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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: dmd6toe on December 05, 2017, 08:01:08 PM
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Hello to all! Looking to set up an appendix carry firearm with RMR that can double as a home defense gun with a suppressor. I have bmnarrowed it down to these two but I am not sure which route would be the best. Thanks for your input in advance🇺🇸
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Well since you asked, P-07 for the DA/SA.
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first post, wants an rmr'd compact 9 to carry appendix.
I like this guy already 8)
P-10C
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I would probably go with a DA/SA for appendix carry. Can't be too safe protecting the family jewels. I carry my Springfield XDE in the DA mode with the safety on in the appendix position and my CZ P-10 OWB at four o'clock. One of my most important decisions of the day is which gun to carry.
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Don?t .
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I don't use an RMR, but I carry my P07 AIWB in Vedder LightTuck holster. I decock the the hammer with a round chambered, and feel that the heavy DA first pull makes for extremely safe carry. I ALWAYS ride my thumb on the back of the hammer when holstering so I can immediately feel if something is infringing on the trigger and take corrective action.
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I? always think it?s silly people think that AIWB is unsafe. ....oh well. Go for the P10.
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I? always think it?s silly people think that AIWB is unsafe. ....oh well. Go for the P10.
It's just less forgiving or "less safe"; not "unsafe".
But you knew that.
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I don't use an RMR, but I carry my P07 AIWB in Vedder LightTuck holster. I decock the the hammer with a round chambered, and feel that the heavy DA first pull makes for extremely safe carry. I ALWAYS ride my thumb on the back of the hammer when holstering so I can immediately feel if something is infringing on the trigger and take corrective action.
+1... Everything he said, except the holster. I use a JM Custom Kydex AIWB.
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I don't use an RMR, but I carry my P07 AIWB in Vedder LightTuck holster. I decock the the hammer with a round chambered, and feel that the heavy DA first pull makes for extremely safe carry. I ALWAYS ride my thumb on the back of the hammer when holstering so I can immediately feel if something is infringing on the trigger and take corrective action.
I wouldn?t be too worried about re-holstering since generally you?re not doing that under stress, and your method of riding the hammer in should preclude a ND due to shirt getting caught in trigger.
I?d be more concerned about trying to draw and fire quick accurate shots on target UNDER STRESS. The stress-driven adrenaline can easily turn a 10-12lb trigger pull into a 3-4lb trigger pull. Fairly easy to simulate somewhat in training (obnoxious shot timer tone in the ear, draw and fire 2 shots on target in 3 seconds, then draw and fire 3 shots on target in 2 seconds before that obnoxious tone sounds for example) Not that hard to do but not something I?d even care to practice with my own family jewels from AIWB. Hopefully you guys with the big iron ones do tho :) I can comfortably carrying either my G19 with RMR IWB at 2:00-4:00 position or CZ P-09 w/RMR OWB, but my gut hurts just thinking about the RMR digging in with AIWB carry. Can?t even remember being that skinny lol.
To each his own according to their capabilities...y?all be safe out there and happy shootin?!
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My policy with AIWB is to only use hammer-fired guns. So, P-07...
I also second the nod to JM Custom Kydex. Tony makes awesome holsters!
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Folks: Unless you have shot a man a couple of times, you don't have a clue how much stress you will feel on your first time - or even to draw on a human. Just keep all this in mind. You can train all you want, and still won't feel what you feel when you do all this. Never.
Its also not just about your privates - when it goes off, it will likely blow an artery and its all over. Its up to you how you carry, but this all needs to be considered.
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Folks: Unless you have shot a man a couple of times, you don't have a clue how much stress you will feel on your first time - or even to draw on a human. Just keep all this in mind. You can train all you want, and still won't feel what you feel when you do all this. Never.
Its also not just about your privates - when it goes off, it will likely blow an artery and its all over. Its up to you how you carry, but this all needs to be considered.
AIWB talk really can push buttons ;-)
The fact is, carrying a gun in any manner is inherently dangerous. Mishandling a gun is extremely dangerous. And as they say, complacency can kill.
With the right mindset, training and equipment, AIWB can be a perfectly safe method of carry.
It certainly isn't for everyone, though.
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Back on topic... here are a couple of my posts regarding how my P-07 is set up and what carry gear I use.
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=91149.msg699682#msg699682
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=84782.msg701773#msg701773
I've fitted mine with the Primary Machine Stealth Comp since I do not yet have a suppressor. (Great comp, BTW!)
I do hope to get a SilercerCo Omega 9K (https://silencerco.com/silencers/omega-k/) sometime next year, though, and then I'll leave one of mine set up for HD with the can.
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Sorry: Its just when I read people saying that when you reholster it won't be under stress I get really 'stressed'. My son is a cop and has been for a few years. He's been through two academies, one very tough. I've watched him handle firearms for 10 years. I MIGHT trust he's fine with AIWB.
Train hard - yes. It won't replicate drawing on a human target. Just something to keep in mind reference the OP.
BTW - I don't know the training or background of anyone on here, so this is NOT meant to label anyone or condemn their choice. However, AIWB seems to be very popular these days, and I don't think many people have thought through it completely. Also BTW, my son has considered it, but considers the risks too high. Again, he's about the best 'gunhandler' I know.
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Sorry: Its just when I read people saying that when you reholster it won't be under stress I get really 'stressed'. My son is a cop and has been for a few years. He's been through two academies, one very tough. I've watched him handle firearms for 10 years. I MIGHT trust he's fine with AIWB.
Train hard - yes. It won't replicate drawing on a human target. Just something to keep in mind reference the OP.
BTW - I don't know the training or background of anyone on here, so this is NOT meant to label anyone or condemn their choice. However, AIWB seems to be very popular these days, and I don't think many people have thought through it completely. Also BTW, my son has considered it, but considers the risks too high. Again, he's about the best 'gunhandler' I know.
As usual, Brian ... excellent points.
Cops absolutely DO have to reholster under extreme stress - to go hands on, among other things. They often need to perform other tasks while an event is still underway.Civilians, typically do not have that need - at least not to the same degree. (Anything is possible.) Typically, if a civilian has to draw then they shouldn't be in any hurry to reholster... however, that doesn't mean they wouldn't still be reholstering under stress after an event! I think people often conflate the two.
As for AIWB, it sure is the trendy thing these days but that shouldn't be considered a negative, necessarily. Popularity can drive training, techniques and equipment forward, after all. I came to AIWB out of necessity - carrying strong side behind the hip just did not work well enough for my physiology and my performance in and out of the holster clearly reflected that.
As an aside, I do prefer consistency so if I had to carry strong side OWB on the job, I would likely prefer strong side IWB when carrying concealed off the job... assuming I could pull that off well enough, which I can't. Fortunately I am able to carry the same way on and off the job. (One part of my job responsibilities is to lead the company security team... so I am most definitely armed at work.)
There certainly are benefits to AIWB but there are also some serious concerns regarding it, as well, and one should weigh them fully before deciding. Even though it is the only way I carry - and I do not ever see that changing - it is not the carry method I recommend for new shooters or anyone carrying a striker fired gun without a thumb safety. (That is just my opinion ... but it's a good one LOL)
I also firmly believe that choice of holster is critical with AIWB carry... not just for comfort (although that is a factor) but you really need a purpose built holster to be as safe as the carry method requires. Also, just to reiterate - training is a must IMO and you absolutely cannot allow yourself to be complacent.
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Sorry: Its just when I read people saying that when you reholster it won't be under stress I get really 'stressed'. My son is a cop and has been for a few years. He's been through two academies, one very tough. I've watched him handle firearms for 10 years. I MIGHT trust he's fine with AIWB.
Train hard - yes. It won't replicate drawing on a human target. Just something to keep in mind reference the OP.
BTW - I don't know the training or background of anyone on here, so this is NOT meant to label anyone or condemn their choice. However, AIWB seems to be very popular these days, and I don't think many people have thought through it completely. Also BTW, my son has considered it, but considers the risks too high. Again, he's about the best 'gunhandler' I know.
As usual, Brian ... excellent points.
Cops absolutely DO have to reholster under extreme stress - to go hands on, among other things. They often need to perform other tasks while an event is still underway.Civilians, typically do not have that need - at least not to the same degree. (Anything is possible.) Typically, if a civilian has to draw then they shouldn't be in any hurry to reholster... however, that doesn't mean they wouldn't still be reholstering under stress after an event! I think people often conflate the two.
As for AIWB, it sure is the trendy thing these days but that shouldn't be considered a negative, necessarily. Popularity can drive training, techniques and equipment forward, after all. I came to AIWB out of necessity - carrying strong side behind the hip just did not work well enough for my physiology and my performance in and out of the holster clearly reflected that.
As an aside, I do prefer consistency so if I had to carry strong side OWB on the job, I would likely prefer strong side IWB when carrying concealed off the job... assuming I could pull that off well enough, which I can't. Fortunately I am able to carry the same way on and off the job. (One part of my job responsibilities is to lead the company security team... so I am most definitely armed at work.)
There certainly are benefits to AIWB but there are also some serious concerns regarding it, as well, and one should weigh them fully before deciding. Even though it is the only way I carry - and I do not ever see that changing - it is not the carry method I recommend for new shooters or anyone carrying a striker fired gun without a thumb safety. (That is just my opinion ... but it's a good one LOL)
I also firmly believe that choice of holster is critical with AIWB carry... not just for comfort (although that is a factor) but you really need a purpose built holster to be as safe as the carry method requires. Also, just to reiterate - training is a must IMO and you absolutely cannot allow yourself to be complacent.
I've also noticed when watching people at the range that well over half the shooters drawing from behind the hip flag themselves on the draw and/or reholster. The muzzle flags their pelvic area all the way across the body every time. They have no clue they're doing it. Not sure I would consider that much better than appendix.
I started recording myself drawing to diagnose problems. Found that training in front of a mirror it was hard to tell if there was an issue because I could really only focus on one area at a time. With the video I can play it back as much as necessary for analysis. I was able to correct a deficiency in my draw stroke pretty quickly this way.
Regardless of your carry method just train for it, and do it seriously and thoughtfully.
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Sorry: Its just when I read people saying that when you reholster it won't be under stress I get really 'stressed'. My son is a cop and has been for a few years. He's been through two academies, one very tough. I've watched him handle firearms for 10 years. I MIGHT trust he's fine with AIWB.
Train hard - yes. It won't replicate drawing on a human target. Just something to keep in mind reference the OP.
BTW - I don't know the training or background of anyone on here, so this is NOT meant to label anyone or condemn their choice. However, AIWB seems to be very popular these days, and I don't think many people have thought through it completely. Also BTW, my son has considered it, but considers the risks too high. Again, he's about the best 'gunhandler' I know.
As usual, Brian ... excellent points.
Cops absolutely DO have to reholster under extreme stress - to go hands on, among other things. They often need to perform other tasks while an event is still underway.Civilians, typically do not have that need - at least not to the same degree. (Anything is possible.) Typically, if a civilian has to draw then they shouldn't be in any hurry to reholster... however, that doesn't mean they wouldn't still be reholstering under stress after an event! I think people often conflate the two.
As for AIWB, it sure is the trendy thing these days but that shouldn't be considered a negative, necessarily. Popularity can drive training, techniques and equipment forward, after all. I came to AIWB out of necessity - carrying strong side behind the hip just did not work well enough for my physiology and my performance in and out of the holster clearly reflected that.
As an aside, I do prefer consistency so if I had to carry strong side OWB on the job, I would likely prefer strong side IWB when carrying concealed off the job... assuming I could pull that off well enough, which I can't. Fortunately I am able to carry the same way on and off the job. (One part of my job responsibilities is to lead the company security team... so I am most definitely armed at work.)
There certainly are benefits to AIWB but there are also some serious concerns regarding it, as well, and one should weigh them fully before deciding. Even though it is the only way I carry - and I do not ever see that changing - it is not the carry method I recommend for new shooters or anyone carrying a striker fired gun without a thumb safety. (That is just my opinion ... but it's a good one LOL)
I also firmly believe that choice of holster is critical with AIWB carry... not just for comfort (although that is a factor) but you really need a purpose built holster to be as safe as the carry method requires. Also, just to reiterate - training is a must IMO and you absolutely cannot allow yourself to be complacent.
I've also noticed when watching people at the range that well over half the shooters drawing from behind the hip flag themselves on the draw and/or reholster. The muzzle flags their pelvic area all the way across the body every time. They have no clue they're doing it. Not sure I would consider that much better than appendix.
I started recording myself drawing to diagnose problems. Found that training in front of a mirror it was hard to tell if there was an issue because I could really only focus on one area at a time. With the video I can play it back as much as necessary for analysis. I was able to correct a deficiency in my draw stroke pretty quickly this way.
Regardless of your carry method just train for it, and do it seriously and thoughtfully.
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I wanted to add that YouTube videos and internet articles are no substitute for hands-on, in-person training. Find an qualified instructor who teaches whichever carry method you choose and throw some money at them...it will be well spent.
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Thank you for the input. All are valid. I have spent $$ on training but always asses my limitations as any learning experience from the slightest mistake can cost you more than just your gonads. Would not want to hit that femoral artery :-\ . Double action seems more of the wise choice due to the slight safety features to striker fired. All the best and happy holidays.
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I went with the P07 for exactly these reasons. I carry it AIWB in a JM Custom Kydex holster. Knowing my thumb is on an uncocked hammer is a good thing when reholstering.
I also didn't especially like the P10c
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I hear you.
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P07 for the win. My RMR?d 07 is my daily carry gun carried AIWB.