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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ CLONE CLUB => Topic started by: mig1nc on September 04, 2016, 07:27:49 AM
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Any news? Been announced for quite a while now.
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Nope! Not a word, yet. :-[
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Bummer. That's one sweet looking piece. The modern ergonomic updates really look comfortable.
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The CM9 gen 1 is branded the K2P in the states, I would assume the gen 2 will be branded the same. I bought one in January and it's such a great gun.
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Yeah, I'll be on the lookout for a K2P Gen-2.
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Yeah, I'll be on the lookout for a K2P Gen-2.
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Do you have a gen 1?
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Reasonable Speculation
Could also be a case of where Military Contracts come first and Commercial Civilian Sales come later, after the existing supply of the CM9 Gen 1's get sold off.
It's probably going to be awhile, so don't hold your breath on it. Just keep a watchful eye out. ;)
Both Sarsilmaz and Canik have made good names for themselves in the USA market and I'm sure they want to keep the proverbial ball rolling! :)
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Classic Firearms and Grabagun have them.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/sarsilmaz-cm9-gen2-9mm
http://grabagun.com/trs-cm9-gen2-9mm-3-8-17rd.html
Who's going to get one first?
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Classic Firearms and Grabagun have them.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/sarsilmaz-cm9-gen2-9mm
http://grabagun.com/trs-cm9-gen2-9mm-3-8-17rd.html
Who's going to get one first?
Sweet! 8) Right now my budget says "No", but I'm still thinking about it. ;)
Interesting that these are coming in via TR Imports and not EAA. https://www.trimports.com/product-category/handguns/
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Neither the Gen 1 or the Gen 2 grips look very "grippy". The grips on the Witness Poly Compact didn't either, but I think they are quite grippy so I could be wrong. Looks nice, but I just have no actual need for a poly full size gun. Not sure why there aren't more guns like the XD-45 Compact where there is a 4" (or 3" on the sub-compact) barrel and shortened grip that can be extended with a mag sleeve. I like the concept so much I bought one... :)
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Neither the Gen 1 or the Gen 2 grips look very "grippy". The grips on the Witness Poly Compact didn't either, but I think they are quite grippy so I could be wrong.
My "solution" to that came in the form of a full size Hogue Handall grip sleeve. I liked it so much, I did it to my SAR B6P as well.
A side note is that most of my metal framed Cz Clones wear the Hogue Cz75 Wrap around Finger Groove Grips.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/549/medium/SAR_B6P_K2P.jpg)
EAA imported SAR B6P and K2P 9mm Pistols
Chances are, were I to acquire an SAR CM9 Gen 2, I would probably do the same thing, yet again. At least I'm consistent. :)
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Classic Firearms and Grabagun have them.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/sarsilmaz-cm9-gen2-9mm
http://grabagun.com/trs-cm9-gen2-9mm-3-8-17rd.html
Who's going to get one first?
I must say, those are some really good prices. 8) I'm not smitten with the Gen 2, but I kinda wish I could get one early on if
the first imports are coming in marked as CM9s, with later production coming in as K2Ps. Then again, maybe they're phasing out
the K2P name...
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I'd heat stipple the bedickens out of it.
Gonna have to agree, that fingerprint pattern kinda weirds me out. :o
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I have no idea how they feel, but I like the looks of the grips. In fact, I think the pistol looks more modern overall.
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Indeed. They really seem to have tried to modernize the design. Including backstraps.
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Classic Firearms has the Gen2 SAR CM9 for $289.99
https://www.classicfirearms.com/sarsilmaz-cm9-gen2-9mm (https://www.classicfirearms.com/sarsilmaz-cm9-gen2-9mm)
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Thanks for the tip I bought one.
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Who's going to get one first?
Thanks for the tip I bought one.
That answers that question! :)
Congratulations, Brian! 8) I'm sure you will post a good review of it. :)
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I could not pass that up at that price!
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I like the look of them but I have no use for a semi compact. If they were 12-13 rounds with a compact grip I'd grab one.
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I used to carry 6 or seven shots pistols all the time ,but not any more . 12 to 13 rounds is not bad ,but if this one is like the original K2P then a 19 round Mecgar should fit . 20 rounds with one in the chamber should do nicely. In our little town of 26,,000 residents an hour and 1/2 out of New York City shootings are almost a daily occurrence ,gangs are now norm. Plus they estimate that we have another 8000 illegals. Had a murder a week ago at the local autozone parts store right out front about a mile and a 1/2 from my shop. The days of small capacity handguns are over around here. They are backup guns now. This new Sar will make another nice combat handgun for my shop or house or carry.
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OK, help a "newbie" out. What are the differences between the "old" K2P and the "new" CM9 and the supposed advantages?
Thanks.
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OK, help a "newbie" out. What are the differences between the "old" K2P and the "new" CM9 and the supposed advantages?
More current styling, improved Trigger shape, and interchangeable sized back straps. I won't be selling off or gifting off my "Old" K2P, anytime soon.
I carried my "old" K2P for two Winters until I went Striker Fired for carry, then went with my Canik TP9V1.
First Generation with Tanfoglio derivative Frame
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OK, I couldn't resist. I bought one.
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ill be very interested to hear what Bret and Brian report back about this pistol as I too have had my eye on it for a little while.
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Shouid have mine before the week is out.
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Mine is here already ,out of the box SA trigger pull is 5.7 to 5.6lbs on average, DA pull came in at 11.35 lbs a tad heavy but manageable. Mecgar 19 rounder popped right in, I like being able to have 20 capacity if I need it. I like the recurve style of this trigger over the sharper curve on the K2P trigger. I like the grip changes ,gut there are some rough spots where the interchangeable back straps meet the frame. Easy fix with some 400 or 600 grit sandpaper. For $289 plus the shipping should be another winner. It is marked TR Imports Inc Fort Worth TX on the left rear slide in front of the serrations. Love the grip feel. I will get some range time in and see how I like the trigger.
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Other than the shape of the trigger, my K2P is the most perfect looking gun I have ever seen. In fact the only reason I bought it was because of the looks. At 279 I didn't care if it was junk, didn't intend to carry it. Turned out to be a good buy, in fact I think it is the best value to quality pistol on the market. So anyway the CM9 is almost as beautiful, I don't like the finger indent on the sides and certainly don't like the grip face.
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ahhhh too many options for my first clone, i dont know what to do, im looking for a budget buy under 300 as well, and i really had my eyes on this gen-2 but now im not sure.
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I came close to pulling the trigger on one of these, but I won a Sig 226 so it will have to wait. So many toys out there to buy, with so little money. Life is cruel.
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Here's mine. It has the serial number on the frame, on top of the slide and on the barrel.
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this looks pretty awesome, i am going to look around to see if i can put hands on one, would like something light, reliable, and cheap that i can shoot whatever ammunition through it and not worry about if it gets beat up
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How do you like the new grip?
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I like the feel of it so far, but I've never felt the previous version and I have yet to shoot this pistol.
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I have both ,I like the restyled grip on the CM9 , however due to the recent dumping of snow her I still have yet to get to the range and shoot it, hopefully by Thursday or Friday I will have that taken care of.
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cant wait to hear range reports. if anyone can take range photos would appreciate it! thank you guys
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Bret, Very very Nice! 8) Congratulations! :)
I may have to get one of these.
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Yesterday when I was lubing my new CM9, I did notice that the pistol overall seemed tight. The manual safety is very hard to manipulate. I was wondering if the tightness might lead to reliability problems.
Today I took it to an indoor range and shot 50rds of Winchester 124gr FMJ NATO, 50rds of Remington 115gr FMJ nickel cased, and 50rds of Geco 124gr FMJ. The pistol functioned 100%. Spent case ejection was kind of weak, but they all cleared out of the pistol. Toward the end of the session, the slide did hesitate going forward a couple of times, but it did return fully to battery every single time. It appears to me that this was due to residue on the feed ramp. It's kind of surprising that there would even be residue on the feed ramp as the barrel appears to be entirely chrome plated. For me the pistol tended to shoot low and left. If I really concentrated, it wouldn't do this as much. I was shooting at 15 feet at saucer sized targets on paper. Accuracy was pretty good, certainly better than I expected. I'm planning on changing out the back strap to the largest size and adjusting the slide a bit. The tools to accomplish both these tasks came with the pistol.
Overall I really like the CM9 and think it's a great value for what I paid. I'd definitely recommend it. Now to find a couple of more magazines.
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Yesterday when I was lubing my new CM9, I did notice that the pistol overall seemed tight. The manual safety is very hard to manipulate. I was wondering if the tightness might lead to reliability problems.
Today I took it to an indoor range and shot 50rds of Winchester 124gr FMJ NATO, 50rds of Remington 115gr FMJ nickel cased, and 50rds of Geco 124gr FMJ. The pistol functioned 100%. Spent case ejection was kind of weak, but they all cleared out of the pistol. Toward the end of the session, the slide did hesitate going forward a couple of times, but it did return fully to battery every single time. It appears to me that this was due to residue on the feed ramp. It's kind of surprising that there would even be residue on the feed ramp as the barrel appears to be entirely chrome plated. For me the pistol tended to shoot low and left. If I really concentrated, it wouldn't do this as much. I was shooting at 15 feet at saucer sized targets on paper. Accuracy was pretty good, certainly better than I expected. I'm planning on changing out the back strap to the largest size and adjusting the slide a bit. The tools to accomplish both these tasks came with the pistol.
Overall I really like the CM9 and think it's a great value for what I paid. I'd definitely recommend it. Now to find a couple of more magazines.
Sounds like it just needs breaking in. I always run 100 rds of 115, 100 rds of 147, in that order and then stick with 124 after that. By 500 rds it should feel like a different pistol.
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It feels good already. So long as it's reliable, I'd rather have a pistol that's tight and ejects a little weakly than loose and tossing spent cases to the moon.
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They are back in stock at classicarms.com
Also, I found this site, looks like a new importer of some SAR products; including the CM9 Gen 2
https://www.trimports.com/product-category/handguns/
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Yesterday when I was lubing my new CM9, I did notice that the pistol overall seemed tight. The manual safety is very hard to manipulate. I was wondering if the tightness might lead to reliability problems.
What people don't realize is that Sarsilmaz has a sprawling state-of-the-art facility in Turkey that is relatively new. Their firearms are built from parts with exact specifications and tolerances, that's why the safety seems difficult to operate. The quickest way to smooth it out is to lay the pistol in your lap the next time you sit down to watch your favorite TV show, and mindlessly operate the safety while watching. That's the method I used on my B6P and B6P compact, probably 1,000 cycles on each one, and the difference in ease of operation is like night and day by the time you're done.
Similar method to smooth out the trigger before even going to the range: Cock the hammer with trigger hand, offhand thumb setting over firing pin, pull trigger letting hammer fall on thumb. Lather, rinse, repeat at least 500 times, not really hard to do that many times if you're on autopilot while absorbed in a TV show or movie.
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RabbleRouser, that is how I broke in my B6P. By the time I got to the range with it, it shot like an old friend. The only thing I question on the CM9 is the more aggressive backstrap to beavertail junction. It looks a lot more angular, and might be uncomfortable for smaller hands. To me, the new design's look is very reminiscent of a Smith, much more than a CZ. I notice, too, the cheesy US map trademark is changed also. I wonder... Did they de-horn the trigger for the CM9? My B6P trigger has very sharp edges. It can be a little chafing in a long range session. That is my only complaint with my B6P. It is my favorite range gun.
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TR Imports is selling magazines for this pistol.
http://www.trimports.com/product/magazine-cm9-gen2/
I ordered three and they arrived today.
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I accidentally screwed up my ordered and bought seven magazines instead of three. I sent them an email and Austin straightened it out. A+ for customer service and packaging. The box was small, but they actually wrapped each magazine in bubble wrap for protection.
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TR Imports is selling magazines for this pistol.
http://www.trimports.com/product/magazine-cm9-gen2/
I ordered three and they arrived today.
I accidentally screwed up my ordered and bought seven magazines instead of three. I sent them an email and Austin straightened it out. A+ for customer service and packaging. The box was small, but they actually wrapped each magazine in bubble wrap for protection.
My curiosity's gotten the best of me, did you wind up with 7 for the price of 3 today, or had they split the order and sent 3 with the other 4 to follow?
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I accidentally ordered seven and was charged for seven. When I realized my mistake, I sent an email to them. They then refunded me for four and only shipped three.
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I finally got to shoot mine this morning. All my Sar pistols that have with adjustable sights always shot left initially ,this one shot a little low, a quick sight adjustment and it shot right where you pointed. I ran 125 round mixed ammo through it zero issues so far. With basic function testing concluded I did some double tapping playing cards at 7 yards. I only missed a couple of times and that was me. I repeated the double tap session with the new Jericho 4.4 ploy pistol that I got last month and did about the same. I like the grips on both of these pistols. Both are very nice shooters and well you just can't beat the price on the Sar. I paid $308.00 with shipping. The Sar shoots just like all the rest of my Sars ,it's a keeper.
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Just one other thing that I forgot to mention, I have a Alien Gear CZ 75 compact holster that I carry my P1 Ultra and CZ's in everyday, it did not fit I might have to adjust it or try my leather holster or just have a Kydex one made for it. I will let you know if it fits my other holsters.
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awesome, thank you so much for your updates, i gotta find one of these in person to handle
is the grip profile full size or mid size? trying to compare to the "sp-01c" and also a ruger american compact (the ruger includes a full size mag with a mag sleeve that makes it almost a full size grip).
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It comes with extra back strap grip sections 2 of them so you can size the grip to your hand. I will run a couple hundred more rounds down the pipe on Friday, this one is a winner so far.
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appreciate the reply, i mean the grip height, not the backstraps, is it a full size grip, a mid size grip, or a compact grip (i guess a glock 17 is classified as full/mid-size, and glock 19 mid-size/compact in their terms). that's what i meant to ask
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It is a full size grip has 17 rounds mags and takes my Megar 19 rounder no problem.
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nice! thank you exactly what i was wondering, and sorry i think you may have already mentioned it before, my apologies. im trying to decide between the SAR CM9 gen2 or the Canik TP9SF elite. But I like the profile and styling of both... both are affordable too, I only have room for 1 more pistol for now :(
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$287.49 here:
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/tr-sarsilmaz-cm9-gen2-9mm-luger-semi-auto-pistol-38-barrel-17-rounds-polymer-frame-black-812052022783.do?utm_source=slickguns&utm_medium=referral
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I got to handle one of these Tuesday, but couldn't shoot it. I like the grip better than the Sar K2P, and I'm happy it's not as aggressive as some newer guns seem to be. Overly aggressive, IMHO. I don't understand the point of grips that are basically painful, like my just sold FNS-40. And I'm not thrilled with sanding down the grip on a new gun just to make it tolerable to shoot.
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I finally bit on one without shooting it first. Seems to be a CZ P-07 clone more than anything, and I like that gun, so we'll see.
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I finally bit on one without shooting it first. Seems to be a CZ P-07 clone more than anything, and I like that gun, so we'll see.
Would love to see a report on the comparison to the P07. Accuracy, recoil, weight, size, etc. it seems thick, but the grip is nicer than the p07. The trigger beats any CZ hands down. But of course for now the gun is unsupported.
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these just came down to $249 on classic firearms. and i just moved to a new state cant purchase a new pistol here, sunnova...
if you did buy it you can screenshot this price and use price protection (I know discover allows to be used on firearms, not sure about other companies). hopefully you can get $40 back
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Dang, that $249 is oh so tempting
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It really is. While this gun is unproven, I'd bet it works well. I would expect the trigger to be amazing. I'm telling you the gun I handled used in a local shop was this price, and the trigger was as good as a SIG Legion - easily. And it takes 17 rd MecGars. The polymer did feel a bit flimsy by the muzzle - (are they all this way?). But for a car/truck gun you cannot lose.
These have the same sights as the old model - right? NO OPTIONS? I guess no holsters for it either?
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Would love to see a report on the comparison to the P07. Accuracy, recoil, weight, size, etc.
THIS ^^^
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The PO7 in decocker model would be my choice for carry over this one, only because its a decocker. As far as shooting goes I really like the new CM9 single action trigger is great, double action is much better than what you get on the new AREX Zero Sig clone. The CM9 Sar is now even a better value at $249.00 plus shipping. Two months ago I payed $279.00 plus shipping. I am going to add a light to mine and use it as a house gun. You could carry it at half cock and shoot it double action for your carry gun ,but I would advise getting the PO7 Duty in decock form for carry. The PO7 has aftermarket support, night sights ,fiber optic sights Cajun Gunworks Parts for a better trigger ,holsters ,etc. Like I said you could carry the Sar, but there will not be any aftermarket support at this time ,maybe down the road if the pistols become more popular. For the price that they are selling at I may get another one just for a spare. I enjoy shooting it and it has worked well so far, construction is good and price is fantastic.
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Anyone shoot this AND a P07? Comparison please.
It is a crying shame that a gun with a trigger this good has no real support. No sights, holsters, etc. Heck - if it had decent fixed sights I may have ordered it already.
If it were a 15 rd gun with P07 form factor I'd also order it.
Will the Witness P sights work?????
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They feel very good in the hand. Normally finger grooves stank, but these are very large and gently sloped and it feels good in the hand. The one criticism I have is what seems to be excessive over travel on the double action trigger pool. I also think it does feel a bit flimsy up front in The dustcover.
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I shot both a P-07 and my CM9 G2 Mon morning, and I would think since they are almost the same size, that a holster for a P-07 would work OK, as long as the fit isn't too tight. The CM9 is a tiny bit bigger than the P-07, and a little bit heavier too. I don't care much about the decocker, it wouldn't make or break me buying or keeping it. The sights are ok, I will eventually figure something out to upgrade them, or someone else will. That's why it's so great to be alive now, info gets spread around very quickly and isn't lost, or misplaced. I've learned more about working on guns in the last 6 months than I have in the almost 40 years since I started shooting. Almost all of it from Youtube videos. I didn't notice it being flimsy anywhere, but I honestly forgot to check for it. The DA trigger on the CM9 is better than on the P-07, IMHO, SA is a little better on the P-07, but my friend's P-07 has about 500 rounds through it, so we will see. The grip is just about perfect, to me, no excess "texturing", and it just fits my medium sized hand great, with the backstrap that comes on it out of the box.
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So hemiram: how do they compare shooting? Accuracy? Recoil? Ability to get back on target? Muzzle flip? Ability to reach controls without shifting hand? Thanks.
(The specimen I handled in an LGS seemed to have plenty of overtravel in da.)
The 'flimsy part' is the dust cover. If you look at the P07 it is stiff and the SLIDE RIDES inside on a rail inside of the dust cover. On the CM9, it is just there - kind of sitting under the slide and you can squeeze it and compress it easily with your fingers - I've never seen this on any other polymer framed gun. If you squeeze the P07 there is NO GIVE. It just makes me wonder at the content of the polymer, and how the steel and polymer interfaces if it is too soft.
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The 'flimsy part' is the dust cover. If you look at the P07 it is stiff and the SLIDE RIDES inside on a rail inside of the dust cover. On the CM9, it is just there - kind of sitting under the slide and you can squeeze it and compress it easily with your fingers - I've never seen this on any other polymer framed gun. If you squeeze the P07 there is NO GIVE. It just makes me wonder at the content of the polymer, and how the steel and polymer interfaces if it is too soft.
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I own both the K2P (CM9 Gen1) and the new Gen 2. The first thing I noticed was the thin polymer in the dust cover area which is not a factor in the Gen 1. When I squeeze mine it actually clicks. My concern is what time, temperatures and use will have to do with slide movement. It does not seem it would take a whole lot of time, in typically changing and sometimes extreme temperatures, for there to be possible issues with warping, cracking or weakened polymer. I am a fan of Sarsilmaz, but I do have to question how this got through prefabrication given how noticeable it is. It certainly does not serve the idea that this is a a solid, well built firearm and I expect these won't be the only comments on this issue over time.
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Correct me if I am wrong ,but I believe that the CM9 pistol only has a service life of 25,000 rounds so for me at a $250 dollar price point I will not worry about it . I don't consider this pistol to be a pistol that I will shoot that hard. Now a canik TP9 is rated to 60,000 rounds different story if the poly was that flimsy I would be worried about it. This pistol was not designed to meet Military / heavy duty standards so I would never shoot it as hard as one of my CZ 75's. It's was designed to be a light duty shorter lifespan handgun not rated for plus P ammo. With normal use this is an excellent range or house duty gun and will perform well. I would not be afraid to use it as a carry pistol with standard hollow point ammo. So far my has performed very well with zero malfunctions.
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Correct me if I am wrong ,but I believe that the CM9 pistol only has a service life of 25,000 rounds so for me at a $250 dollar price point I will not worry about it .
Currently, 25,000 rounds is considered the normal service life of any Military Issue handgun, regardless of manufacture. This is a matter of policy on wear estimate that started with the Beretta M9 series Pistols, when adopted. However, they still shoot them till they break. Given proper care and maintenance, most any handgun may exceed that.
This pistol was not designed to meet Military / heavy duty standards
From what I have read, the SAR CM9 Gen 2's predecessor, the SAR K2P currently serves Turkish Army Non-Comm Officers and below. That EAA does not warrant use of +P ammunition in it, is probably a policy decision. That said, my carry ammunition for my SAR K2P is of standard pressure.
Speculation on my part is that the SAR CM9 Gen 2 was developed to compete as a Service Pistol. Were I in charge of the Turkish Military procurement, I would eventually phase out the SAR K2P's, as they wear out, and issue the Canik TP9SF's across the board. Currently, the TP9SF serves the Turkish Special Forces and the standard TP9V2 serves most commisioned Officers.
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Thanks for correcting me ,so still why the the big worry about the poly at the end of the frame from some of you guys that is my question? I will shoot this one till it breaks ,which I really don't see happening,but if it does at $250 just buy another one. This pistol just has a lot going for it at a $250 price,great trigger and ergo's, takes Mecgar and CZ mags ,shoots great and has adjustable rear sight. A lot of gun for $250.00 I like more than my original K2P which is an outstanding pistol, The only thing we have to worry about is the price going up!
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Its hard to really know anything definitive about these guns unless you are in the Turk military or contract world or both. I was considering the gun for a 'car gun', but still balked on the soft polymer. I have too many 9s already and probably need more sights, accessories than another 9. I just never felt a gun with plastic this cheesy feeling. Also the slide just sits on the frame - not inside (at least not on the front). If the plastic is this soft, it may not even be properly reinforced throughout. If it were $200 I might pass - I just like quality of build. Its a shame, because the grip and trigger felt great - and cheap mags.
SAR MAY be a first class firearms manufacturer. But the polymer in this gun didn't impress me. Reminds me of the Zastava AKs 2 years ago that went belly up when run over, when all other AKs don't. Probably not heat treated right - and this from an Eastern Bloc country KNOWN for firearms manufacturing. Likely were cutting corners on the civilian market to earn a buck. it can happen with other companies too.
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I get where you are coming from I balked on the new CZ P10C seeing too many issues on these pistols at a $500.00 price point so I will wait for Dave at Cajun to make some improvements and fixes. Instead I am thinking that I will invest my money in the Steyr M9 A1 pistol instead something that has seen a lot of improvement since it's inception back around 1999 or so. For now I will keep pounding the crap out of my CM9 every time that I go to the range, if it breaks I will report back. I am about to start a thread about a Grand power pistol issue that I had occur back in January in the general firearms section, supposedly a new pistol is finally on the way to me,so I can understand someone not being sure about buying something. It's sad to though that I have personally experienced more issues with higher cost handguns and I have only had one Sar failure in the last 7 years ,which was a broken trigger bar on a K2 45 ACP [over 5000 rounds} which was handled promptly when I called for a repair. I am hard on handguns and I admit to that but guns in the $500 and up range should not be failing with usage under 5000 rounds , I have seen to many of these failures with multiple manufacturers, that does not help with having confidence in a product line. If I braek my CM9 you will here about it.
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Instead I am thinking that I will invest my money in the Steyr M9 A1 pistol instead something that has seen a lot of improvement since it's inception back around 1999 or so.
I have the Steyr L9A1, which has been excellent so far. Accurate and very very reliable. My only complaint about it is that the Magazines are a PITA to disassemble for cleaning.
As for the CM9 Gen 2, I still find it tempting, but I'm sticking with my old SAR K2P for now.
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Just picked my CM9 this evening and my initial impressions are very positive.
The polymer lower looks to be very high quality, the grip is very comfortable. Sarsilmaz includes 3 interchangeable backstraps (marked 1-2-3) but the smallest (1) which came installed seems like it will be the one I continue to use.
I would like the mag release to be a millimeter or two taller, but it's not a deal breaker.
The ambi safety came out of the case very stiff. After dinner I continually worked it on and off for 10-15 minutes or so and it's loosened up a bit, so I'll continue to work it and see if it continues to improve.
The slide is extremely well machined forged stainless steel and the cocking serrations are fairly aggressive.
The trigger on this thing is very impressive out of the box. I don't have a trigger gauge, but if I had to guess, I would say the DA pull is about 8-10 pounds. The SA trigger pull Imwould guess is 3-5 pounds. Very little take up, a nice crisp break, and the reset is short and audible.
The barrel is forged stainless steel, it and the guide rod are finished in a very high polish. I don't beleive the barrel is chrome lined, but I'm not sure about it.
I ordered it knowing it only came with one magazine (I've ordered a few more). It's well made, has witness holes, has a 15 round capacity and drops freely from the mag well.
The sights 3 dot and replaceable. The rear sight is adjustable. I'm not sure about aftermarket availability, but I'm going to start doing some research to see what I can find out.
Hope to get it to the range Saturday and put some rounds down range.
I'll be sure to report my findings. 👍🏼
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Nice! 8) Congratulations and may it serve you well! :) Looking forward to your Range Report on it, and do make it a separate thread! :)
The barrel is forged stainless steel, it and the guide rod are finished in a very high polish. I don't beleive the barrel is chrome lined, but I'm not sure about it.
Barrels made of Stainless Steel need not be Chrome lined, as Stainless Steel contains Chromium. Match Grade Barrels are often made of Stainless Steel.
Nitride Finished Barrels are now the hot ticket that will probably replace Chrome Lined and Stainless Steel Match Barrels.
I ordered it knowing it only came with one magazine (I've ordered a few more). It's well made, has witness holes, has a 15 round capacity and drops freely from the mag well.
So long as it will use the Mec-Gar Cz75B 17 and 19 round AFC Magazines, that's what I would use in it. I typically have carried my SAR K2P with the Mec-Gar Cz75B 17 round AFC Magazines.
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I didn't even think about the barrel being stainless when referencing the chrome lining.
*BRAIN FART*
I has just finished reading a thread asking if "clone" barrels where chrome lined and just focused on that question.
I've ordered a few of the factory mags from Trimports, but I plan on ordering one of the 19 round Mec-Gar mags ASAP.
I hope to add one of the K2Ps to my collection tool, they also look to be very nice.
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First post. I just bought a used K2P for the grand total of $200. Looks new and I haven't shot it yet. Looking into the K2P brought me here. I am thinking of the CM9 as well. Most of the people I shoot IDPA with have fairly pricey handguns. I am taking this K2P to the range and if anybody asks, I am going to tell them it's a High Point clone. ;D
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First post. I just bought a used K2P for the grand total of $200. Looks new and I haven't shot it yet. Looking into the K2P brought me here. I am thinking of the CM9 as well. Most of the people I shoot IDPA with have fairly pricey handguns. I am taking this K2P to the range and if anybody asks, I am going to tell them it's a High Point clone. ;D
Welcome to the Forum and Congratulations on getting your SAR K2P at a great price! :) Should make for a very good handgun for IDPA. I carried mine for two Winters and often go back to it.
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Nice! 8) Congratulations and may it serve you well! :) Looking forward to your Range Report on it, and do make it a separate thread! :)
The barrel is forged stainless steel, it and the guide rod are finished in a very high polish. I don't beleive the barrel is chrome lined, but I'm not sure about it.
Barrels made of Stainless Steel need not be Chrome lined, as Stainless Steel contains Chromium. Match Grade Barrels are often made of Stainless Steel.
Nitride Finished Barrels are now the hot ticket that will probably replace Chrome Lined and Stainless Steel Match Barrels.i have done some research and have found out that the barrels are chromed lined.
I ordered it knowing it only came with one magazine (I've ordered a few more). It's well made, has witness holes, has a 15 round capacity and drops freely from the mag well.
So long as it will use the Mec-Gar Cz75B 17 and 19 round AFC Magazines, that's what I would use in it. I typically have carried my SAR K2P with the Mec-Gar Cz75B 17 round AFC Magazines.
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I have done a few days worth of research and have found out that the barrels are chromed lined....by the way hello to everyone,my first post.
All by the way,this is reference to the cm9 gen 2,will not have it in my hand until next week though.i do own a t-100 Tristar also.
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finally caved and bought one...
im sure this has been asked and answered already, but i have been searching through the forums, blind to the answer.
does the eaa witness 22lr conversion fit the cm9gen2?
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... Mecgar 19 rounder popped right in, I like being able to have 20 capacity if I need it. ...
I did not buy the CM Gen 2 because I thought the magazines were proprietary rather than a CZ75 style?? I hope I am wrong.
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got out to the range today, and the cm9gen2 performed great (much better than me)!
it was super easy to shoot and get on target. i need to make a little bit of adjustment to my rear sight but otherwise its great.
not one issue with 2 different kinds of 115gr FMJ or 124gr JHP
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... Mecgar 19 rounder popped right in, I like being able to have 20 capacity if I need it. ...
I did not buy the CM Gen 2 because I thought the magazines were proprietary rather than a CZ75 style?? I hope I am wrong.
Consider your hope fulfilled! ;) Small Frame Tanfoglio Magazines, in addition to Cz75B Magazines, also work.
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The CM9 looks to be a handy CCW piece. I assume accurate as well?
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(https://i.imgur.com/HZnAeLD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HZnAeLD.jpg)
bought the hogue handall 17000 model, thanks to jwc advice. it gives me just the right amount of grip texture and palm fill in for my hand.
thanks jwc007!
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bought the hogue handall 17000 model, thanks to jwc advice. it gives me just the right amount of grip texture and palm fill in for my hand.
thanks jwc007!
You are most Welcome! :)
Great Pic! 8) It almost tempts me to sell my SAR K2P to my Brother-in-Law, who likes it, and go buy an SAR CM9 Gen 2. Almost! ;)
Then again, I could keep both. :)
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so cheap you should just add it to the collection!
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jwc007 quote.."....that most of my metal framed Cz Clones wear the Hogue Cz75 Wrap around Finger Groove Grips."
Do you know if those grips will fit the 2000 Mega????
RRR
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Do you know if those grips will fit the 2000 Mega????
Yes they will...........................but, I think you would be better served by the Hogue Cz75 Wrap-around Finger Groove Grips.
Quite a long time ago, I did try the Hogue Handall Slip On Grips on my full size Tanfoglio TA90, and it made the Grip much
too large for my liking. Instead, I found the Hogue Cz75 Wrap-around Finger Groove Grip to be more slimming and comfortable.
At least for my hands, anyways.
(http://i.imgur.com/kfkfVr7l.jpg) (https://imgur.com/kfkfVr7)
Tanfoglio Series 88 TA90
Tanfoglio Armscore RIA MAP1
Both with 19 round Mec-Gar Cz75 Magazines and Hogue Grips
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Perfect.....then...on your advise Hogue Cz75 Wrap-around Finger Groove Grips it shall be....
Gratzi
RRR
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The wrap around s work and fit great. Tnx for the advice.
Rocky
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The wrap around s work and fit great. Tnx for the advice.
Rocky
You are most Welcome! :)
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First time posting.
Cant help it I just gotta put my two cents worth in. This is about the flex issue on the frame. I have both a k2p and a cm9 gen2. My k2 with a bit of "squeeze" will flex as well. As for the cm9. It seems to have something to do with the serial number being attached to the bottom of the frame in the manner that it is. It leaves a hollow in the poly on the frame at the bottom. However the rails dont actually do anything this far down on the slide. Mine even has a larger gap on the right side than the left. It doesn't effect the performance whatsoever. All the stress is on the carrier back by the trigger. I'm sure you could cut that portion of the frame off and it would still perform perfectly. I sent pics to sar and they said they would replace the frame if necessary. I chose not to. It works perfect and there is no reason to be worried about it at all. At least in my opinion.