Preferred optics for the vz.58?

[sanderle]

I'm looking to add an optic to my vz.58.  I have the Bonesteel handguard.

Here are the three that I am considering:

http://www.primaryarms.com/new-primary-arms-micro-dot-with-removable-base-md-rbgii/p/kt-md-rbgii/

http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-advanced-micro-dot-with-push-buttons-and-up-to-50k-hour-battery-life/p/kt-md-ads/

http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-advanced-series-red-dot-with-integrated-ar-height-qd-mount-lifetime-warranty/p/kt-pacrs/

Any recommendations?  With my setup, will I need a riser?

Also, I have the stock folding butt stock.  Will I need to swap out the butt stock in order to get a better cheek weld for the optic?  If so, recommendations?


Thanks for your insight!

[RSR]

Your stock is fine; no riser for optic or stock.  Cowitnessing optics are at same plane as irons. 

I would go w/ the cheaper one personally; however, I'm unclear if that's nitrogen purged (PA used to make standard dots that were and were not nitrogen purged option for maybe a $15 difference).  If not, that can mean a fogged up optic, which makes the optic and backup irons both impossible to use until you remove the red dot.
EDIT: according to amazon and PA youtube video description when searching by this rd's name, md-rbg ii, the optic is nitrogen purged.  http://www.amazon.com/Primary-Arms-Micro-Sight-Removable/dp/B00NC1G0KI
https://youtu.be/pnQefooo30c
I would only consider a full sized red dot if it's an aimpoint and the only version you can afford (one member did a pro mounted forward with low rings and it cowitnessed) or if you're going w/ a prism optic that has an etched reticle. 

Some have noted issues w/ holosuns, but the PA branded/spec'ed one (advanced made by primary arms) seems to get better reviews than the holosun stamped ones...  Some interesting torture tests on the the PA advanced microdot...

[RSR]

Pulled out the AR today on which I mounted the vortex spitfire 1x to re-zero it for a lighter varmint load, and it was immediately obvious that the mount is actually two pieces.  Unsure how I overlooked before.  Regardless, opened and read the manual this time too -- and the standard setup is lower 1/3rd cowitness on ARs is 40.4mm from center optic to base surface.  The lower mount is ~1 cm/~10mm lower and puts it at 30mm from center to base.
The ocular lens is around 34mm and larger than objective lens, which puts the low base height, excluding optic, at about 13mm or 1/2 inch.  This video from sootch (also clearly didn't watch until now) shows both mounts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q84jsw_O1j8

I'd say low base on this is 2-2.5 times wider/taller than what's found on microdots...   Believe all other comments regard spitfire on are on point, but wanted to clarify height.

Do note that they previewed V2 of the spitfire 1x at shotshow this year with illumination controls on rear face as buttons instead of top turret (more like sparcs controls I suppose) and will be powered by aaa battery instead of cr battery.  Also, this verison, the mount does appear to be fixed due to controls.  Possibly why PSA was clearing out the originals at less than 1/2 msrp.
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-spitfire-ar-1x-prism-scope

[cci24]

I run a primary arms micro dot on my vz2008 and it holds zero fine. Dot is crisp and clear. I wanted to mount a eotech 512 but it was too chunky for the upper.

I read pages a few back about the eotech being grainy but that's done on purpose. When you shoot out doors on a very sunny day/ desert conditions and turn up the brightness the grains get filled in and provide a crystal clear reticle.  I run my brightness real low in cloudy or indoor conditions and the grains don't show. Gotta play with the 21 brightness settings. There's literally a setting for any time of lighting

[Horse]

[Bigdude]

Aimpoint Micro H-1. IMO the best red dot ever.

[sevenpointsixtwo]

For a red dot I would always first look at ultradot. All the bullseye guys swear by them and they last and last and hold zero, even with the largest caliber handguns. I believe they're still made in Japan and are a great alternative to aimpoint. I have a ultradot matchdot  on my Hi Standard and love it.

They sell a microdot and also carry the Ulradot 6, an assault rifle version now, that looks pretty good--with a four dot selector (including 2 MOA) and bullet drop compensation. Check it: http://www.ultradotusa.com/ultradotdist2010_009.htm

I wanted something with some magnification, though. PA has a 7.62x39 1-6x optic that looks fantastic. http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-1-6x24mm-sfp-scope-w-acss-300blk-7-62x39-reticle-pa1-6x24sfp-acss-300bo

It's 10 inches though. Does anyone sell just a bullet deflector that you can mount up to protect your scope (either to a rail or elsewhere)?