
Power Factor High 132
Shot List Index Velocity Temperature Barometric Pressure Bullet Weight Ft/lbs Power Factor Date
4.1gn BE-86 1 852 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 236.92 125 12/23/2021 13:53
4.1gn BE-86 2 881 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 253.32 130 12/23/2021 13:53
4.1gn BE-86 3 892 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 259.69 131 12/23/2021 13:53
4.1gn BE-86 4 884 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 255.05 130 12/23/2021 13:53
4.1gn BE-86 5 903 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 266.13 133 12/23/2021 13:53
4.1gn BE-86 6 877 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 251.03 129 12/23/2021 13:54
4.1gn BE-86 7 882 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 253.9 130 12/23/2021 13:54
4.1gn BE-86 8 879 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 252.17 129 12/23/2021 13:54
4.1gn BE-86 9 871 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 247.61 128 12/23/2021 13:54
4.1gn BE-86 10 897 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 262.61 132 12/23/2021 13:54
Name 3.9gn BE-86
Notes N/A
Number of Shots 10
Extreme Spread 54
Average 861
Standard Deviation 18
Power Factor Average 126
Power Factor Low 123
Power Factor High 131
Shot List Index Velocity Temperature Barometric Pressure Bullet Weight Ft/lbs Power Factor Date
3.9gn BE-86 1 843 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 231.94 124 12/23/2021 13:50
3.9gn BE-86 2 895 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 261.44 132 12/23/2021 13:50
3.9gn BE-86 3 892 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 259.69 131 12/23/2021 13:50
3.9gn BE-86 4 846 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 233.6 124 12/23/2021 13:50
3.9gn BE-86 5 874 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 249.31 128 12/23/2021 13:51
3.9gn BE-86 6 852 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 236.92 125 12/23/2021 13:51
3.9gn BE-86 7 858 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 240.27 126 12/23/2021 13:51
3.9gn BE-86 8 853 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 237.48 125 12/23/2021 13:51
3.9gn BE-86 9 841 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 230.84 124 12/23/2021 13:51
3.9gn BE-86 10 857 42F 30.3 in Hg 147 239.71 126 12/23/2021 13:51
Name Federal 147gn HST
Notes CZ-75BD
Number of Shots 10
Extreme Spread 49
Average 1004
Standard Deviation 15
Power Factor Average 147
Power Factor Low 143
Power Factor High 150
Shot List Index Velocity Temperature Barometric Pressure Bullet Weight Ft/lbs Power Factor Date
Federal 147gn HST 1 1020 77F 29.9 in Hg 147 339.57 150 8/1/2021 12:46
Federal 147gn HST 2 1002 77F 29.9 in Hg 147 327.69 147 8/1/2021 12:46
Federal 147gn HST 3 1006 77F 29.9 in Hg 147 330.31 148 8/1/2021 12:46
Federal 147gn HST 4 1022 77F 29.9 in Hg 147 340.9 150 8/1/2021 12:47
Federal 147gn HST 5 1018 77F 29.9 in Hg 147 338.24 150 8/1/2021 12:47
Federal 147gn HST 6 994 77F 29.9 in Hg 147 322.48 146 8/1/2021 12:47
Federal 147gn HST 7 1016 77F 29.9 in Hg 147 336.91 149 8/1/2021 12:47
Federal 147gn HST 8 1006 77F 29.9 in Hg 147 330.31 148 8/1/2021 12:47
Federal 147gn HST 9 973 77F 29.9 in Hg 147 308.99 143 8/1/2021 12:47
Federal 147gn HST 10 990 77F 29.9 in Hg 147 319.89 146 8/1/2021 12:47