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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ75, 75b, 75 SAO inc the Transitional => Topic started by: 808 on May 03, 2017, 02:38:32 AM
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Started diy tuning my CZ 75b with CGW springs and pins and what a difference it's making. Blue hammer spring, FP spring, reduced trigger spring, FP safety spring. Brought my DA from 9.14# to 7.12# and SA from 4.13# to 3.11#. Light polishing and the action is fairly smooth. But now I want the Race hammer and adjustable sear, then the reach reduction, and, and... *sigh* :-[
This place is a true blessing and a curse. :o
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Is this your first and only CZ? Just saying O0
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That obvious huh? LOL. Shot one 5 years ago along with many other handguns while searching for one for my wife. Didn't think much of it at the time until I shot my buddy's SP-01T before and after it was Cajunized. I was sold! Picked up a stock 75B from another buddy and put my first 5 touching in the 10 ring at 10y. Never did that before on a first time out.
I will never be a competitor but love to shoot and tinker. This site has been a gold mine of information.
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By the time you tune you third or forth cz, you will know all the CGW parts by their numbers by heart.
They are addictive pistols. And dont even start with cz rimfires. ;D. You have been warned, but i guess its too late since you have already discovered this forum.
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^^Truth^^
The slope is slippery indeed.
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Well not quite all the parts. By the time you think you've got it all figured out, David comes along with some new Cajun Magic. Then the madness starts alllll over again. [emoji87] It is a vicious cycle.
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There is much fun to be had, sprinkled with bits of agitation.
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I will never be a competitor but love to shoot and tinker. This site has been a gold mine of information.
Remember this phrase, because the "gold mine" turns into a the need to discover a real one to fund projects ;D
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I will never be a competitor but love to shoot and tinker. This site has been a gold mine of information.
Remember this phrase, because the "gold mine" turns into a the need to discover a real one to fund projects ;D
Truer words... Decided to "clean up" my Sig P226 too. The only saving grace there is the lack of aftermarket parts for it that I've been able to find compared to CZ.
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808, talk to "JoeL" about your 226. He "used" to mostly shoot high end Sigs until he discovered CZs. :D
He also did most of the updates to his Sigs. He could pass on some good tips for improving a 226.
He's a Bullseye shooter, and a good one with either pistol.
Guys here helped with suggestions for my old P239 several years ago.
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808, talk to "JoeL" about your 226. He "used" to mostly shoot high end Sigs until he discovered CZs. :D
He also did most of the updates to his Sigs. He could pass on some good tips for improving a 226.
He's a Bullseye shooter, and a good one with either pistol.
Mahalo for the lead! Will do!. I've got a gritty creep that I really want to get rid of.
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808,
I completely understand where you are coming from. My SP-01 manual safety is only 3 months old, but with the help of CZ Custom, CGW and forum member Scarlett Pistol (excellent 'how to' vids), I've turned a great gun into an awesome gun with a trigger that is probably better than my Springfield Ranger Officer (the reset is shorter on the RO, but I'm talking about .090 inches to reset versus .18 inches on my CZ, but the CZ has much lighter pull thanks to the CGW upgrades). David at CGW 'warned' me that they can build (or offer parts for) 75 triggers with better action than 1911's and he is right.
Here's a list of my upgrades:
CGW 75105 kit with race hammer
Dawson Fiber Optic front sight
LpA adjustable rear sight
CGW barrel bushing
CGW single action only trigger
The only thing I can say is I love this gun. I will never sell it... pure shooting pleasure.
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Mahalo for the lead! Will do!. I've got a gritty creep that I really want to get rid of.
808--There simply are no aftermarket sear and hammer parts for the Sigs. Bruce Gray at Gray Guns has a spring kit that helps some, along the lines of most spring kits, that is, a lighter hammer spring, lighter firing pin safety block spring, etc. I used to buy his spring kit for each of the 6 or 7 P-226's I have modified. Then I put the hammer in a vise and polished up the hooks with 2000 paper wrapped (one layer) around a tiny flat file that would fit in that notch. There is no way to get a proper stone in there, so it has to be done by hand. I did the same with the sear contact surface, and then put it back together and tried it. I think I also smoothed the trigger bar where it contacts the inside of the frame all the way to the sear leg contact area. Eventually, I went back and took a little material off of the top of the hammer hooks to shorten up the single action trigger pull. Mine are smooth as silk now and I still shoot them in new shooter classes, and have one as a nightstand pistol. For a service or self defense gun, they are excellent, once you recover from the initial cost. Mine were 100% reliable in all the IDPA matches I took part in when i was younger. No complaints here other than lack of aftermarket support.
I like the Sigs, but I am a tinkerer and love the fact that we have CZ's that can be tinkered with until you drain the bank account. With a full size CZ, we are starting with a service gun that can be turned in to a competitive bullseye/IDPA/USPSA/etc match gun for less than what a factory Sig service gun costs. You can get whatever you want for a CZ in a few days from several good suppliers/shops. (I'm partial to CGW, by the way.)
My favorite non-CZ 9mm is a Stainless Steel Elite P-226. It is heavy, beautiful, and almost as accurate as any plastic $500 CZ. It was also very expensive. My least favorite 9mm is an X-5 All-Around that has been a disaster since new because of the factory botched extractor design. It is a safe queen, even after a trip to Bruce Gray. I think Bruce has a fix for the X5 extractor now, but I'm too happy with every single CZ to mess with it any longer. That X5 is a very expensive safe queen. I couldn't use it for anything other than a plinker. Once I got the Stainless Steel Elite (with the standard P-226 100% reliable extractor), the X5 was never taken to the range again.
Joe
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Mahalo Joe! As a matter of fact my Gray Guns spring kit is coming in today. I hope to have time to start working the hammer and sear this weekend. The gun pull was smooth albeit long before I put the SRT in it. I was thinking the hammer wore to the old sear and needed to be cleaned up to match the new.
Odd for me that CZ seems to be more complex to disassemble and reassemble but easier to tune.
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Odd for me that CZ seems to be more complex to disassemble and reassemble but easier to tune.
I agree with this. The P-226 is very simple to work with, as is the P-09/07. The 75/97 older guns are a little more fiddly to assemble/disassemble but easier to tune. I didn't get too picky until I started shooting bullseye. I'm still learning.
I like the end results on the P-226's I've done. I just prefer the CZ platforms for bullseye. And for long range shooting demos with plastic $500 guns. :) :)
Available here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7GbOFIiTV0xt-yUxqYvFX6tek_pEmLes (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7GbOFIiTV0xt-yUxqYvFX6tek_pEmLes)
I still chuckle at my own first attempt at 200 yards with the P-09, back three years ago, in May of 2014.
Joe
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Don't own any plastic CZ's but how does their accuracy compare to the steel guns?
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Don't own any plastic CZ's but how does their accuracy compare to the steel guns?
Same or better. Watch these. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7GbOFIiTV0xt-yUxqYvFX6tek_pEmLes (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7GbOFIiTV0xt-yUxqYvFX6tek_pEmLes)
And these. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7GbOFIiTV0woTe-22GvoVjUa3ZVSKiOH (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7GbOFIiTV0woTe-22GvoVjUa3ZVSKiOH)
Joe
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Thanks for the useful link and for the guy who shared his time and energy doing it!
All without barrel bushings?
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All without barrel bushings?
The 97 has a CGW bushing as does the 75B 9mm slide. The P-09 and P-07 have the factory barrel and slide fit-ups, no bushings, no fit modifications. My opinion is that the latest pistols with modern CNC manufacturing techniques are just built to tighter tolerances than the earlier pistols. Maybe that is why we never see reports of loose or sloppy barrel/slides in P-09/P-07 pistols.
Joe