My P-07 broke

[flattusmaximus78]

Seems like I remember reading, here, that there was a batch of bad springs CZ used several years ago.  They went through a spell of broken trigger return springs, CGW started having better quality springs made and the CZ issue pretty much went away.

I remember a guy on another forum who bought a P09 9MM.  He loved it.  Shot great.  Trigger return spring broke.  He called CZ USA and they had him ship it back for repairs.  He got it back and he was happy, for two weeks till the replacement broke.  He got it fixed again and sold it.

I believe it was a bad batch and I never had a gun from that batch. My 1997 vintage 75BD has north of 20,000 rounds fired and it's got it's original trs in place.

Dude, we get it, you haven't had the problem; however, it exists.

DUDE! I never said the problem didn't exist DUDE! I still have to wonder what you DUDES are doing to break these springs.

Buying CZ's with bad springs and doing the only thing they were designed to do is my guess.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Seems like I remember reading, here, that there was a batch of bad springs CZ used several years ago.  They went through a spell of broken trigger return springs, CGW started having better quality springs made and the CZ issue pretty much went away.

I remember a guy on another forum who bought a P09 9MM.  He loved it.  Shot great.  Trigger return spring broke.  He called CZ USA and they had him ship it back for repairs.  He got it back and he was happy, for two weeks till the replacement broke.  He got it fixed again and sold it.

I believe it was a bad batch and I never had a gun from that batch. My 1997 vintage 75BD has north of 20,000 rounds fired and it's got it's original trs in place.

Dude, we get it, you haven't had the problem; however, it exists.

DUDE! I never said the problem didn't exist DUDE! I still have to wonder what you DUDES are doing to break these springs.

Buying CZ's with bad springs and doing the only thing they were designed to do is my guess.

I'm really not trying to be a jerk about the trs issue.I know many people have had them break and I know it's frustrating when a product pukes out early on and trashes the fun and novelty of having something new. I've had my share of that crap to be sure. I've often wondered if the failures aren't related to dry firing (which is something I rarely do) and the trs failures?
I have had a couple CZ issues that required service but not this issue. Happily CZ service was stellar and above other brands service and they resolved the problems seamlessly.

[cntrydawwwg]

IIRC, I have seen posted (I believe CGW but am not sure) where dry firing mostly DA, can shorten the spring life.
   
   It puts more pressure on the spring, causing the spring to heat up quicker, leading to a broken spring.
   
    Couple that with a possible bad batch of springs, and you get a double whammy.
   
    Also, I believe not oiling the spring periodically can also lead to shorter spring life. YMMV.
   
   So if SI VIS rarely dry fires, and (just guessing here) rarely shoots DA continuously, and keeps his spring lubed he very well can be lucky enough not to have one break.

   But I?ve also read where they break with little to no dry firing and even a couple breaking after less than a mag ran thru. So it can really be a crap shoot.
   
    I know many others have been this lucky, and many others have not[emoji6] So thanks to CGW and CZC we have options to upgrade the one spring that CZ should just purchase from CGW or CZC in the first place. [emoji16]

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I shoot the first shot DA and practice that as well but the only dry firing I do is function testing after cleaning and reassembly. My pistols are always well oiled including the springs. Something else to note is care must be taken when installing these springs so as not to nick or scratch them as that can cause a weak spot and potential breaking point.

[M1A4ME]

I believe I do remember someone mentioning back then that a dry trigger return spring wasn't good for the life of them.

I put a drop of oil on that spring/pin every time I clean or lube the pistol.  It's easy to see/get to and easy to put a drop of Mobil 1 on.

[warbird1]

Well, got the pistol back on this past Monday and took it to the range on Tuesday. Thirty rounds down range and same problem. Fortunately they didn't charge me for the repair. Same shop that I bought it at and I am a regular customer. They now have it back again. I have several CZ's and this is the first to ever give me a problem.

[Jeep_Nut]

Well, got the pistol back on this past Monday and took it to the range on Tuesday. Thirty rounds down range and same problem. Fortunately they didn't charge me for the repair. Same shop that I bought it at and I am a regular customer. They now have it back again. I have several CZ's and this is the first to ever give me a problem.

I would suggest the CGW spring.

[flattusmaximus78]

Seems like I remember reading, here, that there was a batch of bad springs CZ used several years ago.  They went through a spell of broken trigger return springs, CGW started having better quality springs made and the CZ issue pretty much went away.

I remember a guy on another forum who bought a P09 9MM.  He loved it.  Shot great.  Trigger return spring broke.  He called CZ USA and they had him ship it back for repairs.  He got it back and he was happy, for two weeks till the replacement broke.  He got it fixed again and sold it.

I believe it was a bad batch and I never had a gun from that batch. My 1997 vintage 75BD has north of 20,000 rounds fired and it's got it's original trs in place.

Dude, we get it, you haven't had the problem; however, it exists.

DUDE! I never said the problem didn't exist DUDE! I still have to wonder what you DUDES are doing to break these springs.

Buying CZ's with bad springs and doing the only thing they were designed to do is my guess.

I'm really not trying to be a jerk about the trs issue.I know many people have had them break and I know it's frustrating when a product pukes out early on and trashes the fun and novelty of having something new. I've had my share of that crap to be sure. I've often wondered if the failures aren't related to dry firing (which is something I rarely do) and the trs failures?
I have had a couple CZ issues that required service but not this issue. Happily CZ service was stellar and above other brands service and they resolved the problems seamlessly.

I would have to agree with all that my friend.

[badwrench]

Well, got the pistol back on this past Monday and took it to the range on Tuesday. Thirty rounds down range and same problem. Fortunately they didn't charge me for the repair. Same shop that I bought it at and I am a regular customer. They now have it back again. I have several CZ's and this is the first to ever give me a problem.

I would suggest the CGW spring.

Ditto, since they're about $7.00each, I'd buy 2-3, with any DA/SA pistol, the TRS is going to be the weak point, no matter if it's a HK,Beretta, or CZ,   ALL have been known to break TRS's, it's just the nature of the beast. Plan on it happening, and have a few spares on hand, learn to replace them yourself, (this is where CGW's removable trigger pin comes in..if you have a P01, PCR,75 compact, or a full size 75 series pistol, not needed on the P07/09) and save some $$ Really,  it's not that hard to do it yourself..CGW's TRS  is, IMO,  a higher quality spring, In the past, CZ has had bad batches of springs get out, unfortunate, but, it happens, the bright side is, CGW always has them in stock.

[M1A4ME]

Remember what 1SOW said - buy two, use one for the replacement, put the other away.  As long as you have that spare, the one you installed won't break.  It's been working for me.

[wdbutcher]

Remember what 1SOW said - buy two, use one for the replacement, put the other away.  As long as you have that spare, the one you installed won't break.  It's been working for me.

Good plan.

[warbird1]

I think that I will indeed order a couple from CGW for my other CZ's. The P-07 I picked up again on Friday and let it go on Saturday. Lost patience.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I think that I will indeed order a couple from CGW for my other CZ's. The P-07 I picked up again on Friday and let it go on Saturday. Lost patience.

Was the gun still not functioning properly?

[Raining_Brass]

Sounds like you've got something going on with that gun. There's no way the TRS should only be lasting one range trip.

[warbird1]

I don't know. At any rate I didn't want to deal with it anymore. Traded it for a like new XD45 Service. I am also an XD fan. Sent my Phantom to CGW 2 wks ago. The P-07 won't be missed. It was a well used gun to begin with and had obviously had the trigger reworked. I don't know by whom. After this I just had it repaired again and moved it on.