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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: scottygrape on February 01, 2018, 09:58:35 PM
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Is anyone here experiencing abnormal wear on their p-10 CGW Guide rods? I?m running the 15 pound spring with it and while I was cleaning it tonight I noticed that the rod has a bunch of dimples, dents and scratches in it and is rather rough now. Just wondering if this was normal or not. I have only shot about 800 USPSA 125 power factor loads through it.
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Geez, The plastic guide rod in my P09 doesn't look that bad . And it's got several 1000 rounds through it.
Something is wrong there !!!
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Looks like they need to be black nitrided. They'd be harder and slicker.
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Normal. Guide rods will show wear from the spring compressing around them and expanding again. No big deal.
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Looks like they need to be black nitrided. They'd be harder and slicker.
Nah. That would just add to the cost for both CGW and the end user for no good reason. Guide rod wear like this is extremely normal and after a certain point, will not get any worse.
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At minimum I'd want it to be hardened and the CGW product description doesn't say whether they are or not. Maybe they just had a bad batch.
I'll probably buy the Gray Guns rod and be done with it. They are hardened for sure.
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I am using the Super Black Gray Guns guide rod with a 15 pound spring and the rod is showing no wear at all. Very happy with this product.
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Yea I just ordered the gray guns rod to replace the CGW SS rod. This is my carry gun so i wouldn?t want this wear to cause a malfunction or something
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How do you think this would cause a malfunction?
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If it gets gouged enough perhaps the slide might move slower? IDK.
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That would require an awful lot of gouging.
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Better safe than sorry!
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Or stainless steel shaving getting inside the gun's action.
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Mountains out of mole hills. 8)
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It would appear that perhaps your guide rod was not properly heat treated imho. I have owned several guns with Stainless guide rods using both flat and round springs and have never experienced such pronounced wear.
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That looks normal. We have sold several thousand of the SS guide rods and have never had an issue.
The ID of the flat wire spring is very small, only allowing about .015" of clearance per side on the GR. So the spring will naturally contact the GR body.
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...every SS guide rod I've ever owned from various manufacturers in various makes/models of guns, including a couple that were supposedly "heat treated" (Which I doubt they are. There's simply no reason to heat treat such an item.) look just like that after a few hundred rounds. As I said, it won't constantly wear like that, it will stop eventually. And it's nothing to the point that anything will gouge, nor will any shavings or shards come off the guide rod.
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Another 100 rounds through my P-10 and still not seeing any wear on my Gray Guns Super Black guide rod.
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Another 100 rounds through my P-10 and still not seeing any wear on my Gray Guns Super Black guide rod.
Whats the pounds rating on this fat guide rod?
I racked my 2017 P07 by the rear sights with my scale and it took average 14.5 pounds.
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Mountains out of mole hills. 8)
Yep! We are seeing the difference between people who grew up with/know and understand firearms and mechanical items and the newbie crowd who just don't know and get all their info from a not so smart phone.
Nothing wrong with that guide rod at all.
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Another 100 rounds through my P-10 and still not seeing any wear on my Gray Guns Super Black guide rod.
Whats the pounds rating on this fat guide rod?
I racked my 2017 P07 by the rear sights with my scale and it took average 14.5 pounds.
I'm using a 15 pound spring.
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...every SS guide rod I've ever owned from various manufacturers in various makes/models of guns, including a couple that were supposedly "heat treated" (Which I doubt they are. There's simply no reason to heat treat such an item.) look just like that after a few hundred rounds. As I said, it won't constantly wear like that, it will stop eventually. And it's nothing to the point that anything will gouge, nor will any shavings or shards come off the guide rod.
HK and FN for starters just that I'm aware of. Stainless hardened via nitride, ferritic nitrocarburization, QPQ, melonite, etc. Whether it's necessary or not depends on what a person wants. Me, I'll pay $3 extra for a hardened black nitrided guide rod.
https://ssguiderods.com/product-category/cz/
They only have raw stainless for the P10...so far. [emoji6]
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When I went to an 11# recoil spring on my Production class 75 Shadow, the OE stainless guide rod started getting gouges (with sharp edges) on the base of rod. Turns out that was not uncommon with the light recoil spring and 132 PF reloads.
Mine looked much worse than yours, but function was fine. I went up to a 12# spring and smoothed the cuts down some and it works perfectly.
Your guide rod didn't look bad at all.
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Mountains out of mole hills. 8)
Yep! We are seeing the difference between people who grew up with/know and understand firearms and mechanical items and the newbie crowd who just don't know and get all their info from a not so smart phone.
Nothing wrong with that guide rod at all.
Lol what an ignorant thing to say. You have no clue what my background is. And I am not questioning the quality of any CGW parts. I have had nothing but fantastic experience with CHE parts. I was simply asking if it was normal as I have never seen it before.
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Another 100 rounds through my P-10 and still not seeing any wear on my Gray Guns Super Black guide rod.
Whats the pounds rating on this fat guide rod?
I racked my 2017 P07 by the rear sights with my scale and it took average 14.5 pounds.
Pound rating on a guide rod? How is pressure put on the rod?
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Gentlemen, keep it polite, respectful, and professional, please.
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There are 2 responses from competent gunsmiths and parts manufacturers in this thread. which seem to go ignored over less experienced opinions.
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And there you have it , nuff said !
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Is this a spoof thread?! ::)
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Mountains out of mole hills. 8)
Yep! We are seeing the difference between people who grew up with/know and understand firearms and mechanical items and the newbie crowd who just don't know and get all their info from a not so smart phone.
Nothing wrong with that guide rod at all.
Your statement is pretty ironic considering you don't know everybody's background here.
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There are 2 responses from competent gunsmiths and parts manufacturers in this thread. which seem to go ignored over less experienced opinions.
Your statement is pretty ironic considering you don't know everybody's background here.
The quoted statement is factual. There are two replies here from known qualified individuals.
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Mountains out of mole hills. 8)
Yep! We are seeing the difference between people who grew up with/know and understand firearms and mechanical items and the newbie crowd who just don't know and get all their info from a not so smart phone.
Nothing wrong with that guide rod at all.
There are 2 responses from competent gunsmiths and parts manufacturers in this thread. which seem to go ignored over less experienced opinions.
Your statement is pretty ironic considering you don't know everybody's background here.
The quoted statement is factual. There are two replies here from known qualified individuals.
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I meant to quote the post above from SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM.
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Another 100 rounds through my P-10 and still not seeing any wear on my Gray Guns Super Black guide rod.
Whats the pounds rating on this fat guide rod?
I racked my 2017 P07 by the rear sights with my scale and it took average 14.5 pounds.
Using 15 pound spring.