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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: warbird1 on September 30, 2018, 03:08:23 PM
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Bought it used. I am sure it has had trigger work but I have no idea by whom. Recently purchased it and after cleaning put 120 rds through it. Shot great. So great that I ordered a Wright Leather carry holster. After cleaning it I was dry firing it about two weeks ago using a snap cap. After about 12 pulls the trigger failed to rebound. I can cock it back to single action and pull the trigger. It works. Will not pull in DA. I took it to a local gunsmith a week ago so now I am waiting. Very frustrating. Never seen anything like it. >:( :(
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Sounds like the dreaded trigger return spring that everyone can get to break but me. They are not hard to change. I'd get it back from the smith and fix it myself.
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Sounds like the dreaded trigger return spring that everyone can get to break but me. They are not hard to change. I'd get it back from the smith and fix it myself.
I agree, this is a pretty easy fix.
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I had a trigger return spring break in my P-09 sent it to back to CZ . They fixed it pretty quickly . My gun was like new old stock but they fixed it anyways . They paid shipping both ways .
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Definitely nothing worth sending back to CZ or bringing to a gunsmith for. 2 minutes and it's swapped.
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I never had the return spring break in either the 07 or the 09...hmm, that bites.
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None of mine ever broke, but awhile back I installed the CGW reduced power trigger return springs anyway, just in case. The CGW parts have a better reputation (for not breaking + slightly reducing trigger pull weights).
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It?s the only must replace part in the CZ. It?s a shame but it?s a notorious QC problem for CZ. I broke 7-8 in about a year many years ago.
Also, if CGW didn?t exist, CZ would have a MUCH harder time selling pistols in the US.
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It?s the only must replace part in the CZ. It?s a shame but it?s a notorious QC problem for CZ. I broke 7-8 in about a year many years ago.
Also, if CGW didn?t exist, CZ would have a MUCH harder time selling pistols in the US.
Gee I wish I could have one break and join this elite club. Sadly in tens of thousands of rounds fired through 7 different CZ's I've yet to break one.
As much as I like CGW I do have some of the CZ Custom enhanced springs on hand just in case,not interested in the reduced power version.
CZ would likely survive even without the US market.
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Seems like I remember reading, here, that there was a batch of bad springs CZ used several years ago. They went through a spell of broken trigger return springs, CGW started having better quality springs made and the CZ issue pretty much went away.
I remember a guy on another forum who bought a P09 9MM. He loved it. Shot great. Trigger return spring broke. He called CZ USA and they had him ship it back for repairs. He got it back and he was happy, for two weeks till the replacement broke. He got it fixed again and sold it.
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It?s the only must replace part in the CZ. It?s a shame but it?s a notorious QC problem for CZ. I broke 7-8 in about a year many years ago.
Also, if CGW didn?t exist, CZ would have a MUCH harder time selling pistols in the US.
Gee I wish I could have one break and join this elite club. Sadly in tens of thousands of rounds fired through 7 different CZ's I've yet to break one.
As much as I like CGW I do have some of the CZ Custom enhanced springs on hand just in case,not interested in the reduced power version.
CZ would likely survive even without the US market.
Very true but not as well.
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Seems like I remember reading, here, that there was a batch of bad springs CZ used several years ago. They went through a spell of broken trigger return springs, CGW started having better quality springs made and the CZ issue pretty much went away.
I remember a guy on another forum who bought a P09 9MM. He loved it. Shot great. Trigger return spring broke. He called CZ USA and they had him ship it back for repairs. He got it back and he was happy, for two weeks till the replacement broke. He got it fixed again and sold it.
I believe it was a bad batch and I never had a gun from that batch. My 1997 vintage 75BD has north of 20,000 rounds fired and it's got it's original trs in place.
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As I recall, it only took me an hour or so to change mine out. Did it as preventive maintenance. Don't want to try it again. Watched the youtube videos, none of them worked for me. Probably just the way I held my mouth.
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Seems like I remember reading, here, that there was a batch of bad springs CZ used several years ago. They went through a spell of broken trigger return springs, CGW started having better quality springs made and the CZ issue pretty much went away.
I remember a guy on another forum who bought a P09 9MM. He loved it. Shot great. Trigger return spring broke. He called CZ USA and they had him ship it back for repairs. He got it back and he was happy, for two weeks till the replacement broke. He got it fixed again and sold it.
I believe it was a bad batch and I never had a gun from that batch. My 1997 vintage 75BD has north of 20,000 rounds fired and it's got it's original trs in place.
Dude, we get it, you haven't had the problem; however, it exists.
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Seems like I remember reading, here, that there was a batch of bad springs CZ used several years ago. They went through a spell of broken trigger return springs, CGW started having better quality springs made and the CZ issue pretty much went away.
I remember a guy on another forum who bought a P09 9MM. He loved it. Shot great. Trigger return spring broke. He called CZ USA and they had him ship it back for repairs. He got it back and he was happy, for two weeks till the replacement broke. He got it fixed again and sold it.
I believe it was a bad batch and I never had a gun from that batch. My 1997 vintage 75BD has north of 20,000 rounds fired and it's got it's original trs in place.
Dude, we get it, you haven't had the problem; however, it exists.
DUDE! I never said the problem didn't exist DUDE! I still have to wonder what you DUDES are doing to break these springs.
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Seems like I remember reading, here, that there was a batch of bad springs CZ used several years ago. They went through a spell of broken trigger return springs, CGW started having better quality springs made and the CZ issue pretty much went away.
I remember a guy on another forum who bought a P09 9MM. He loved it. Shot great. Trigger return spring broke. He called CZ USA and they had him ship it back for repairs. He got it back and he was happy, for two weeks till the replacement broke. He got it fixed again and sold it.
I believe it was a bad batch and I never had a gun from that batch. My 1997 vintage 75BD has north of 20,000 rounds fired and it's got it's original trs in place.
Dude, we get it, you haven't had the problem; however, it exists.
DUDE! I never said the problem didn't exist DUDE! I still have to wonder what you DUDES are doing to break these springs.
Buying CZ's with bad springs and doing the only thing they were designed to do is my guess.
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Seems like I remember reading, here, that there was a batch of bad springs CZ used several years ago. They went through a spell of broken trigger return springs, CGW started having better quality springs made and the CZ issue pretty much went away.
I remember a guy on another forum who bought a P09 9MM. He loved it. Shot great. Trigger return spring broke. He called CZ USA and they had him ship it back for repairs. He got it back and he was happy, for two weeks till the replacement broke. He got it fixed again and sold it.
I believe it was a bad batch and I never had a gun from that batch. My 1997 vintage 75BD has north of 20,000 rounds fired and it's got it's original trs in place.
Dude, we get it, you haven't had the problem; however, it exists.
DUDE! I never said the problem didn't exist DUDE! I still have to wonder what you DUDES are doing to break these springs.
Buying CZ's with bad springs and doing the only thing they were designed to do is my guess.
I'm really not trying to be a jerk about the trs issue.I know many people have had them break and I know it's frustrating when a product pukes out early on and trashes the fun and novelty of having something new. I've had my share of that crap to be sure. I've often wondered if the failures aren't related to dry firing (which is something I rarely do) and the trs failures?
I have had a couple CZ issues that required service but not this issue. Happily CZ service was stellar and above other brands service and they resolved the problems seamlessly.
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IIRC, I have seen posted (I believe CGW but am not sure) where dry firing mostly DA, can shorten the spring life.
It puts more pressure on the spring, causing the spring to heat up quicker, leading to a broken spring.
Couple that with a possible bad batch of springs, and you get a double whammy.
Also, I believe not oiling the spring periodically can also lead to shorter spring life. YMMV.
So if SI VIS rarely dry fires, and (just guessing here) rarely shoots DA continuously, and keeps his spring lubed he very well can be lucky enough not to have one break.
But I?ve also read where they break with little to no dry firing and even a couple breaking after less than a mag ran thru. So it can really be a crap shoot.
I know many others have been this lucky, and many others have not[emoji6] So thanks to CGW and CZC we have options to upgrade the one spring that CZ should just purchase from CGW or CZC in the first place. [emoji16]
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I shoot the first shot DA and practice that as well but the only dry firing I do is function testing after cleaning and reassembly. My pistols are always well oiled including the springs. Something else to note is care must be taken when installing these springs so as not to nick or scratch them as that can cause a weak spot and potential breaking point.
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I believe I do remember someone mentioning back then that a dry trigger return spring wasn't good for the life of them.
I put a drop of oil on that spring/pin every time I clean or lube the pistol. It's easy to see/get to and easy to put a drop of Mobil 1 on.
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Well, got the pistol back on this past Monday and took it to the range on Tuesday. Thirty rounds down range and same problem. Fortunately they didn't charge me for the repair. Same shop that I bought it at and I am a regular customer. They now have it back again. I have several CZ's and this is the first to ever give me a problem.
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Well, got the pistol back on this past Monday and took it to the range on Tuesday. Thirty rounds down range and same problem. Fortunately they didn't charge me for the repair. Same shop that I bought it at and I am a regular customer. They now have it back again. I have several CZ's and this is the first to ever give me a problem.
I would suggest the CGW spring.
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Seems like I remember reading, here, that there was a batch of bad springs CZ used several years ago. They went through a spell of broken trigger return springs, CGW started having better quality springs made and the CZ issue pretty much went away.
I remember a guy on another forum who bought a P09 9MM. He loved it. Shot great. Trigger return spring broke. He called CZ USA and they had him ship it back for repairs. He got it back and he was happy, for two weeks till the replacement broke. He got it fixed again and sold it.
I believe it was a bad batch and I never had a gun from that batch. My 1997 vintage 75BD has north of 20,000 rounds fired and it's got it's original trs in place.
Dude, we get it, you haven't had the problem; however, it exists.
DUDE! I never said the problem didn't exist DUDE! I still have to wonder what you DUDES are doing to break these springs.
Buying CZ's with bad springs and doing the only thing they were designed to do is my guess.
I'm really not trying to be a jerk about the trs issue.I know many people have had them break and I know it's frustrating when a product pukes out early on and trashes the fun and novelty of having something new. I've had my share of that crap to be sure. I've often wondered if the failures aren't related to dry firing (which is something I rarely do) and the trs failures?
I have had a couple CZ issues that required service but not this issue. Happily CZ service was stellar and above other brands service and they resolved the problems seamlessly.
I would have to agree with all that my friend.
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Well, got the pistol back on this past Monday and took it to the range on Tuesday. Thirty rounds down range and same problem. Fortunately they didn't charge me for the repair. Same shop that I bought it at and I am a regular customer. They now have it back again. I have several CZ's and this is the first to ever give me a problem.
I would suggest the CGW spring.
Ditto, since they're about $7.00each, I'd buy 2-3, with any DA/SA pistol, the TRS is going to be the weak point, no matter if it's a HK,Beretta, or CZ, ALL have been known to break TRS's, it's just the nature of the beast. Plan on it happening, and have a few spares on hand, learn to replace them yourself, (this is where CGW's removable trigger pin comes in..if you have a P01, PCR,75 compact, or a full size 75 series pistol, not needed on the P07/09) and save some $$ Really, it's not that hard to do it yourself..CGW's TRS is, IMO, a higher quality spring, In the past, CZ has had bad batches of springs get out, unfortunate, but, it happens, the bright side is, CGW always has them in stock.
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Remember what 1SOW said - buy two, use one for the replacement, put the other away. As long as you have that spare, the one you installed won't break. It's been working for me.
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Remember what 1SOW said - buy two, use one for the replacement, put the other away. As long as you have that spare, the one you installed won't break. It's been working for me.
Good plan.
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I think that I will indeed order a couple from CGW for my other CZ's. The P-07 I picked up again on Friday and let it go on Saturday. Lost patience.
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I think that I will indeed order a couple from CGW for my other CZ's. The P-07 I picked up again on Friday and let it go on Saturday. Lost patience.
Was the gun still not functioning properly?
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Sounds like you've got something going on with that gun. There's no way the TRS should only be lasting one range trip.
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I don't know. At any rate I didn't want to deal with it anymore. Traded it for a like new XD45 Service. I am also an XD fan. Sent my Phantom to CGW 2 wks ago. The P-07 won't be missed. It was a well used gun to begin with and had obviously had the trigger reworked. I don't know by whom. After this I just had it repaired again and moved it on.
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I don't know. At any rate I didn't want to deal with it anymore. Traded it for a like new XD45 Service. I am also an XD fan. Sent my Phantom to CGW 2 wks ago. The P-07 won't be missed. It was a well used gun to begin with and had obviously had the trigger reworked. I don't know by whom. After this I just had it repaired again and moved it on.
Although I love my P-07, I can't blame you. Let us know how the Phantom works out.
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Sounds more and more like someone did a botched job on the gun and then traded out of it at your expense. P-07's are great weapons. Mine has been outstanding. Hopefully you'll revisit the P-07 some day with an unadulterated version.
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Thanks...I may well do so.
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So that gun just ?broke trigger springs?. Hmmm. First, I would say that CZ is perfectly capable of putting out batches of bad trigger springs. Therefore, I only replace trigger return springs on CZ?s with CGW trigger springs. While other guns can break their trigger return springs, CZ is just flat out known for it. It is a crying shame but a shame nonetheless and CGW is the place to go to remedy this issue.
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So that gun just ?broke trigger springs?. Hmmm. First, I would say that CZ is perfectly capable of putting out batches of bad trigger springs. Therefore, I only replace trigger return springs on CZ?s with CGW trigger springs. While other guns can break their trigger return springs, CZ is just flat out known for it. It is a crying shame but a shame nonetheless and CGW is the place to go to remedy this issue.
Maybe go back and read this entire thread start to finish.The gun nor CZ is at fault here. Someone did a botched action job on the gun.
By the way the CGW spring has been documented to break at times. I have a few of the CZ Custom enhanced springs in the event I ever need them.
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So that gun just ?broke trigger springs?. Hmmm. First, I would say that CZ is perfectly capable of putting out batches of bad trigger springs. Therefore, I only replace trigger return springs on CZ?s with CGW trigger springs. While other guns can break their trigger return springs, CZ is just flat out known for it. It is a crying shame but a shame nonetheless and CGW is the place to go to remedy this issue.
Maybe go back and read this entire thread start to finish.The gun nor CZ is at fault here. Someone did a botched action job on the gun.
By the way the CGW spring has been documented to break at times. I have a few of the CZ Custom enhanced springs in the event I ever need them.
Tried that but it is very unclear. The only symptom I detect is that 2 trigger springs broke. I'd LOVE to know how a 'botched action job' did that - really - not a rhetorical thing. All I can conclude is that it broke TRS's.
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So that gun just ?broke trigger springs?. Hmmm. First, I would say that CZ is perfectly capable of putting out batches of bad trigger springs. Therefore, I only replace trigger return springs on CZ?s with CGW trigger springs. While other guns can break their trigger return springs, CZ is just flat out known for it. It is a crying shame but a shame nonetheless and CGW is the place to go to remedy this issue.
Maybe go back and read this entire thread start to finish.The gun nor CZ is at fault here. Someone did a botched action job on the gun.
By the way the CGW spring has been documented to break at times. I have a few of the CZ Custom enhanced springs in the event I ever need them.
Tried that but it is very unclear. The only symptom I detect is that 2 trigger springs broke. I'd LOVE to know how a 'botched action job' did that - really - not a rhetorical thing. All I can conclude is that it broke TRS's.
To some degree it's not clear but I deduce from what is posted that there is something more wrong possibly not even the trs. Sounds like he didn't even mess with trying the gun out after the second trip to the smith. I have to question what the smith did or was doing as well.
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As I recall, it only took me an hour or so to change mine out. Did it as preventive maintenance. Don't want to try it again. Watched the youtube videos, none of them worked for me. Probably just the way I held my mouth.
I did four of them. Yeah, the first was a pain. The second was easier, the third was pretty smooth. By the time my youngest son brought his P07 over for the spring change and some polishing it was "almost" routine.
Now, hopefully, I won't every do one again, or it will be so far in the future I'll have forgotten the tricks.
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To nevada, who said he watch several videos, and it didn't work for him ?
try JoeMustang99 on youTube.
https://youtu.be/oS7LzkUQlt8
https://youtu.be/9VhXSYKxcaA
Here are several videos for disassemble reassemble the po7 and po9. I use these when I first got my p-09 - PO 7 never previously owning a pistol that I took apart. It was very easy through these videos.
IMHO, everybody should have these saved in their computer or on their phone.
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I have a friend who bought a po7 first pistol, he used these videos and found it very easy.
And this is a guy who is inept when it comes to being mechanically inclined.
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The only symptom I detect is that 2 trigger springs broke. I'd LOVE to know how a 'botched action job' did that - really - not a rhetorical thing.
Nowhere does the OP say a trigger spring broke. That was the educated guess of other people in the thread. He's certainly heard from the gunsmith what the problem was and just hasn't said. We don't know for sure.
I can't imagine a botched trigger job would expose a TRS to breakage after 30 rounds, but again, we don't know if any TRS was broken. However, a botched trigger job might screw with the timing such that pieces get tied up and the trigger can't reset. I would have advised him, as someone else did early on, to get the pistol back from the smith and diagnose/fix the problem himself, with our help. It's quite possible the smith simply took it apart, put it back together, and said "Hmm... works fine." Given the number of times I've heard of people who have taken CZs to smiths who had no idea how to work on them, I would never take one to a smith that didn't specifically specialize in them.
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Definitely nothing worth sending back to CZ or bringing to a gunsmith for. 2 minutes and it's swapped.
Exactly.
I stock spares of parts for that reason.
OP: Get yourself a set of Punches and a small plastic head/brass head hammer.
Most of these things are fixed easily. Beats waiting a week to a few weeks for something that takes less than 5 minutes to do.
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Just a few things to add. Thanks, I do own a set of punches and appropriate hammer. I didn't want to mess with it. The gun was a well worn "Duty" version with an exceptionally light trigger. The gun was traded to the shop where I bought it by a gentleman from the other end of my state. The shop that sold me the gun was standing behind it. Their gunsmith did the repairs. No charge. I appreciated that. Maybe I should have tried the repair myself but I chose not to. Maybe next time. I really do appreciate all the advice. I do feel as though I learned something.
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Just a few things to add. Thanks, I do own a set of punches and appropriate hammer. I didn't want to mess with it. The gun was a well worn "Duty" version with an exceptionally light trigger. The gun was traded to the shop where I bought it by a gentleman from the other end of my state. The shop that sold me the gun was standing behind it. Their gunsmith did the repairs. No charge. I appreciated that. Maybe I should have tried the repair myself but I chose not to. Maybe next time. I really do appreciate all the advice. I do feel as though I learned something.
Still curious as to what they told you. Did they tell you what the repairs were?
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Bent the spring back in place. Sounds a little strange but that was the explanation.
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Bent the spring back in place. Sounds a little strange but that was the explanation.
Now that sounds like the trigger bar spring was improperly adjusted and kept coming free. The gunsmith not being versed in CZ's didn't know the proper technique to tension it and keep it in place and functioning as it should.
I think we have it figured out now.