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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Curio and Relic CZs => Topic started by: Earl Keese on October 30, 2016, 05:31:52 PM
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A while back a buddy sold me a well used 70 for $100. I figured it would make a good candidate to learn how to slow rust blue. While I had it apart I did some internal polishing and broke some of the sharp edges to make it feel better in hand. I used Laurel Mountain's bluing solution and added a set of Tigerwood Marschal grips. Thanks to SP01SHADOW for putting up with my many questions.
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Finally managed to get the pics uploaded.
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Very nice! Congrats on the superb renewal of an oldie. Any issues with the fitting of the Marschal zebrawood grips, especially around the op lever?
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Thanks for the compliment! The grips required very minor fitting around the groove that fits around the back strap. Also, the left panel interferes with the de-cocking function. That isn't to say that quality isn't good, I think the grips transform the gun into something special. I was fortunate that he happened to have this set ready so I didn't have to wait for them to be made. I won't shoot this gun very often, but I enjoy looking at it and showing it off to friends. Everytime the safe is opened, I'm compelled to pick it up.
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A brand new one would not look any better. Outstanding job!
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Thanks!
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Whoa!
VERY nicely done. That pistol looks great!
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Whoa!
VERY nicely done. That pistol looks great!
Thanks!
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Good looking refinish.
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Astonishing what a nice bluing job can do for an older (non-minty) gun! Thinking I want to do that with my CZ 70 now! :D
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Earl,
I came up with a great system for rust bluing in the Winter months. I purchase one of those Vick's Vaporizers and put it in the bottom off a large wooden apple box that is 40" tall. Fill the vaporizer with water, add a little sea salt and you are in the rust bluing business! Hang you parts in the top and plug it up. I used some scrap plywood for the door and it made an excellent sweat box. Parts will turn red in less than 2 hours. Just thought I would pass it along.
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Astonishing what a nice bluing job can do for an older (non-minty) gun! Thinking I want to do that with my CZ 70 now! :D
Do it and post pics!
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Earl,
I came up with a great system for rust bluing in the Winter months. I purchase one of those Vick's Vaporizers and put it in the bottom off a large wooden apple box that is 40" tall. Fill the vaporizer with water, add a little sea salt and you are in the rust bluing business! Hang you parts in the top and plug it up. I used some scrap plywood for the door and it made an excellent sweat box. Parts will turn red in less than 2 hours. Just thought I would pass it along.
That's a great idea! My wife doesn't appreciate me hanging gun parts in the guest bathroom and filling the tub with hot water. Sounds like I need to build a sweatbox. I de-plated a pre-b this weekend, time to blue shortly.
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Astonishing what a nice bluing job can do for an older (non-minty) gun! Thinking I want to do that with my CZ 70 now! :D
Do it and post pics!
Forgive the noob question, but is it necessary to remove the old bluing first?
Do you have a link to the product you used for this? Thanks!
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That's very impressive. The grips look perfect for that gun. Very nice.
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Very nice! Did it seem scary to you, inducing rust on a gun instead of working to prevent it? First time I did it I was in a mild state of panic the entire time.
Astonishing what a nice bluing job can do for an older (non-minty) gun! Thinking I want to do that with my CZ 70 now! :D
Do it and post pics!
Forgive the noob question, but is it necessary to remove the old bluing first?
Do you have a link to the product you used for this? Thanks!
Yes. Rule of thumb, anytime you refinish anything, surface prep is always one of, if not the most important steps. If the surface isn't uniform, the refinish won't be uniform.
Birchwood Casey has a blue remover, main active ingredient is phosphoric acid. You probably won't drink sodas again for a while afterwards, it smells a little like old, flat, stale Coca-Cola. Then you realize the ingredient that's eating off the old finish is also a Coke ingredient going into your stomach...
What I found to be the easiest for me was to find a machine shop, or powder coating/welding/automotive shop with a blasting cabinet, then pay to have it bead blasted. Removes the old finish and leaves a uniform matte texture in it's place, which was easier for me to blacken. Most it ever cost me was $40. In my opinion, well worth the time and energy it saved me.
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Very nice! Did it seem scary to you, inducing rust on a gun instead of working to prevent it? First time I did it I was in a mild state of panic the entire time.
Astonishing what a nice bluing job can do for an older (non-minty) gun! Thinking I want to do that with my CZ 70 now! :D
Do it and post pics!
Forgive the noob question, but is it necessary to remove the old bluing first?
Do you have a link to the product you used for this? Thanks!
Yes. Rule of thumb, anytime you refinish anything, surface prep is always one of, if not the most important steps. If the surface isn't uniform, the refinish won't be uniform.
Birchwood Casey has a blue remover, main active ingredient is phosphoric acid. You probably won't drink sodas again for a while afterwards, it smells a little like old, flat, stale Coca-Cola. Then you realize the ingredient that's eating off the old finish is also a Coke ingredient going into your stomach...
What I found to be the easiest for me was to find a machine shop, or powder coating/welding/automotive shop with a blasting cabinet, then pay to have it bead blasted. Removes the old finish and leaves a uniform matte texture in it's place, which was easier for me to blacken. Most it ever cost me was $40. In my opinion, well worth the time and energy it saved me.
I would so much like to have a cabinet. I know I would find all sorts of uses for it! :D
I'm remotely terrified at the prospect of taking this apart again. It was a challenge to reassemble the first time...
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Very nice! Did it seem scary to you, inducing rust on a gun instead of working to prevent it? First time I did it I was in a mild state of panic the entire time.
Astonishing what a nice bluing job can do for an older (non-minty) gun! Thinking I want to do that with my CZ 70 now! :D
Do it and post pics!
Forgive the noob question, but is it necessary to remove the old bluing first?
Do you have a link to the product you used for this? Thanks!
Yes. Rule of thumb, anytime you refinish anything, surface prep is always one of, if not the most important steps. If the surface isn't uniform, the refinish won't be uniform.
Birchwood Casey has a blue remover, main active ingredient is phosphoric acid. You probably won't drink sodas again for a while afterwards, it smells a little like old, flat, stale Coca-Cola. Then you realize the ingredient that's eating off the old finish is also a Coke ingredient going into your stomach...
What I found to be the easiest for me was to find a machine shop, or powder coating/welding/automotive shop with a blasting cabinet, then pay to have it bead blasted. Removes the old finish and leaves a uniform matte texture in it's place, which was easier for me to blacken. Most it ever cost me was $40. In my opinion, well worth the time and energy it saved me.
I would so much like to have a cabinet. I know I would find all sorts of uses for it! :D
I'm remotely terrified at the prospect of taking this apart again. It was a challenge to reassemble the first time...
Lol, that's not something I'd know anything about, I've never owned any CZ handgun. I'm only on this forum because I recently acquired a CZ 527 carbine and wanted to learn a bit and ask some questions.
But I have refinished a few others here and there.
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If the gun is blued to start with, you don't have to remove it. Just start filing/sanding as required. White vinegar removed the remaining factory blue no problem.
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I found some stuff that removes rust, old bluing and phosphate like magic. It's called Evapo-Rust. It is safe and has little to no smell. I just fill a Tupperware bowl with it until it covers the gun and let it sit overnight. It will remove everything but Polycoat but it takes the phosphate off of the metal after you remove the Polycoat in a short while. It also works well on Parkerized guns. I buy it by the gallon off of Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Evapo-Rust-ER012-Original-Super-Remover/dp/B00M0TLQ66/ref=pd_sim_263_5?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=T6N2NXDE0H4KNA1TGCM9
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looks nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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looks nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks! I don't shoot it much, but it gets handled quite a bit.
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It was crazy to learn that Laurel Mountain is only a 30 min drive from me in my home state. I would love to give this a try though I feel like it may not turn out so good.
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It was crazy to learn that Laurel Mountain is only a 30 min drive from me in my home state. I would love to give this a try though I feel like it may not turn out so good.
It's not so bad when you practice on a $100 clunker. You might just end up with a new favorite to show your friends.
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It's a swan! Nice job!
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It's a swan! Nice job!
Thank you! 😀
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It was crazy to learn that Laurel Mountain is only a 30 min drive from me in my home state. I would love to give this a try though I feel like it may not turn out so good.
It's not so bad when you practice on a $100 clunker. You might just end up with a new favorite to show your friends.
I do have a Marlin 80Dl my wife picked up for 100. Its from around the early 40's with the ballard rifling and shoots dead on without any effort at 50. I did refinish the stock which didn't turn out as great as the Mosins I did, but It would look great rust blued. I would really have to do my homework if i wanted to give this a try. This is a little more complicated than refinishing a stock.