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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ SP-01 and variants => Topic started by: orthikon on June 12, 2017, 10:44:29 PM
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Anybody tried it? Comments?
I have small and short hands and I could use more area to positively engage the safety.
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I am a left handed shooter with small digits and use the extended safety. I ride my thumbs on it and it works absolutely great. By leaning on the safety I am assured of my grip and it help keep my index aligned. Plus, the little recoil control doesn't hurt.
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Anybody tried it? Comments?
I have small and short hands and I could use more area to positively engage the safety.
Did you buy it?
I am considering getting one, but to use it more as a thumb rest. Does it just push in after removing the original safety? I have not taken my pistol that far apart yet.
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Anybody tried it? Comments?
I have small and short hands and I could use more area to positively engage the safety.
Did you buy it?
I am considering getting one more as a thumb rest. Does it just push in after removing the original safety? I have not taken my pistol that far apart yet.
There is a good youtube video of a guy replacing his/taking his gun apart. It does just push in after getting the old one out but there was a lot more to getting the old one out then I though there would be.
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Anybody tried it? Comments?
I have small and short hands and I could use more area to positively engage the safety.
Did you buy it?
I am considering getting one more as a thumb rest. Does it just push in after removing the original safety? I have not taken my pistol that far apart yet.
There is a good youtube video of a guy replacing his/taking his gun apart. It does just push in after getting the old one out but there was a lot more to getting the old one out then I though there would be.
Do you have the YouTube link, or what to search for?
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This will show you how to disassemble. That will give you the info you need. Hope this helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaF0wgKO9sk
Anybody tried it? Comments?
I have small and short hands and I could use more area to positively engage the safety.
Did you buy it?
I am considering getting one more as a thumb rest. Does it just push in after removing the original safety? I have not taken my pistol that far apart yet.
There is a good youtube video of a guy replacing his/taking his gun apart. It does just push in after getting the old one out but there was a lot more to getting the old one out then I though there would be.
Do you have the YouTube link, or what to search for?
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Let it be known that If the Left side safety lever (the one with the shaft) is replaced the safety pad and or the safety arm of the sear may require fitting to regain proper safety function.
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I see CZ Customs has a NOTICE on the webpage for their extended safety. They always suggest the use of a gunsmith, due to variations in tolerances in firearms some replacement parts may require fitting.
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So, what type of fitting do they mean? I am thinking? filing, and maybe polishing?
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So, what type of fitting do they mean? I am thinking? filing, and maybe polishing?
I believe that you are on the right track.
The CZ Tac Sport uses D-style safety levers as apposed to the Spindle style safety levers in a CZ 75 B. When swapping out safety there are two places that may require fitting on the D-style. The safety pad on the safety lever shaft as i mentioned above and the end of the safety lever shaft so that it will fit into the right side lever. Both areas can be fit using a small hand file and then further smoothed out with some sand paper as necessary. While i do not consider this modification hard exactly, it can be time consuming. It may require many test installations to get it where you want it.
Here is a video i found that explains it pretty well. The video uses a SP-01 safety model. As far as the safety fitting is concerned it is the same as a Tac Sport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPc2TFqpyxg
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The safety pad on the shaft of the safety may, or may not be an issue.
When I replaced the hammer on my CZ 75 Compact I (really, seriously) had that safety in/out of the frame about 24 times before I had removed enough metal to get it to work. The adjustable sear from CGW would really have sped that up a lot. I can't say whether or not the adjustable sear would fit the TS or not (probably not, the width of the sear is different and even though there is a spacer available (if you remove the firing pin block lifting lever on the other CZ's equipped with that) it still may not work out right.
When I replaced the left side safety (the one with the pad on the shaft) in my CZ TS .40 S&W the only "fitting" that had to be done was the end of the shaft where it goes through the right side safety.
Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you. One of those things.
When you get the new safety, go ahead and take right side safety out, too, and do your left side shaft to right side safety lever fitting/filing with both pieces outside the gun. Once the left side safety lever fits, install the right side safety.
Then you'll have to put the sear cage back in, too. Hey, watch those two small springs in the back of the sear cage. Don't lose them, they keep forward pressure on the sear cage to eliminate any movement of the sear cage that can affect sear to trigger engagement (I thought mine were extremely even broken pieces of a spring and probably threw them away). It took some cutting/fitting of another spring to get two uniform pieces to replace them.
You'll have to file/test fit the safety to the sear with the sear cage and safety installed in the frame.
That "bump" that may need to be filed/fitted is in this picture. While this is a CZ 75 the idea is the same. See the coil spring around the sear pin (in the sear cage)? The "bump" is that small piece, on the safety shaft. The little finger that stick out of the sear cage towards the left is the sear. The bump, right in front of the sear has to rotate under that finger to lock the sear in place when you move the safety lever to the SAFE position. If it won't rotate under the sear/finger, it's got to be filed/fitted down till it does - but you have to be careful not to remove too much metal or it won't lock the sear and the pistol can fire even when the lever is in the SAFE position.
Edited to take advantage another opportunity to fix the photobucket mess.
The red arrow points to the raised portion, or cam, on the left side safety shaft. It has to fit under the finger that sticks forward off the sear (green arrow) in order to lock the sear and keep the sear from releasing the hammer when the trigger is pulled. That cam has to rotate under the sear arm. If it won't, you have to slowly remove metal from that cam on the safety shaft. Lots of removal (safety from the frame, metal removal from the cam area, replacement of the safety into the frame/sear cage and testing operation - repeated over and over till you get it right. My first time took (IIRC) 24 times to get it right.
As people say, purchase installation of CGW's adjustable sear makes it all go faster (done that one time, too - and just ordered another one from CGW for another project.)
(http://i.imgur.com/gwkMfgrl.jpg)
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Where are you guys getting the 'wide' TS safety from?
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Where are you guys getting the 'wide' TS safety from?
CZ Tactical Sports (CZ TS) CZC Extended Safety Left Hand Side Only, $75 from CZ Customs
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The safety pad on the shaft of the safety may, or may not be an issue.
When I replaced the hammer on my CZ 75 Compact I (really, seriously) had that safety in/out of the frame about 24 times before I had removed enough metal to get it to work. The adjustable sear from CGW would really have sped that up a lot. I can't say whether or not the adjustable sear would fit the TS or not (probably not, the width of the sear is different and even though there is a spacer available (if you remove the firing pin block lifting lever on the other CZ's equipped with that) it still may not work out right.
When I replaced the left side safety (the one with the pad on the shaft) in my CZ TS .40 S&W the only "fitting" that had to be done was the end of the shaft where it goes through the right side safety.
Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you. One of those things.
When you get the new safety, go ahead and take right side safety out, too, and do your left side shaft to right side safety lever fitting/filing with both pieces outside the gun. Once the left side safety lever fits, install the right side safety.
Then you'll have to put the sear cage back in, too. Hey, watch those two small springs in the back of the sear cage. Don't lose them, they keep forward pressure on the sear cage to eliminate any movement of the sear cage that can affect sear to trigger engagement (I thought mine were extremely even broken pieces of a spring and probably threw them away). It took some cutting/fitting of another spring to get two uniform pieces to replace them.
You'll have to file/test fit the safety to the sear with the sear cage and safety installed in the frame.
That "bump" that may need to be filed/fitted is in this picture. While this is a CZ 75 the idea is the same. See the coil spring around the sear pin (in the sear cage)? The "bump" is that small piece, on the safety shaft. The little finger that stick out of the sear cage towards the left is the sear. The bump, right in front of the sear has to rotate under that finger to lock the sear in place when you move the safety lever to the SAFE position. If it won't rotate under the sear/finger, it's got to be filed/fitted down till it does - but you have to be careful not to remove too much metal or it won't lock the sear and the pistol can fire even when the lever is in the SAFE position.
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn298/zsrbest/IMG_0429_zpsyawmzmne.jpg) (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/zsrbest/media/IMG_0429_zpsyawmzmne.jpg.html)
The CGW adjustable sear will fit so long as you also purchase their sear spacer.
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orthicon, did you get that safety?
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FYI the Shadow 2 safety will work on a TSO also. Just a thought, as I'm not sure how much of a difference it will provide.
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I have read the Shadow2 safety is 7.2mm and the CZC safety is 12.0mm. I bought the CZC model because I like the idea of being able to use my Dremel to make it the width? and shape I prefer.
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I might guess the Shadow2 safety would require less fitting in a Tactical Sport model than the CZC wide safety. Being an OEM CZ part, it might fit better than the custom safety?
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It is my understanding that the end of the left side D Style safety lever is over sized to insure a tight fit in any right side lever. I believe that CZ factory safetys require some fitting. How much fitting is dependent on the right side lever hole.
Edit: This may not apply to CZ Custom parts, Per tdoggs post below.
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I bought this: https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/safeties/cz-tactical-sports-cz-ts-extended-ambi-safety-lhs.html
It was a drop in on my TSO and no fitting was required on my pistol (it may or may not need fitting depending on weapon).
I really like the thumb rest and it ensures I release the safety when drawing in competition. It does have some aggressive edges to the texture. I took a stone and ground off the sharp points toward the rear as they were digging into my thumb and were very sharp. All in all I think it is a must have for competition (especially if you are used to a decocker control!).
Cheers,
Toby
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orthicon, did you get that safety?
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No not yet.
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I have a TSO 40 and this is exactly what I've been searching for. I have to shift my grip to reach the safety to flick it off and I use my index finger to flick it on. I've been Debating if I should get use to it or replace the LH safety with a CZC or a factory CZ shadow 2 extended safety. My concern has been if while shooting I might inadvertently engage the larger safety? If I should be riding the safety with my thumb like a 1911? Or is the wrong method / correct form?
I also wish there was a safety for the RH side the same size as the Shadow 2. It would make weak hand shooting easier and safer.
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orthicon, did you get that safety?
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No not yet.
I bought the CZC wide safety for my TS, but haven't put it in yet. I am worried about fitting it, messing with the sear cage, and the springs are going to go flying, and I don't know how to get it back together, lol.
But there is always YouTube... so I got that going for me.
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orthicon, did you get that safety?
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No not yet.
I bought the CZC wide safety for my TS, but haven't put it in yet. I am worried about fitting it, messing with the sear cage, and the springs are going to go flying, and I don't know how to get it back together, lol.
But there is always YouTube... so I got that going for me.
Had two now,drop right in
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To remove that left side safety and file, or stone, on the cam on the safety shaft you don't remove/loosen and springs. You do have to raise that one spring arm up (on the sear spring) to get it out of the slot in the safety shaft so you can remove the safety, but the spring is retained in the sear cage by the pin in the cage (that you don't remove just to get the safety out).
I stoned on the top of the cam to fit my safety into my Compact - but maybe only because I also replaced the hammer. It may not have been the same job had I just replaced the safety.
And there's always that option of installing the CGW adjustable sear, which makes for no fitting at all. But you do have to take the sear cage apart to install the adjustable sear.
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M1, thanks, that info helps.
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Do you remove the magwell and relieve the hammer spring tension before working on the safety/sear area? Is that the way to keep the sear cage in place as I pull out the safeties?
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Do you remove the magwell and relieve the hammer spring tension before working on the safety/sear area? Is that the way to keep the sear cage in place as I pull out the safeties?
I remove the tension from the hammer spring first. I wouldn't worry about the sear cage, it can be remove fully assembled. Just be careful that it doesn't come apart on you if you have to take it out.
Here's the quickest/easiest way to remove the hammer spring
https://youtu.be/Yi1IHftppBE (https://youtu.be/Yi1IHftppBE)
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Just installed the CZC extended safety last night on my TSO. No fitting required but the sear spring was a tight fit in it's notch on the safety bar.
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Just installed the CZC extended safety last night on my TSO. No fitting required but the sear spring was a tight fit in it's notch on the safety bar.
My CZC safety also was a drop in fit.
But, I too, noticed the sear spring seemed to be sitting up and not down very much, into the notch on the shaft.
Can this cause any problems? I don't see the safety accidentally falling out.
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That spring arm fitting down into the notch in the left side safety shaft does most of the work of keeping that safety in place.
You need to try to push the safety in farther and maybe see if there is enough room in the frame that the sear cage can be moved slightly towards the left side of the pistol frame. If you can't see that notch, you've got a problem that needs to be addressed.
And the safety won't fall out until you're up the $h!t creek and need the pistol to work - remember that safety is what holds the sear cage in place. If the sear cage can move the pistol may not fire when you need it to.
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If the sear spring tail isn't seated in the notch then yes, you could have problems. Just take a little material off the right side off the notch until the spring tail drops in.