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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZF KADET KLUB => Topic started by: Faraway on March 24, 2018, 10:09:52 PM
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I see the Kadet 2 kits are not available from CZ at this time. Anyone know, is this a supply issue or something else?
IMHO, the newer kits seem cheaper in both price and construction.
What is the value of the original Kadet kits? They work perfectly fine with the orginal CZ75? So are they still desirble?
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Usually a supply issue. Not that they are not desirable. I think the quality is the same for the Kadet 1 & 2 kits. The kits for the P-series pistols look cheaply made compared to the 75 series kits.
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CZ-USA receives shipments from CZ-UB by the container load. No one knows when things will arrive, and even if they do things can get delayed in customs.
The Kadet 2 has always been very popular and goes out of stock quickly. When they are available they're priced better at places like Bud's and Whittaker Guns than at CZ.
Your original Kadet kit should be worth the same as a Kadet 2 to someone that has a pistol it will fit. I wouldn't sell one for less just because it won't fit an Omega gun.
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I ordered the kadet gen 2 kit for my CZ75BD from sonsoflibertygunworks.com two days ago, because they were the only retailer I could find that showed in stock (their website said 83 in stock at the time of purchase). The next day I got a call from them saying that their website hadn't been updating and they reached out to their distributor who said that the kadet kits were being discontinued.
I have an e-mail in to cz-usa customer service, so hopefully that will clear things up and they are just on backorder...
Just bought my CZ75BD and am loving it, but would love to have the kadet kit to go along with it!
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The way the kits sell, I'd be truly surprised if they were being discontinued. That would be like CZ throwing money away.
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The only Kadet listed as discontinued on the CZ site is the full pistol. I highly doubt the Kadet kit is discontinued.
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What do the full dedicated Kadet pistols (in .22lr) sell for these days? Never see then anymore.
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The Kadet kit is not on the list of products discontinued for 2018 that I was provided in late 2017.
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For an SP-01, the advice I was given from CS at CZ-USA, was that I could order the 1610 version form them directly or find them in the market. However, the new 1612 version was being shipped to their preferred dealers for now and later on they will be available directly or more generally on the market. That transition to generally available isn?t expected to happen till the 4th quarter or so.
As a result, I got mine from Ghost. You do have to dig a little to find the 1612 version. Many folks you get on the phone don?t even realize there is a difference between the 1610 and the 1612, but I find the differences to be significant.
When I get home, I will plan for an break in and accuracy test of the 1612 to determine if it runs as good as the 1610 versions.
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What's the difference?
01612 is listed on the CZ website.
Edit...found it at CZ Custom as 91612.
It's a totally different design.
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For those of us nomenclature numerically challenged types, the SKU 01610 from CZ-USA is the CZ 75 Kadet 2 kit that?s been around for a while. The SKU 91612 from the CZ Custom website is for the recently released CZ 75 SP-01 Kadet kit specifically designed for the Shadow series frames.
https://www.czub.cz/en/produkty/pistole/adaptery.html
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Also note that the weight difference would suggest a design that has more in common with the P07 and P09 Kadets as it is listed as weighing .28 kg compared to .48 kg for the Kadet II. While the profile may be more in line with the SP01, if weight and typical balance are important then the lighter weight upper will affect that some. Only the market can decide if it'll be popular or not. Personally I really appreciate that switching to 22lr doesn't make my 75 feel like it should have an orange muzzle thingy.
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I have spoken with CZ USA web store and they have new kadets in but they are currently in quality control I was told. Keep checking the website they will be in stock soon! I was able to pick one up today from fountain firearms here in Houston. I was told they have one more kadet 2 kit in stock now. It is the 01610 model.
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The 1610 is the previous model, and the 1612 is the new one.
I just got home from my first range session with the 1612 and I am hooked.
It ate everything I fed it. It ran and grouped well even with cheap ammo. Can't say enough good about it.
It may not be at target competition grade accuracy, but comes very close.
The new style polymer magazines were easy to load because they now have an external follower button similar to Ruger or S&W.
I can recommend this as a good teaching tool for introducing folks to a SP-01 operation before graduation to 9mm.
https://imgur.com/a/OeBvN
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I have spoken with CZ USA web store and they have new kadets in but they are currently in quality control I was told. Keep checking the website they will be in stock soon! I was able to pick one up today from fountain firearms here in Houston. I was told they have one more kadet 2 kit in stock now. It is the 01610 model.
Do you know if they are normally (when in stock) available direct from them on their webstore? A search on their site doesn't seem to find anything (not even listing out of stock).
Can (should?) you use the 01612 on a CZ75BD though? If it's for the newer shadow frames, I'm not sure.
I have the 75BD and just want a kadet kit for that.
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Here is fountain firearms number 281-561-8447. I picked up mine yesterday at 5 PM and was told they had another in stock. CZ USA I spoke to by phone a week or 2 ago. They said they would eventually be up for sale on their website, but would not give me a time frame. I do not know about the 01612 model, sorry. Below is a link to the fountain firearms website http://fountainfirearms.us/parts-gear/upper-conversion-kits-high-capacity/cz-75-kadet-22-caliber-conversion-kit-for-cz7585-platforms-234 (http://fountainfirearms.us/parts-gear/upper-conversion-kits-high-capacity/cz-75-kadet-22-caliber-conversion-kit-for-cz7585-platforms-234) good luck. I would call fountain firearms before ordering theirs online to verify they have another in stock.
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Here is the CZ web store number (800) 955-4486. Choose the parts option. I was told the factory made some small modifications to the Kadet kits and they were sent to quality control before they were sold through the web store. They had no idea how long that process would take, i was only told to keep checking the website. I found one here in Houston before they were on the cz site so i grabbed it. Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the info, I did see that Fountain Firearms shows one in stock, but they want $40 shipping to Boston as the cheapest option. I'd really like a kadet adapter, but am willing to wait a bit and see if I can grab one for a bit cheaper.
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I have spoken with CZ USA web store and they have new kadets in but they are currently in quality control I was told. Keep checking the website they will be in stock soon! I was able to pick one up today from fountain firearms here in Houston. I was told they have one more kadet 2 kit in stock now. It is the 01610 model.
Do you know if they are normally (when in stock) available direct from them on their webstore? A search on their site doesn't seem to find anything (not even listing out of stock).
Can (should?) you use the 01612 on a CZ75BD though? If it's for the newer shadow frames, I'm not sure.
I have the 75BD and just want a kadet kit for that.
The kits are available through the webstore when available. It's not unusual for CZ to remove items that are not in stock.
Whether, or not, you could or should use it on a BD, there is this from CZ-USA...
DESCRIPTION
The CZ 75 Kadet conversion kit is a separate accessory for the CZ 75/85 pistol series allowing the firing of .22 LR caliber cartridges.
The CZ 75 fitted with the Kadet .22LR conversion is the perfect training or plinking pistol with the slide weighted and balanced just like the CZ 75. The Kadet adapter features all-steel construction and an adjustable rear sight.
Included are 2 10-round magazines that fit flush with grips of the full size CZ 75 and SP-01 models. The Kadet conversion kit will work on the CZ 75 full-size and compact models including the 75, 85, SP-01, 75 Compact, P-01, P-06, and PCR, but note that the full-size magazines will extend out of the bottom of the shorter grips on these models. The Kadet conversion will not work on the 97, 75 TS, 2075 RAMI, SP-01 Phantom, P-07 or P-09 models. Pre-B model 75s may or may not function with the Kadet due to differing magwell dimensions.
When used on an aluminum-framed compact model (PCR, P-01 and P-06) as well as the steel-framed Compact .40, a specific slide-stop is required for proper last-round hold-open (part number 0440008002, available at no charge through our parts department). On 85 models, the 85 slide stop must be used but will not enable last-round hold-open.
When used in competition-oriented or modified 75 series pistols like the Shadow, a factory-weight 75 mainspring may be required to provide proper primer ignition.
I think the new kit should work on a BD. That said, I'd wait for the Kadet 2. The design is much more robust than the new kit, IMO.
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I have spoken with CZ USA web store and they have new kadets in but they are currently in quality control I was told. Keep checking the website they will be in stock soon! I was able to pick one up today from fountain firearms here in Houston. I was told they have one more kadet 2 kit in stock now. It is the 01610 model.
Do you know if they are normally (when in stock) available direct from them on their webstore? A search on their site doesn't seem to find anything (not even listing out of stock).
Can (should?) you use the 01612 on a CZ75BD though? If it's for the newer shadow frames, I'm not sure.
I have the 75BD and just want a kadet kit for that.
The kits are available through the webstore when available. It's not unusual for CZ to remove items that are not in stock.
Whether, or not, you could or should use it on a BD, there is this from CZ-USA...
DESCRIPTION
The CZ 75 Kadet conversion kit is a separate accessory for the CZ 75/85 pistol series allowing the firing of .22 LR caliber cartridges.
The CZ 75 fitted with the Kadet .22LR conversion is the perfect training or plinking pistol with the slide weighted and balanced just like the CZ 75. The Kadet adapter features all-steel construction and an adjustable rear sight.
Included are 2 10-round magazines that fit flush with grips of the full size CZ 75 and SP-01 models. The Kadet conversion kit will work on the CZ 75 full-size and compact models including the 75, 85, SP-01, 75 Compact, P-01, P-06, and PCR, but note that the full-size magazines will extend out of the bottom of the shorter grips on these models. The Kadet conversion will not work on the 97, 75 TS, 2075 RAMI, SP-01 Phantom, P-07 or P-09 models. Pre-B model 75s may or may not function with the Kadet due to differing magwell dimensions.
When used on an aluminum-framed compact model (PCR, P-01 and P-06) as well as the steel-framed Compact .40, a specific slide-stop is required for proper last-round hold-open (part number 0440008002, available at no charge through our parts department). On 85 models, the 85 slide stop must be used but will not enable last-round hold-open.
When used in competition-oriented or modified 75 series pistols like the Shadow, a factory-weight 75 mainspring may be required to provide proper primer ignition.
I think the new kit should work on a BD. That said, I'd wait for the Kadet 2. The design is much more robust than the new kit, IMO.
I can only speak to the Kadet 2, it is a very high quality kit. Based on that, I agree with Painter. Wait for the Kadet 2. You will not be disappointed.
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Sounds good everyone, I'll plan on waiting until the 01610 is in stock and grab that.
To clarify, the 01610 IS the Kadet 2 everyone is talking about, correct?
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Sounds good everyone, I'll plan on waiting until the 01610 is in stock and grab that.
To clarify, the 01610 IS the Kadet 2 everyone is talking about, correct?
Correct.
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Looks like grabagun just got some in stock. Grabbed one myself for $399.
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Just ordered on from the same place. I always get nervous with these CZ adapters. I get the call the next day saying, sorry mistake on website we don't have any available right now! Hopefully this is not the case!
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Just ordered on from the same place. I always get nervous with these CZ adapters. I get the call the next day saying, sorry mistake on website we don't have any available right now! Hopefully this is not the case!
I hear ya. That's what happened to me on sons of liberty gun works. They said 83 in stock, and then I got a call saying they don't have any and their computer system isn't updating...this was about a month ago. I just checked and they still haven't updated their website!
I signed up for e-mail notifications on grabagun to let me know when they had more conversion kits and just got the e-mail yesterday which is when I put my order in. Now their website shows out of stock. Here's hoping we both get a shipment notification soon!
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I have spoken with CZ USA web store and they have new kadets in but they are currently in quality control I was told. Keep checking the website they will be in stock soon! I was able to pick one up today from fountain firearms here in Houston. I was told they have one more kadet 2 kit in stock now. It is the 01610 model.
Do you know if they are normally (when in stock) available direct from them on their webstore? A search on their site doesn't seem to find anything (not even listing out of stock).
Can (should?) you use the 01612 on a CZ75BD though? If it's for the newer shadow frames, I'm not sure.
I have the 75BD and just want a kadet kit for that.
PM sent
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Just ordered on from the same place. I always get nervous with these CZ adapters. I get the call the next day saying, sorry mistake on website we don't have any available right now! Hopefully this is not the case!
You should have knocked on some wood after saying that. I just got an e-mail saying my order has been refunded to do an inventory mistake.
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Me also, can?t stand when these companies do this. Cheaper than dirt had them available last night at a higher price, should have ordered it from them. Keep me posted if you find any.