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CZ LONG ARMS => VZ-58 semi auto rifle => Topic started by: Glasspix on September 22, 2016, 06:05:41 PM
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Here it is, as ever, it is a definitive review. In case you are too busy to watch, we were all wrong, its not a reliable rifle after all, start selling...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boLT049AjXs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boLT049AjXs)
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He lost all credibility after Hungarian
I couldn't make it through the whole thing. Was the only problem failure to feed with brass cased ammo? I feel like a member here had the same problem. I've had zero failure to feeds in over 800 rounds of steel cased.
It's sad, most of his complaints about why he doesn't like it are reasons I like it :D
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Hungarian, AK variant, "standard AK muzzle device threading," etc... So much wrong info. He clearly was going through the motions on this one due to audience demand -- he wasn't open to it nor did he attempt to learn or verify what he was saying...
He's a knee deep AK guy, so there's no room in his system/philosophy for use for the VZ58 -- hence, the cold shoulder.
Uncertain about the condition of the gun overall and gen, but the following are my thoughts:
-Seems to be hanging up on the disconnector portion of the cycle
-Could be worn recoil and striker springs (not enough force to push it back into battery)
-Push down plate with bevel would help to make that disconnector disengagement less abrupt
-Ammo could be underpowered, not at all familiar w/ Red Army Standard brass
-Also could be related to the bolt dragging/hanging up on the lower receiver or ejector with those rails being a little too low on the later gen VZ2008s
And anyone using the Century slant on the gun is doing themselves a disservice. At the end of the vid, you can see the guy fighting the gun pulling sideways, which it wouldn't with any VZ58 specific brake or flash hider that doesn't affect recoil -- at the point in the video where he creepily says "daddy fixes" to the other dude...
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As an old friend of mine used to say, "that guy puts ants on me". I really don't see why he gets so many views on YT.
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Haven't watched it yet but if he's bashing our beloved Vz, I may just skip it. 😉
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I just skimmed. His beef is that the brass cased red army standard sometimes jammed. Sample of one gun and one type of ammo from my quick scan through... Not statistically significant.
I actually want to like Nutnfancy as I think he legitimately believes in what he's doing and I think has good intentions... However, anyone with an actual knowledge base quickly sees that all he's doing is bloviating from a rather limited knowledge base and a very specific to him and his own perspective...
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He lost all credibility after Hungarian
I couldn't make it through the whole thing. Was the only problem failure to feed with brass cased ammo? I feel like a member here had the same problem. I've had zero failure to feeds in over 800 rounds of steel cased.
It's sad, most of his complaints about why he doesn't like it are reasons I like it :D
AMDs are cool and weird, actually AKs, quite common on Century rebuilds right now, and everyone knows they're Hungarian... Really don't understand how he could confuse.
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I watched the bleep video!!!!! Ok, so he likes some of the features but had issues with brass cased ammo (we all know comblocs love steel). Since he's not a fan, he's not too familiar with the availability of accessories (sure, not nearly as prolific as in the AK world). My 2008 has been flawless since day 1. I like the 'uniqueness' of it. Not everybody and their dog has one. ? Oh and don't get me started on Nutn's 'tacticool' AK. LOL
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Listening to it as I'm doing other stuff -- sort of like talk radio; good background noise and you can listen in and out and still catch everything...
Around 9 min, he's talking about cheek slap and recoil being sharp. Cheek slap caused by slant brake, and recoil is probably weak recoil and striker springs (also quite possibly a contributing issue to brass cases jamming/not chambering).
He said receiver is milled aluminum! It's steel.
Compared the VZ58 action to the mini14 in regards to action exposure and debris!? The op-rod exposure on garand-style action (what causes the issue) vs the VZ58 isn't even close... Yes, they both have large ejection ports, but that's not relevant to the issue he's raising...
Says you can't use AK grips (not true per several member's mods here), or the Zhukov stock (clearly doesn't know about the RS Regulate adapter).
I made the mistake of reading some of the video comments. Just as much wrong information there masquerading as correct as in Nutnfancy's video itself...
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Good.
I'm glad nobody lent him a CSA Vz58, otherwise I'd have thousands more Long n Winded fanboys to compete with when Czechpoint puts their VZs on sale again...
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I've tried once again to watch one of this guy's videos but his egotistical blathering just turns my head to mush. I've never managed to make it through one and this is one no different. I suppose my takeaway should be to avoid the Hungarian VZs? He says we should take or leave his opinion - guess which I choose?
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A half hour of research before shooting and before publishing this video could have improved his shooting experience and saved him a lot of humiliation. Even though each hour of his videos have only about 10 minutes of actual content, the content was good. Or so I thought. I'd watch his videos to learn about things I knew little or nothing about. He always speaks with confidence and authority. Judging by the way he bull!@##ted through his VZ2008 review, he and his videos have lost most if not all credibility. Who knows how much of the knowledge that I'd thought I'd gleaned from him is just careless prattle.
Very sad.
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A half hour of research before shooting and before publishing this video could have improved his shooting experience and saved him a lot of humiliation. Even though each hour of his videos have only about 10 minutes of actual content, the content was good. Or so I thought. I'd watch his videos to learn about things I knew little or nothing about. He always speaks with confidence and authority. Judging by the way he bull!@##ted through his VZ2008 review, he and his videos have lost most if not all credibility. Who knows how much of the knowledge that I'd thought I'd gleaned from him is just careless prattle.
Very sad.
I kind of feel the same way. I have learned a lot about stuff that I will never have the chance to try, but this review has been a bit of an anitclimax. However, the rifle he was shooting did have numerous FTFs and I do not think it was user induced. Has anyone any thoughts on that or possible suggestions for a remedy?
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A half hour of research before shooting and before publishing this video could have improved his shooting experience and saved him a lot of humiliation. Even though each hour of his videos have only about 10 minutes of actual content, the content was good. Or so I thought. I'd watch his videos to learn about things I knew little or nothing about. He always speaks with confidence and authority. Judging by the way he bull!@##ted through his VZ2008 review, he and his videos have lost most if not all credibility. Who knows how much of the knowledge that I'd thought I'd gleaned from him is just careless prattle.
Very sad.
In the past he has said that he doesn't go on the forums or pay any attention to haters so as to not bias or cause him to change any of his reviews... Yeah, how's that working out?
Objectively, I think his gun reviews are getting worse. Don't know if he's making enough money now to do his "expedition"/living in a van thing full time now or what. Get the impression he's decided on his personal ultimate for the weapon side of his system, and isn't interested in re-evaluating anything or allowing anything to change that opinion...
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I kind of feel the same way. I have learned a lot about stuff that I will never have the chance to try, but this review has been a bit of an anitclimax. However, the rifle he was shooting did have numerous FTFs and I do not think it was user induced. Has anyone any thoughts on that or possible suggestions for a remedy?
Above:
Hungarian, AK variant, "standard AK muzzle device threading," etc... So much wrong info. He clearly was going through the motions on this one due to audience demand -- he wasn't open to it nor did he attempt to learn or verify what he was saying...
He's a knee deep AK guy, so there's no room in his system/philosophy for use for the VZ58 -- hence, the cold shoulder.
Uncertain about the condition of the gun overall and gen, but the following are my thoughts:
-Seems to be hanging up on the disconnector portion of the cycle
-Could be worn recoil and striker springs (not enough force to push it back into battery)
-Push down plate with bevel would help to make that disconnector disengagement less abrupt
-Ammo could be underpowered, not at all familiar w/ Red Army Standard brass
-Also could be related to the bolt dragging/hanging up on the lower receiver or ejector with those rails being a little too low on the later gen VZ2008s
And anyone using the Century slant on the gun is doing themselves a disservice. At the end of the vid, you can see the guy fighting the gun pulling sideways, which it wouldn't with any VZ58 specific brake or flash hider that doesn't affect recoil -- at the point in the video where he creepily says "daddy fixes" to the other dude...
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Has anybody actually made it all the way through a Nutnfancy video or is it just me? I think I got to something about the magazine release before I fell asleep on the couch. Might be his droning on and on and on but he sure is a good cure for insomnia.
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Has anybody actually made it all the way through a Nutnfancy video or is it just me? I think I got to something about the magazine release before I fell asleep on the couch. Might be his droning on and on and on but he sure is a good cure for insomnia.
This one was "only" 32 minutes long. Usually Long n Winded blathers on for 45+ minutes, so this was relatively succinct. Took me 3 tries but I finally got all the way through -- only because it was interspersed with lots of comedy relief as he spouted off a bunch of wrong info on the Vz58.
I'm glad he gave it a bad review so that people who know better can pick up a CSA Vz and not have to contend with his fanboys.
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I listen to his vids at work since I don't need to pay much attention. Hehehe... This is the first of his vids that I felt I had a better understanding of what he was 'reviewing' than he did. 😉
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Well, he did have a non folding stock version that might be one of the earlier Century builds that do have AK muzzle device threads (I have one like that).
First thing I thought of with the failure to feed is weak springs, it is a parts gun after all.
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With 600K+ subscribers he has a lot of fanboys and I'm happy with a negative review.
A rave review would certainly drive up competition in me procuring a 2nd one.
I certainly don't need his validation of my purchase.
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Personally i think is a little too late for his unfair and poor knowledgeable review of our loved and controversial rifle.Century sold so much of this rifles that they completely ran dry.After the needed modifications are done we are left with an excelente tool,specially for what we paid of..Let the haters do their thing I'll not let go of my vz for no reason at all ;) ;D
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Has anybody actually made it all the way through a Nutnfancy video or is it just me? I think I got to something about the magazine release before I fell asleep on the couch. Might be his droning on and on and on but he sure is a good cure for insomnia.
It makes good background noise... Actually, his voice with the 1.5x and 2x speeds you can do on youtube is pretty funny -- but with fast speed it becomes a distraction rather than background...
I listen to his vids at work since I don't need to pay much attention. Hehehe... This is the first of his vids that I felt I had a better understanding of what he was 'reviewing' than he did. 😉
Makes you wonder how much of an expert he actually is regarding content of earlier vids too!
Well, he did have a non folding stock version that might be one of the earlier Century builds that do have AK muzzle device threads (I have one like that).
First thing I thought of with the failure to feed is weak springs, it is a parts gun after all.
Good point, but I've also seen folks replace the folding stocks w/ fixed ones after the fact in an attempt to charge an extra $50-100. Looking at the receiver though, it looks like one of the latest gens. Does yours have the ORF/AWO receiver that looks like a standard Czech, or the more modern Century profile? My understanding on the LH thread barrels is that only some of the earliest examples in the AWO/ORF receivers received... Haven't seen them reported very often at all, so curious about your experience there as I've never witnessed in person.
With 600K+ subscribers he has a lot of fanboys and I'm happy with a negative review.
A rave review would certainly drive up competition in me procuring a 2nd one.
I certainly don't need his validation of my purchase.
I don't think it was fair and unbiased review, which bothers me. But the fact that he would convey information that is so exceptionally wrong and/or intentionally dishonest or otherwise negligent in that vid -- I find that offensive to both the weapon system and the time of anyone watching... YMMV.
Regarding competition, the more folks that have an interest, the better it is all for all concerned IMO. I really don't like the monopoly of Czechpoint on import, distribution, and retail -- and think the "rarity" is a business decision rather than an issue of supply... When folks take the course I believe Czechpoint is taking -- purely speculation, somewhat informed but no first person knowledge of internals of the company -- it hurts their customers as they're overcharging and it hurts their manufacturer as they are selling less product than they'd otherwise be able... And Czechpoint themselves could make more money with a higher volume of sales with slightly lower profit margins -- to me, it looks like obsession with profit per item rather than looking at overall business profits (i.e., an entity either with cashflow issues or limited business acumen). Again, all of this is speculation and not intended to slander/libel in any way, but as a consumer I have serious concerns anytime there's a monopoly and that monopoly fails to meet demand as seems to be the case with Czechpoint; and as a small businessman, something about the Czechpoint business model strikes me as off... (Do note I didn't even get into the substantially lower prices the Canadians pay for the same guns even if assuming that $1 USD = $1 CAD, which it doesn't... And Canadians have custom receivers, barrels, etc, these days too... But they have one importer but multiple distributors and retailers...)
Personally i think is a little too late for his unfair and poor knowledgeable review of our loved and controversial rifle.Century sold so much of this rifles that they completely ran dry.After the needed modifications are done we are left with an excelente tool,specially for what we paid of..Let the haters do their thing I'll not let go of my vz for no reason at all ;) ;D
Atlantic is selling them at $650 or so new right now IIRC. Anyone who purchased a firesale VZ2008 from AIM, PSA, etc, got a heck of a bargain.
My issue comes down to facts are facts, and bad information is no better than a lie. YMMV.
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It's the first time I'm giving nutn thumbs down on his youtube video
For lack of enthusiasm, lack of trying and FUDD.
Must be the aspartame...
Century primates notwithstanding.
:P
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Nutn's videos need to be watched with the annotations active as that's how he states corrections. The moment he stated that it's Hungarian there was an annotated correction.
It seemed like one of the most unenthusiastic reviews he's done, partially because the gun failed to feed many times and the review was highly demanded by fans to a person that has scant to no experience/knowledge of this rifle type. Then he did some research on it, including accessories available but it was obviously quick and inadequate.
If someone had given him a Czechpoint gun with adjustable stock, brake and scope rail the review would have probably been near completely positive. At the very end his son said he wanted to like it.
I get that his videos are long and not everyone's cup of tea but he certainly is thorough, sadly I think he should have skipped this one.
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Nutn's videos need to be watched with the annotations active as that's how he states corrections. The moment he stated that it's Hungarian there was an annotated correction.
Nobody's got time for that. His errors in the video far exceed any slip of the tongue. The content in that video beyond his personal experiences with that specific gun wasn't on point, whatever that reason.
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I really dislike his style of video.
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Life is too short to waste time with Long n Winded. Not only are his videos excruciatingly verbose, but they're full of errors and irritating, whiney opinions and are just downright boring.
Of the gun reviewers, the one's I find most informative, succinct and enjoyable to watch are (in order):
AK Operators' Union
Mr. Guns n Gear
Military Arms Channel
Hickok 45 is kind of long winded, but he's such an amiable old guy (not at all irritating) that he's at least entertaining, especially since he can regularly hit a gong at 300 yards with a hand gun. And I have to say I'm taking MAC with a grain of salt these days since he's now running a gun shop, but I think he's still fairly objective.
I'd really like to see Rob Ski / AKOU do a 5,000 rd. torture test on a CSA Vz58.
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Life is too short to waste time with Long n Winded. Not only are his videos excruciatingly verbose, but they're full of errors and irritating, whiney opinions and are just downright boring.
Of the gun reviewers, the one's I find most informative, succinct and enjoyable to watch are (in order):
AK Operators' Union
Mr. Guns n Gear
Military Arms Channel
Hickok 45 is kind of long winded, but he's such an amiable old guy (not at all irritating) that he's at least entertaining, especially since he can regularly hit a gong at 300 yards with a hand gun. And I have to say I'm taking MAC with a grain of salt these days since he's now running a gun shop, but I think he's still fairly objective.
I'd really like to see Rob Ski / AKOU do a 5,000 rd. torture test on a CSA Vz58.
Would love to see that also, but a failure of any sort would be a never ending criticism over on ak files
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Would love to see that also, but a failure of any sort would be a never ending criticism over on ak files
Does that criticism not already exist amongst the AK fanboys/apologists? Unless it's a Valmet or Galil, I really doubt the average AK to be superior to the average Czech vZ58.
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All great comments on this thread, and not a lot to be added. Meataxe wins for my favorite thoughts, as we are on the same page as YT vlogs go.
We heard NF was looking for a Vz58 loner. Can't get myself to watch the video, as I gave up on his semi-informed vlog post novellas at least 2 years ago -- truly cant see any value in them. Life is too short to waste watching NF videos.
If you want a real brain meat grinder watch NF hour long political commentary videos. I'll bet you cant make it to the end.
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All great comments on this thread, and not a lot to be added. Meataxe wins for my favorite thoughts, as we are on the same page as YT vlogs go.
We heard NF was looking for a Vz58 loner. Can't get myself to watch the video, as I gave up on his semi-informed vlog post novellas at least 2 years ago -- truly cant see any value in them. Life is too short to waste watching NF videos.
If you want a real brain meat grinder watch NF hour long political commentary videos. I'll bet you cant make it to the end.
I used to watch bits and pieces of his reviews when looking at potential purchases but he is too long winded. A great firearm review IMO is no longer than 10 minutes and should involve this:
-Firearm overview
-Function test (shooting)
-field strip to show disassembly
-some overall opinions
No need to talk for 20 minutes about every last detail
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OMG! Nutn makes 1 mistake and all here hate him! I do agree u watch 45 min for 10 min of info, however the dude I have probs with is Mac/Tim from Military Arms Channel.
Last yr. he made some tests on Body Armor and he showed it to be 3A but he called it level 2 despite the fact it said 3A on it and never corrected it, then in another vid same mike called 3A level 2 again, made some more vids with Armor penetration and on 1 he tested Liberty 9mm ammo and it blew the 3A to hell but then he took 1 round Bulgarian 7.62X25 Tok ammo and he was shocked about its damage.
Few months later tested more Tok ammo and gave wrong info about bullet weight etc.. and how hard its find surplus ammo, in his latest Armor test he uses PPU 7.62X25 against level 2 and it did not penetrate but he never one time mentioned the penetration of level 3A in his previous tests!
He don't know SH-T about Toks or the X25 ammo since anybody knows or should PPU ammo is so underpowered u got at best 1380-1400 fps where any other type gets 1650 fps + and 99% of X25 will defeat level 3A even the modern stuff, I do wish someone would test the "Rare M-48 Czech Steel Core Ammo".
In all my tests my M-48 ammo will defeat 3A, however I have never been able to get the fabled 1800+ fps from this 1952 made ammo, but 1450 fps at best!
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OMG! Nutn makes 1 mistake and all here hate him! I do agree u watch 45 min for 10 min of info, however the dude I have probs with is Mac/Tim from Military Arms Channel.
Last yr. he made some tests on Body Armor and he showed it to be 3A but he called it level 2 despite the fact it said 3A on it and never corrected it, then in another vid same mike called 3A level 2 again, made some more vids with Armor penetration and on 1 he tested Liberty 9mm ammo and it blew the 3A to hell but then he took 1 round Bulgarian 7.62X25 Tok ammo and he was shocked about its damage.
Few months later tested more Tok ammo and gave wrong info about bullet weight etc.. and how hard its find surplus ammo, in his latest Armor test he uses PPU 7.62X25 against level 2 and it did not penetrate but he never one time mentioned the penetration of level 3A in his previous tests!
He don't know SH-T about Toks or the X25 ammo since anybody knows or should PPU ammo is so underpowered u got at best 1380-1400 fps where any other type gets 1650 fps + and 99% of X25 will defeat level 3A even the modern stuff, I do wish someone would test the "Rare M-48 Czech Steel Core Ammo".
In all my tests my M-48 ammo will defeat 3A, however I have never been able to get the fabled 1800+ fps from this 1952 made ammo, but 1450 fps at best!
(https://p.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/render/mug-heart-v1/w-480/c-fff/keepr-calm-and-chill-bruh.png?v2)
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OMG! Nutn makes 1 mistake and all here hate him!
Not just one (1) mistake.