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Title: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: spitfire007 on February 14, 2019, 03:05:16 PM
Recently bought a pristine like new but used P01 Omega. Date on target is 08/08/2018, so it’s quite new.


It may have had MAYBE 100 rounds through it. It was spotless. I myself have put 150 rounds through it.

Biggest issue is with single action trigger. Usually works fine but there are moments when pressing the trigger all the way to the rear (cannot move it further, it’s the end of travel) the hammer will not immediately fall. It will however fall a fraction of a second or a full second after having depressed it fully. This is rare and happens mostly when moving the trigger to the rear very slowly. The break is at the very very end of possible travel anyways.

Trigger break in both double action and single action are very very hard to feel. Very mushy, very creepy, then again I am used to a 1911.
It’s very disconcerting because the gun does not go off when I want it to. But will a fraction of a second after.  it’s like a delay.
No good for CCW/carry.
This can sometimes be duplicated in dry fire...
The rental P01 Omega has a more clearly defined break in both single and double action. Range/gun shop guys checked mine out and did find it more mushy.

Also experiencing failure to feed from an aggressive reload or double feed halfway through either magazine. A round  noses up very aggressively and misses the chamber. This is also totally random, and quite rare. Seemed worse with 115gr ball, but it happened with 3 diff types of ammo.

Been using ONLY Quality factory ammo, either 115/124 ball, or 124 JHP and 124+P JHP.
Mags are standard 14rnd factory rounders and in good shape. Floor plates are good.

CZ USA said they’d take it in to check it, so I’m waiting for my return shipping label.

I would love some insight, please!
Thanks!

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Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: Rmach on February 14, 2019, 04:21:47 PM
It sounds like it needs a trip back to CZ ASAP. 
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: Mick-S on February 14, 2019, 07:47:46 PM
Sounds like the overtravel screw is in too far. Try backing it out an 1/8 of a turn then trying it. You may have to do this a couple of times.
 If it doesn't stay put then you may need to re locktite it. See pick below.
(https://i.imgur.com/7tawp75.jpg)

Can't help with the Failure to feed issues but I would run 200-300 more rounds thru it before I sent it back.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: M1A4ME on February 14, 2019, 08:16:27 PM
Mick-S, did your P01 come from the factory with the adjustable trigger?  Neither of my P01 Omega's have that feature.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: Mick-S on February 14, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
As far as I know it did. I purchased it from CGW already upgraded but there is no trigger in the extra parts bag that came with it and they don't show a replacement trigger in the omega kits.

CGW does list this trigger for sale calling it a new style P-09 trigger. I think CZ may have just started shipping with these. I have only had mine since the first of November but my target date is 2/8/18.
https://cajungunworks.com/product/97005m-p-09-trigger/ (https://cajungunworks.com/product/97005m-p-09-trigger/)
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: BCC on February 14, 2019, 09:04:56 PM
Must be an aftermarket trigger---right ??? Mine from 04-2018 doesn't have an adjustable....
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: Mick-S on February 14, 2019, 09:14:28 PM
See above updated post.
Until now I just assumed they all had the adjustable trigger. I don't know. This was my first omega pistol. Everything else I have is non omega.

Spitfire,
If you don't have the adjustable trigger then i'm sorry but my post won't help.  :(
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on February 15, 2019, 04:42:06 AM
Returning the gun to CZ is the best course of action. They will take care of it.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: spitfire007 on February 15, 2019, 05:51:14 AM
Thanks a lot for the insight!
So far, a call to CZ had a rep tell
me to fill out a warranty claim online. I’m now waiting, haven’t received anything back yet.


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Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on February 15, 2019, 07:40:10 AM
     Hiya, squeaky wheel gets the grease spitfire007, scratching my head as to why the new approach to customer service at cz usa has taken the HMO model to deliver service. I thought I outlined ,altho few years back, experiences.ie. Talk to rep to direct call, talk to smith in order to triage properly the issue and work order plan, take brief gun and customer info,while on phone with customer, explained that they pay for shipping to them and that they can check email in few minutes and instructions to print as needed. Can a multi billion dollar business really be sitting down to unstreamline customer support and think its the right thing to do. End rant.
     Hate to see things digress for ya but make your toll free call, remember names of folks ya speak to and you are in your right to ask to speak to next level mgt ad infinitum. The sun should not have gone down without you being offered a shipping slip ,once you offered your claim. This first effort needs to be your best. As I would never give them a second chance to fix the original issue. Cheers, Be well.

First of all he's extremely lucky that CZ supports their customers as they do as the warranty clearly states that said warranty is to the ORIGINAL purchaser so it's awesome that they are willing to do a warranty claim for him on a second hand gun.
They still will take info over the phone and email labels right away it just depends on how busy the are. I don't think CZ service has degenerated in any way. They are busy and also working on getting an manufacturing facility up and running in this country will only serve to make things better for all involved.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: spitfire007 on February 15, 2019, 09:20:44 AM
I agree I’m very lucky they even said “we’ll take that gun in”.

I wouldn’t have bothered to call if the gun wasn’t an August ‘18 production and so new. Hardly any wear.

If I can’t get it squared away with CZ, I’ll just ship it to CGW to have them work their magic, though I’m hesitant to alter anything for a CCW/daily carry/Home defense pistol.


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Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on February 15, 2019, 09:49:37 AM
Of the many CZ's I own/have owned I needed to ship 2 guns back to CZ-USA and both times they took care of the issues properly and on the first attempt. Wish I could heap the same praise on Walther and Smith&Wesson.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: spitfire007 on February 15, 2019, 11:23:33 AM
CZ sent me the shipping label and instructions.


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Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: M1A4ME on February 15, 2019, 04:44:03 PM
I had a night sight go out in an Omega P01 a few months after I bought it.  I contacted CZ through their website (CZ-USA).  A few hours later I got a reply e-mail with a return authorization page (barcode label/address, etc).  I printed it up, took the slide to fedex, put it in a box, applied the label and handed the box to the guy behind the counter.  I got it back about 10 days later even though fedex "lost" the box/slide for about 3 days up in Maryland somewhere.

That's my only experience with CZ customer service.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: spitfire007 on March 13, 2019, 11:17:47 AM
UPDATE

After 3.5 weeks or so, I just got an automated email from CZ USA.

Under work performed, it says “replacement serial number .....” and it lists a new serial number.

I’m quite surprised, never expected this, and don’t know enough about manu. tolerances, operational testing or what would make them do so. Thoughts?



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Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on March 13, 2019, 12:12:16 PM
They are sending you a new gun. Whatever they found with your original gun must have been an issue they deemed unrepairable. Like I said before CZ has really great customer service. Enjoy the new gun when you get it.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: Frozencpu on March 13, 2019, 01:12:02 PM
Woah, I too have very freshly new P01 omega from Nov 2018 test target and don't have any problems with it. Congrats on new P01 then straight from CZ.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: badwrench on March 14, 2019, 10:47:47 AM
Things like this happen..after all we all need to remember that these are mass-produced pistols, and every so often  a few stinkers will get out..The bright side here, is, that CZ is stepping up to the plate and replacing the pistol, and will probably go through the replacement and make sure there are no problems with it.. I'm betting the OP will be happy with the replacement..
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: spitfire007 on March 14, 2019, 12:33:39 PM
I’m just surprised I bought a used pistol at a gun show (with box, papers, like new etc) and they’re willing to replace it due to the issues I was having.
Makes me wanna buy a P10C...if that’s how they treat customers.


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Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM on March 14, 2019, 04:31:36 PM
I have no reservations about buying a CZ at all. My experience with them has always been positive and the couple issues I had several years ago were handled courteously and in a timely fashion. I wish I could heap such praises on some of the other major manufacturers products I own/have owned.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: spitfire007 on March 21, 2019, 10:48:49 AM
I was so impressed by the customer service for the P-01 I picked up a new FDE P-10C not 20mins ago.

One thing: new p-01 did NOT come with the target sheet....not that I care, really.




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Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: adrian on March 21, 2019, 11:55:08 AM
     Hiya spitfire007 and thanks for sharing your story these past few weeks and we are glad that you got the result you did. Its impressive that they figured out the issue(s) and someone signed off on new gun replacement for non original owner. I know for a fact I will be retelling your story in the not distant future.  So did they replace the omega with an omega ? Hope to see your day at the range report soon. Be well.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: spitfire007 on March 21, 2019, 12:22:23 PM
     Hiya spitfire007 and thanks for sharing your story these past few weeks and we are glad that you got the result you did. Its impressive that they figured out the issue(s) and someone signed off on new gun replacement for non original owner. I know for a fact I will be retelling your story in the not distant future.  So did they replace the omega with an omega ? Hope to see your day at the range report soon. Be well.


They did send me a new Omega. The original gun was an 08/18 production, and essentially new on condition. Trigger on the new one is much better, albeit a bit heavy!

Would like to get the CZ Custom trigger work (a la SDP) on it but worry about carry liability.

I’ll break it in along with the P-10C when I get a chance.

Thanks to you all for insight and info!


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Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: spitfire007 on March 28, 2019, 08:54:56 PM
RANGE REPORT.

Both the P-01 and the P-10C worked flawlessly.
The p10 is a newer serial number and mags drop freely and with little pressure on the mag release as they should
Gun feels good except for the stippling on the back. A little aggressive!
Also, shot it low left A LOT. Gotta figure that out.
Trigger and reset are unreal. A very quick and short reset! Fast shooting!

The new P-01 Omega is way better than what I turned in via warranty.
Clean break in both double and single action.
Reset is long though.
Shot it more accurately than the P-10C. FWIW.

Can’t decide which I prefer! 
For EDC, I think the P-01 is a better choice:
-hammer fired
-long DA first pull is more secure under stress

But bleep...that P-10C’s trigger is amazing!


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Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: spitfire007 on March 28, 2019, 08:56:20 PM
Oh.

Sights are small on both. Not very easy to pick up, I must admit...takes a bit longer to pick up that front sight than my white dots on the old 1911...


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Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: Tanners Owner on March 28, 2019, 10:06:26 PM
On my omega, I put a FO front sight. Helps quite a bit
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: AMM on March 28, 2019, 10:31:35 PM
The OEM sights are the one thing I do not like on the P01.  I have had good luck with both Meprolights and XS sights.

FWIW, I had a similar customer service experience with my purchased-used Kadet 2 a couple of years back. CZ USA repaired an issue even though I was not the original owner.  Excellent customer service.

Cheers
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: Insert on March 29, 2019, 11:56:05 PM
I just bought CGW Dawson Trijicon Night sights for my Omega P-01. I hope they are a little more fine and clearer than the stock sights.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: adrian on March 30, 2019, 01:46:54 AM
     Hiya spitfire and think the short reset pkg will get you happy with the reach. Green or red fiber optic helps, cheaper option neon green nail polish on the serration of the front blade you look at works also. And you can google handgun diagnostic target for a variety of maybe reasons. And had an instructor had me shoot at a 3in target as close as I needed to hit 8/10 before moving out another foot, so learning your sight picture helps a lot. Be well.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: granky on March 30, 2019, 04:11:28 PM
I just bought CGW Dawson Trijicon Night sights for my Omega P-01. I hope they are a little more fine and clearer than the stock sights.

If you can let us know what you think of them. I'm on the fence with those but for a PCR. I imagine they would be similar sight picture.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: sickmak90 on March 31, 2019, 10:27:43 AM
The small sights were one issue I had with my old PCR.
Title: Re: Problems with newish P01 Omega
Post by: Claymore504 on March 31, 2019, 11:57:03 AM
So, sounds like you are getting a new gun? That sounds like the old one had some major issues. Glad CZ is taking care of it for you. I have had to use their customer service now two times for a dead front night sight on a brand new P07 and P01. The P07 had to go back twice since they did not change out the front sight the first time. The P01 slide is with them right now. Happy they take care of things.