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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ 2075 RAMI CLUB => Topic started by: Pierce on February 06, 2018, 02:33:12 PM
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How do you carry your B model Rami?
Empty chamber, hammer down?
Loaded chamber, hammer down, safety engaged?
Loaded chamber, 1/2 cocked? (safety off)
Loaded chamber, full cock, safety on?
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I plan to buy one, a decocker model, and keep it decocked with one in the chamber.
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Option #3
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What about: Loaded chamber. safety off. hammer down.
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I have the BD, not the B, so I can't confirm this, but for option 3, can you engage the safety on a RAMI B when the hammer is down?
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What about: Loaded chamber. safety off. hammer down.
Is that how you carry a Rami?
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Safety can?t/shouldn?t be used at hammer down.
That being said I?ve got the BD, so #3. If I had a safety model.... #3, loaded, 1/2 cock, safety off.
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I have the BD, not the B, so I can't confirm this, but for option 3, can you engage the safety on a RAMI B when the hammer is down?
Not sure on a RAMI but my 75 B will not allow you to engage the safety unless it is fully cocked.
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Option #3 but safety off
The safety on my RAMI can only be engaged with the hammer fully cocked, like my SP01.
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What about: Loaded chamber. safety off. hammer down.
Is that wrong? Mine has a smooth double action pull, and this is equivalent to normal carry with a double action revolver.
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What about: Loaded chamber. safety off. hammer down.
Is that wrong? Mine has a smooth double action pull, and this is equivalent to normal carry with a double action revolver.
If I had to carry with a safety, thats the way I would do it. It is a longer pull than that of a decocker in down mode decocked, but seems safe for my comfort level.
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I do not quite understand why would you want to have "safety" model RAMI, unless you plan to carry it cocked and locked. If you carry it with a chambered round and the hammer and half cock, it is exactly how you would carry BD model, particularly if you cannot engage safety with the hammer down or in half cock position - so why not get a BD ?
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Because most of the year a safety model is a heck of a lot easier to find. [emoji6]
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Absolutely true, I own a B model and would gladly purchase a BD model if I could find one. so for now it's a round in the chamber with it a half cocked
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I have a Beretta decocker. Even though it is much much more reliable than the Rami, There are other reasons I like the Rami better, but I don't like the decocker feature. I guess it is a personal choice.
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Option #3 but safety off
The safety on my RAMI can only be engaged with the hammer fully cocked, like my SP01.
Thanks - that confirmed my belief about the RAMI safety
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I do not quite understand why would you want to have "safety" model RAMI, unless you plan to carry it cocked and locked. If you carry it with a chambered round and the hammer and half cock, it is exactly how you would carry BD model, particularly if you cannot engage safety with the hammer down or in half cock position - so why not get a BD ?
Its just as easy to manually decock, although I sometimes use the safety when at the range, sharing it.
Some don't like the decocker's position relative to their hold. I dont have a problem with it on my PCR.
I don't particularly like the tritium sights that come with the decocker version, nor do I want to pay extra for something I don't like.
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I've never used the safety on two 75s with safeties.
If I carried one it would likely be at half cock and have a one pound heavier trigger pull. Same shooting options for all my pistols...Pull the trigger to shoot.
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I have the BD, not the B, so I can't confirm this, but for option 3, can you engage the safety on a RAMI B when the hammer is down?
Not sure on a RAMI but my 75 B will not allow you to engage the safety unless it is fully cocked.
My 75 B matte stainless allows safety on in half cocked position as well as full cocked.
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Chambered, cocked and safety on like all my other pistols that have a manual safety and single action trigger.
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Chambered, cocked and safety on like all my other pistols that have a manual safety and single action trigger.
I have several friends that always say they carry in Condition 1 (chambered, cocked, safety on), but when I check them, they never seem to actually have their firearm cocked. I typically carry 1/2 cocked and chambered, but if I am in an area where I perceive a real threat, I will carry in Condition 1 with the RAMI or the 75B. I seriously don't like decockers, and don't own any.
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I'm with the frogwalker on this one:
Loaded, hammer down, safety off.
Why do I have a safety RAMI and don't use the safety? Well as someone else noted it was available and even more than that, the safety is less expensive enough to make a difference to me. On handguns that I own with decockers, I do use them but they are simply a convenience and I really see not advantage to having them other than a wee bit of convenience.
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Also, although it is a safer process to manually decock to the half cock notch, I throw caution to the wind and bring the hammer all the way down on the Rami, which means you need the buger finger against the trigger for a much longer period, so the the FPB isn't there for you until you've completed the task. I sometimes holster in the pocket and prefer the hammer all the way down.
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Chambered, cocked and safety on like all my other pistols that have a manual safety and single action trigger.
I have several friends that always say they carry in Condition 1 (chambered, cocked, safety on), but when I check them, they never seem to actually have their firearm cocked. I typically carry 1/2 cocked and chambered, but if I am in an area where I perceive a real threat, I will carry in Condition 1 with the RAMI or the 75B. I seriously don't like decockers, and don't own any.
I carried a 1911 for years so it's ingrained in me and I've never had a problem with a single action gun and safety. It's either someone wants to have a double action fist shot or it's the person who has the mental block and can't get over having the hammer cocked.
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Round chambered, half cock, safety off. As an aside, the safety CAN be applied at half cock on Cajunized RAMIs, but should not and need not be engaged.
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loaded, hammer fully down.
I dont see why the decocker models even exist If theyre only going to lower the hammer to half cock. theres a firing pin block...
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loaded, hammer fully down.
I dont see why the decocker models even exist If theyre only going to lower the hammer to half cock. theres a firing pin block...
Because some people still have ND?s manually lowering a hammer. They need to learn to keep their booger hook off the trigger once the hammer starts moving.
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......and, because for some people there is just not enough time to move the trigger finger off the trigger once the hammer starts moving. Once the trigger is pressed, it deactivates firing pin safety, so the whole idea of training is to learn to quickly move the finger of the trigger. For some it is difficult and that is exactly why decocker.
You would not believe how many accidents happen while trying to lower the hammer on the loaded chamber.
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I don?t understand this. Surely the simplest method is:
- Hold hammer back
- pull trigger and hold to rear
- slowly lower hammer
- take finger of trigger
Simple but effective
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Yes, simple. But by holding the trigger to the rear until hammer is lowered, you have defeated the FP block. That?s how ND?s happen. Once the hammer starts to lower, the trigger should be released. But to each there own. [emoji6]
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You are absolutely right, Cntrydawwwg. There is just a surprising lack of understanding how and why the firing pin block works. Some even complain that once you release the hammer and immediately remove trigger finger from the trigger, the hammer will not go back to the full down position but will stay at the "half cock" - the same position that is accomplished simply by using a decocker. Accidental discharges happen by accident. That is why the firing pin block and the decocker.
Doing short cuts - like using your thumb instead of decocker defeats the purpose and asks for trouble
I will repeat it over and over and over - if you decide on carrying the gun with a hammer down - do not buy a safety version. That is truly for all those who can comfortably carry the gun cocked and locked - condition 1. Otherwise, getting a safety version makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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loaded, hammer fully down.
I dont see why the decocker models even exist If theyre only going to lower the hammer to half cock. theres a firing pin block...
And I don't see why anyone would carry a safety model hammer down instead of cocked and locked? If you are going to carry hammer down, then get a decocker so you can lower the hammer with ease safely!?
I'm not sure where this distaste for decockers originates but to each their own. I prefer the decocker for the ease of use and safety. But then if I carry it is condition 3 so I must be an idiot. Once again to each their own. [emoji6]
Cheers,
Toby
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I used to use the thumb method of lowering the hammer but now use the thumb and index finger (of my left hand, I'm right handed) to hold the hammer as I pull the trigger and (I have heard the term used) "walk" the hammer down.
Thank God I still have the manual dexterity to do so without any fear of an unintentional discharge...Well at least for now !
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loaded, hammer fully down.
I dont see why the decocker models even exist If theyre only going to lower the hammer to half cock. theres a firing pin block...
And I don't see why anyone would carry a safety model hammer down instead of cocked and locked? If you are going to carry hammer down, then get a decocker so you can lower the hammer with ease safely!?
I'm not sure where this distaste for decockers originates but to each their own. I prefer the decocker for the ease of use and safety. But then if I carry it is condition 3 so I must be an idiot. Once again to each their own. [emoji6]
Cheers,
Toby
If the decocker lowered the hammer down fully i would love it with the same intensity that everyone else does. But I want deep concealment (hammer fully down gives me peace of mind that it wont snag on anything) and a LONG double action first shot.
I actually had an idea a while back but never acted on it because i dont feel nervous thumbing down my hammer. You could make a little foam triangle that you stick in between the hammer and the firing pin channel. then you just thumb the hammer down to the foam, release the trigger, then pull the foam out and the hammer will either be on half cock, or all the way down depending on the width of the triangle. I think this could be useful for people who are scared to drop the hammer on a live round. just put it on your keychain and carry your decocker in your pocket.
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For those not comfortable lowering the hammer with thumb-only, or using the pinch method, try my method. What I do is this:
1) RAMI is loaded up, slide racked, and ends up cocked.
2) Insert the middle-bone of your left thumb (or joint, or thumb, whatever is more comfortable for you) between hammer and slide (so that it contacts the hammer) . This prevents the hammer from falling forward, and could be considered a second firing pin block.
3) Press and immediately release the trigger. The hammer moves out of the sear engagement and now rests on your thumb bone (after having moved just a tiny bit). The firing pin block was only deactivated during that split second you pressed the trigger. Now that the trigger is released again, the gun's firing pin block is active again.
4) Now remove the thumb upwards to let the hammer slide into the half-cock position.
People always tell my that this is a lame method, and I should practice using the thumb-on-hammer method instead. My response is that I believe this my method is safer since the hammer is actually blocked by the thumb, and there is no way for the hammer to slip off the thumb. This method works better for me since it's fast, safe and fool^H^H^H^Hslip-proof, which is important for situations where you might be under stress or tired or for some other reason have not the proper focus for hammer-on-thumb control.
The draw-back is that you have to use both hands, whereas with practice, the hammer-on-thumb decocking could be done one-handed.
Note that this method (as least in my opinion) works very well on the RAMI due to the hammer and slide width and contours. It doesn't work quite as comfortable on 75's, mainly due to the slimmer hammer, but can still be done.
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Obiwan, I?ve heard of your method, and think it?s a great one. I?m used to revolvers so have no issue thumbing the hammer. BUT, I always keep in mind that I?m dealing with a ring hammer and not a spur hammer.
That?s the biggest thing people forget about when coming from revolvers, that spur hammer makes it so nice and easy to thumb down. The ring hammer is quite a bit smaller, and in a high stress situation, your method would be a smart choice when the adrenaline is pumping.
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I am also a revolver guy, I really don't see any advantage of the decocker version of this gun. Maybe if it dropped the hammer all the way, but to only go to half cock, I'll stick with the less complicated, smoother action, more carrying option, safety model.
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I'm also a revolver guy been shooting them for 50 years. I own both models of the Rami and my newer BD model has the better D/A and S/A trigger. When shooting my revolvers I'm D/A only that must be why I adapted so easy to CZ pistols. I even replaced my old trusty 1911 with a CZ 97 BD and my Highpower with a SPO1. Life is good see ya at the range!
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My 75 B matte stainless allows safety on in half cocked position as well as full cocked.
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Is it Cajunized? David told me that getting (forget which) package would allow the safety to engage at 1/2 cock but not function - in plain english, giving a false sense of security. I have a 75B High Polish that the safety will not engage in 1/2 cock position but that hasn't been sent in to CGW yet.
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My 75 B matte stainless allows safety on in half cocked position as well as full cocked.
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Is it Cajunized? David told me that getting (forget which) package would allow the safety to engage at 1/2 cock but not function - in plain english, giving a false sense of security. I have a 75B High Polish that the safety will not engage in 1/2 cock position but that hasn't been sent in to CGW yet.
No. It's not cajunized. It's completely stock. It definitely engages and it definitely works.
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And if you read your owners manual, it definitely says to only use the safety at full cock.[emoji6]