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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: fflmike on March 30, 2018, 10:30:48 PM
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I was going to use Primary Machine for the slide milling combo and I had a couple of questions. I have left a message twice and have not received a call back. Any other suggestions? I can get the Vortex Viper but need to get the slide done. CGW also does it but just looking for suggestions.
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I was going to use Primary Machine for the slide milling combo and I had a couple of questions. I have left a message twice and have not received a call back. Any other suggestions? I can get the Vortex Viper but need to get the slide done. CGW also does it but just looking for suggestions.
Did you try sending a PM? Bruce of Primary Machine is on here... (His nick is Raining_Brass.)
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He answers emails very quickly as well.
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I'm sorry, but a little old fashioned. I really wanted to talk to someone and ask some questions when spending that much money.
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I'm sorry, but a little old fashioned. I really wanted to talk to someone and ask some questions when spending that much money.
No need to apologise, maybe if you emailed him and set up a phone call. . .
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Raining brass at primary machines got back to me quickly, as was said, send him a p.m. he'll answer.
He does very nice work. He milled my PO 9 for a Vortex Viper, it's so tight you couldn't fit a piece of paper in there.
And the titanium cerakote on the slide is great, I would not hesitate to use him again.
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I sent him a PM. Thanks
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I have the Vortex Viper on the way. It is gonna be fun. Never used one on a pistol. I have one on a 22 rifle.
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I have the Vortex Viper on the way. It is gonna be fun. Never used one on a pistol. I have one on a 22 rifle.
The Vortex Viper on the PO 9 for my old eyes, ( and many others have said the same thing probably of my age)
is the best thing I ever did for my pistol, and my shooting skills. In the past I used to use one eye now I use both eyes Target acquisition is immediate.
when I go out to target practice , I only practice for self-defense, for me as long as I can draw as quickly as I possibly can and put two shots Center Mass, it's all good for me👍😎
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I have the Vortex Viper on the way. It is gonna be fun. Never used one on a pistol. I have one on a 22 rifle.
The Vortex Viper on the PO 9 for my old eyes, ( and many others have said the same thing probably of my age)
is the best thing I ever did for my pistol, and my shooting skills. In the past I used to use one eye now I use both eyes Target acquisition is immediate.
when I go out to target practice , I only practice for self-defense, for me as long as I can draw as quickly as I possibly can and put two shots Center Mass, it's all good for me👍😎
Almost 68 and I still shoot pretty well especially with rifles. Do pretty well with pistols too but thought it would be a fun project and I might really like it.
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Just for grins, I am thinking about trading my suppressor height night sights that are on this gun for regular height night sights for my black P-07. Not sure I am too worried about the co-witness thing on this P-07. Gonna lose my rear anyway. Any thoughts on this move?
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Just for grins, I am thinking about trading my suppressor height night sights that are on this gun for regular height night sights for my black P-07. Not sure I am too worried about the co-witness thing on this P-07. Gonna lose my rear anyway. Any thoughts on this move?
IMHO, I don't have Co witness sights and probably won't do it, that's just for me. Many others will tell you differently and what they like to do. If it's just a Target gun I don't think I need them. For self-defense it's personal choice.
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I actually carry an M&P Shield and sometimes my Glock 43, and am very comfortable with that choice. I will be using it as a range gun primarily.
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I changed my mind and ordered a F/O front sight for the black P-07. I'll leave the elevated front sight on the UG getting the Optic.
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Haven't heard anything from Primary Machine, but it is Easter weekend. Maybe I'll hear from them next week. I'll chill. Gotta wait till the Vortex Viper gets here anyway.
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People actually expect a return call or email response on a holiday weekend? I thought you said you were old fashioned.
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I am kinda old fashioned, and yes I was expecting a response to my voice mails this week after leaving a message on Monday and again on Thursday. No I'm not expecting a response this weekend and I'm chillin. I'm sure I'll hear next week.
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I changed my mind and ordered a F/O front sight for the black P-07. I'll leave the elevated front sight on the UG getting the Optic.
Primary has milled both a P-07 and P-09 for Venom. I'm very pleased with their work and relatively quick turnaround time. They've always responded quickly via email during normal biz hours.
As a point of reference here's an image of my P-07 SR with the stock tall tritium front sight. For me it serves very well as BUIS with the lines on the Venom body for defensive purposes. The Viper should sit a bit lower on the milled slide and may co-witness differently. -I think you're going to find a Vortex RDS on a P-07 is a great combo.
(https://i.imgur.com/6sCkiy0.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/6xr7fXZ.jpg?1)
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The venom is about a two month back-order from the dealer I'm ordering it from. Out of stock almost everywhere. The Viper is actually more compact even if it does have the battery compartment drawback. So I ordered the Viper.
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The venom is about a two month back-order from the dealer I'm ordering it from. Out of stock almost everywhere. The Viper is actually more compact even if it does have the battery compartment drawback. So I ordered the Viper.
Primary does offer a 'package deal' savings with either the Viper or Venom and milling. Not sure of their RDS stock situation though??
Anyhow, I'm sure you'll be pleased with the Viper. It has the advantage of sitting lower.
If you're not using for defense the BUIS are not really necessary anyhow IMO.
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The venom is about a two month back-order from the dealer I'm ordering it from. Out of stock almost everywhere. The Viper is actually more compact even if it does have the battery compartment drawback. So I ordered the Viper.
Primary does offer a 'package deal' savings with either the Viper or Venom and milling. Not sure of their RDS stock situation though??
Anyhow, I'm sure you'll be pleased with the Viper. It has the advantage of sitting lower.
If you're not using for defense the BUIS are not really necessary anyhow IMO.
I was originally looking at the combo, but a dealer friend on another forum made be a very good deal on the Vortex rds.
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Phone calls are very hard for us. We don't have someone available to hang around the phone all day and if we're out in the shop, etc, obviously we will not answer. Email is a far, far better way to contact us. It's much faster and helps us remember who we talked to and what we talked to them about. Phone is simply not ideal most of the time.
As many in here have said, we will respond to emails very, very fast. Much faster than the vast majority of any other company in the industry will. It is not unusual for us to exchange several back and forth emails with a customer within a 24 hour period.
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Phone calls are very hard for us. We don't have someone available to hang around the phone all day and if we're out in the shop, etc, obviously we will not answer. Email is a far, far better way to contact us. It's much faster and helps us remember who we talked to and what we talked to them about. Phone is simply not ideal most of the time.
As many in here have said, we will respond to emails very, very fast. Much faster than the vast majority of any other company in the industry will. It is not unusual for us to exchange several back and forth emails with a customer within a 24 hour period.
I understand now. Sorry. I talked to you via PM this morning. I got the Viper in this morning. I did all the process on your website and the slide and Viper are now on the way to you. I took the rear site off since you were not going to use it The front site is still on the slide even though the night sight in it is dead. CZ is sending me a new one to replace it. Thanks for your time and help.
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Phone calls are very hard for us. We don't have someone available to hang around the phone all day and if we're out in the shop, etc, obviously we will not answer. Email is a far, far better way to contact us. It's much faster and helps us remember who we talked to and what we talked to them about. Phone is simply not ideal most of the time.
As many in here have said, we will respond to emails very, very fast. Much faster than the vast majority of any other company in the industry will. It is not unusual for us to exchange several back and forth emails with a customer within a 24 hour period.
I understand now. Sorry. I talked to you via PM this morning. I got the Viper in this morning. I did all the process on your website and the slide and Viper are now on the way to you. I took the rear site off since you were not going to use it The front site is still on the slide even though the night sight in it is dead. CZ is sending me a new one to replace it. Thanks for your time and help.
Not a problem at all.
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Got the confirmation email that it was received. That was cool, and a pleasant surprise. Won't be long now.
I have seen lots of pictures of these RDS's on handguns, but when I opened the Viper box I was amazed how small it was. Looked tiny in the box, LOL.
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I sent my P-07 slide off to Primary Machine on the 04/02 and they received it on the 4th. I just got an email that said it is being shipped back to me today. That is outstanding customer service!!!! Thank you for your help!.
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I sent my P-07 slide off to Primary Machine on the 04/02 and they received it on the 4th. I just got an email that said it is being shipped back to me today. That is outstanding customer service!!!! Thank you for your help!.
I had my P - 09 milled for a Vortex Viper RDS and they cerakoted the slide.
from the time I left my house till the time it came back was 11 days, primary machines is the best
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I sent my P-07 slide off to Primary Machine on the 04/02 and they received it on the 4th. I just got an email that said it is being shipped back to me today. That is outstanding customer service!!!! Thank you for your help!.
I had my P - 09 milled for a Vortex Viper RDS and they cerakoted the slide.
from the time I left my house till the time it came back was 11 days, primary machines is the best
They only had it for 8 days. I can't wait, LOL
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I sent my P-07 slide off to Primary Machine on the 04/02 and they received it on the 4th. I just got an email that said it is being shipped back to me today. That is outstanding customer service!!!! Thank you for your help!.
I had my P - 09 milled for a Vortex Viper RDS and they cerakoted the slide.
from the time I left my house till the time it came back was 11 days, primary machines is the best
They only had it for 8 days. I can't wait, LOL
8 days for you living in Texas going to Louisiana. Mine was from Pennsylvania out and back in 11 days :)
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Looking forward to images of the finished project; and of course a range report of how it shoots!!
-Vinny
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Looking forward to images of the finished project; and of course a range report of how it shoots!!
-Vinny
So am I, LOL
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8 days for you living in Texas going to Louisiana. Mine was from Pennsylvania out and back in 11 days :)
Nearly all of my packages coming from Louisiana go to Tennessee and then to Texas. Cracks me up.
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Post Office tracking says it won't be here till Monday :(. Not nearly as efficient as Primary Machine ;). May show up Saturday. Sometimes it works that way.
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Post Office tracking says it won't be here till Monday :(. Not nearly as efficient as Primary Machine ;). May show up Saturday. Sometimes it works that way.
Did you mention what finish you went with on the slide??
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Did you mention what finish you went with on the slide??
Graphite Black. With the urban gray frame and the black Talon grip, I thought it would look good.
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Kickin around the idea of putting the Stealth Compensator on it, but haven't made up my mind. Maybe later.
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Did you mention what finish you went with on the slide??
Graphite Black. With the urban gray frame and the black Talon grip, I thought it would look good.
Great Choice! I'll bet it will look stunning.
I've come to really appreciate the overall shoot-ability of the P-07. Absolutely stone reliable; on par or better than my Glock 17 G4, with greater accuracy and better ergonomics. And now with RDS, it's become my overall fave. It took me a while to get used to the decocker compared to my RAMI BD, P-01, SP-01 Tactical; but after several thousand flawless rounds the stiffness smoothed out and it's now easy to flick down with my strong-hand thumb. Ditto with trigger; smoothed out beautifully.
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I have been shooting 1911's and Sigs for a long time. Since I got my first CZ P10c, I have become a big fan. I now have two P-07's and a P-09 also. CGW and Primary Machine are great company's with outstanding services, and they really support this forum. It is refreshing to see.
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Post office must be walking it to you.
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Primary Machine is indicating the Vortex Venom/Viper aren't readily available. Are there other optics in the same price range that would work just as well? I've used Vortex on my carbines and PCCs, so I'm happy and used to them, but I am willing to put something else on my SP-01 Tactical if need be. Kind of a rush...
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If you're in a rush order a Trijicon RMR and 1911 adapter plate and send it over. http://primarymachine.com/cz-75-85-1911-mill-for-rmr-using-trijicon-1911-adaptor/
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Primary Machine is indicating the Vortex Venom/Viper aren't readily available. Are there other optics in the same price range that would work just as well? I've used Vortex on my carbines and PCCs, so I'm happy and used to them, but I am willing to put something else on my SP-01 Tactical if need be. Kind of a rush...
https://smile.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Venom-Red-Sight/dp/B00S2P2J90/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1523631003&sr=8-2&keywords=vortex+viper+red+dot
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Post office must be walking it to you.
LOL, I'm kinda used to it, and by the way, Thank You!
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Post office must be walking it to you.
LOL, I'm kinda used to it, and by the way, Thank You!
No problem
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If you're in a rush order a Trijicon RMR and 1911 adapter plate and send it over. http://primarymachine.com/cz-75-85-1911-mill-for-rmr-using-trijicon-1911-adaptor/
That looks like a very clean set-up for a 75 Full or Compact. Only question/concern is what height front sight would lower 1/3 co-witness correctly?
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If you're in a rush order a Trijicon RMR and 1911 adapter plate and send it over. http://primarymachine.com/cz-75-85-1911-mill-for-rmr-using-trijicon-1911-adaptor/
That looks like a very clean set-up for a 75 Full or Compact. Only question/concern is what height front sight would lower 1/3 co-witness correctly?
90% of people are using the CZ front that comes on the suppressor ready models. Haven't been able to see how the POA/POI is yet, but it must be pretty bleep close since I haven't heard anything and we've done a few dozen of them that way now.
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If you're in a rush order a Trijicon RMR and 1911 adapter plate and send it over. http://primarymachine.com/cz-75-85-1911-mill-for-rmr-using-trijicon-1911-adaptor/
That looks like a very clean set-up for a 75 Full or Compact. Only question/concern is what height front sight would lower 1/3 co-witness correctly?
90% of people are using the CZ front that comes on the suppressor ready models. Haven't been able to see how the POA/POI is yet, but it must be pretty bleep close since I haven't heard anything and we've done a few dozen of them that way now.
The Trijicon plate with the attached tritium rear iron is a great solution for 75's.
You're undoubtedly right about the CZ SR front, but would love to have someone who has this set-up confirm POA/POI.
I believe the shorter barrel compacts would require a slightly different front than full size 75's due to slightly different barrel tilt at lockup.
I have a CZ-75 #2 p/n 0421070016 front on hand that measures .347 top to surface of slide. Of course with RDS as your main sight; it's only a BUIS but IMO for defensive purposes it should be as close as possible. For target or sport it is probably unnecessary anyhow.
I suppose worst case if it's off a bit; Dawson could custom make one for you if they don't already offer the correct height. Dawson is very accommodating if you're patient.
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Post office must be walking it to you.
It is "out for delivery" today a little early, LOL.
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It arrived today. Sure looks purdy!
(http://www.greenlawnsports.com/p07_ug.jpg)
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Did you mention what finish you went with on the slide??
Graphite Black. With the urban gray frame and the black Talon grip, I thought it would look good.
Great Choice! I'll bet it will look stunning.
I've come to really appreciate the overall shoot-ability of the P-07. Absolutely stone reliable; on par or better than my Glock 17 G4, with greater accuracy and better ergonomics. And now with RDS, it's become my overall fave. It took me a while to get used to the decocker compared to my RAMI BD, P-01, SP-01 Tactical; but after several thousand flawless rounds the stiffness smoothed out and it's now easy to flick down with my strong-hand thumb. Ditto with trigger; smoothed out beautifully.
The Graphite Black cerakoting looks fabulous! Very Very pleased!
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Sweet!
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Primary Machine is about as solid as they come! They milled my P07 and cerakoted the slide on my P80 build...both were top knotch and their turnaround time are unmatched.
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Primary Machine is about as solid as they come! They milled my P07 and cerakoted the slide on my P80 build...both were top knotch and their turnaround time are unmatched.
Absolutely.
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Primary Machine is about as solid as they come! They milled my P07 and cerakoted the slide on my P80 build...both were top knotch and their turnaround time are unmatched.
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Thank you sir!
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Everyone said there is a learning curve. I guess the first lesson learned is to take the adjustment tools, LOL. I was grouping fairly good, just shooting low left. It did give me a chance to see where the front sight is in relation to the two rear locking marks. They actually make a good emergency rear sight. Just a little low. I'll take the tools on the next trip.
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Your set up mirrors mine, although mine is with a RMR.
You can just use the glass window as a big ghost ring with your front sight, and still get good hits out to 25 meters. Not bulleye groups but a group good enough for real life encounters.
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Your set up mirrors mine, although mine is with a RMR.
You can just use the glass window as a big ghost ring with your front sight, and still get good hits out to 25 meters. Not bulleye groups but a group good enough for real life encounters.
Yes but the Viper has two locking screws in the back and they really work well as rear sights as long as you know where they are in relation to the front.
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Crappy pic but you get the drift, LOL
(http://www.greenlawnsports.com/viper.JPG)
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I had a lunch meeting yesterday with a 17 year vet of an American Tier 1 unit, after lunch I showed him my P07 with RMR that had CGW magic done on it.
He will be buying a P07 in the near future and getting it with the same set up.
So it was a great day, good food and beer,spread CZ love, and a JV between a USA company made up of Tier 1 guys and my company made up with Mossad and Tier 1 Israeli lads.
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Went to the range today and even remembered to take the Viper tools. Got it sighted in at 10 yards and shot about 30 rounds included with the sighting in. Moved to 15 yards and shot four 17 round mags at this target. farthest shot is 3.25" from center. Guess it's not terrible wiggling that much. Best shots were definitely the last two mags. Sure got to get used to that wiggling dot, LOL.
(http://www.greenlawnsports.com/vipertarget.jpg)
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Went to the range today and even remembered to take the Viper tools. Got it sighted in at 10 yards and shot about 30 rounds included with the sighting in. Moved to 15 yards and shot four 17 round mags at this target. farthest shot is 3.25" from center. Guess it's not terrible wiggling that much. Best shots were definitely the last two mags. Sure got to get used to that wiggling dot, LOL.
Pretty good for 1st outing. Do you have the 3moa or the 6moa dot?? What's great about the RDS is you can tighten up that wiggling with just dry fire practice.
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Pretty good for 1st outing. Do you have the 3moa or the 6moa dot?? What's great about the RDS is you can tighten up that wiggling with just dry fire practice.
Thanks. 6 moa. I have been doing some dry firing. The last magazine was almost all low bulls eyes. I didn't want to change the sight any more till I am sure it is low and not just me. I think I'm really gonna like it, but it sure is a big change, LOL. The only RDS I have had before this one is on a Savage 22 rifle and without magnification it is pretty much worthless past 40yds for these old eyes to see the target, but it is deadly at 25 to 40 yards.
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The group was shot at 25 meters and was 100 rounds of Underwood 124 grn +P+ ammo. The reason the group slops down and left is due to fighting a left arm injury as my pain level went up along with fatigue the group sagged.
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Cool