You can have one red dot

[ssqman]

You can buy one red dot. Price doesn't matter. Buy once, cry once. It will go on a Gen 5 G19 MOS and be used mostly for a range toy. Will you choose Leupold Deltapoint Pro?  Trijicon Type 2 RMR?  Or something else.

[Tok36]

For a Glock, get the cheapest one that you can find. Do they make ones that come out of the gumball toy machines in parasitic eggs at the market? If so get that one. 

As you can tell by my reply, i have no experience with RMR type optics and am jut tagging in to read other replys on the topic..

[Vinny]

I'm not an expert, but I've shot many thousands of rounds with quite a few of the most popular optics.
For your intended use and all things considered including cost....JMHO......DeltaPoint Pro. Yeah, I know you said not to consider cost, but sorry I'm not built that way.
DPP is extremely rugged, large metal-shrouded window, top-load battery, 'clicks' for each 1 moa of positive adjustment, LIFETIME warranty. A proven optic. There's a reason it's so popular among top competitors.

Now, IF it was for a DUTY gun.....some would argue justifiably for RMR as it's more compact, sits lower on the slide and perhaps it's even more durable. But, JMO I don't like the smallish window. Every RMR fan is awaiting the large window SRO, but it's unproven and Trijicon already disclaims it's NOT for Duty use. I watched Aaron Cowan's test and had to chuckle when it shattered on the first drop. Not that I go around dropping my guns, but he's made such a big deal of that in other tests, I had to smile when he back-pedaled on this one.

JMHO  but I'll enjoy following to see other opinions.  -Vinny

[Arndog123]

I vote Holosun 507c.  Several of my Glocks have them and have been very happy with them.  I have RMR's too and actually prefer the Holosun's more.  They're packed with more features, longer battery life and not as expensive.  The dots are more crisp/clear to my aging eyes as well.  A titanium housed version is coming out and I'll probably get that for my P10F and CZ TSO. 

[Vinny]

Arndog123,
If you're already set up for RMR mount holes, the Holosun 507c seems a great lower-cost alternative fitting same mount pattern.

However..........if you're starting from scratch and considering OP's question and intended use one might want to consider what the top shooters at 2018 Nationals used:


For what it's worth, the US Army recently chose the DPPro for the optic variation of their M17.
And one more tidbit of info is the new SIG ROMEO 1 Pro to be intro'd next month will have the same hole pattern as DPPro making them interchangeable. Hmmm

[Earl Keese]

I'm not an expert, but I've shot many thousands of rounds with quite a few of the most popular optics.
For your intended use and all things considered including cost....JMHO......DeltaPoint Pro. Yeah, I know you said not to consider cost, but sorry I'm not built that way.
DPP is extremely rugged, large metal-shrouded window, top-load battery, 'clicks' for each 1 moa of positive adjustment, LIFETIME warranty. A proven optic. There's a reason it's so popular among top competitors.

Now, IF it was for a DUTY gun.....some would argue justifiably for RMR as it's more compact, sits lower on the slide and perhaps it's even more durable. But, JMO I don't like the smallish window. Every RMR fan is awaiting the large window SRO, but it's unproven and Trijicon already disclaims it's NOT for Duty use. I watched Aaron Cowan's test and had to chuckle when it shattered on the first drop. Not that I go around dropping my guns, but he's made such a big deal of that in other tests, I had to smile when he back-pedaled on this one.

JMHO  but I'll enjoy following to see other opinions.  -Vinny

Didn't the DPP screen shatter on the drop test as well?

[DOC 1500]

Consider the vortex Viper it also has a lifetime warranty I have no problem with it.

[m1a_scoutguy]

I'm not an expert, but I've shot many thousands of rounds with quite a few of the most popular optics.
For your intended use and all things considered including cost....JMHO......DeltaPoint Pro. Yeah, I know you said not to consider cost, but sorry I'm not built that way.
DPP is extremely rugged, large metal-shrouded window, top-load battery, 'clicks' for each 1 moa of positive adjustment, LIFETIME warranty. A proven optic. There's a reason it's so popular among top competitors.

Now, IF it was for a DUTY gun.....some would argue justifiably for RMR as it's more compact, sits lower on the slide and perhaps it's even more durable. But, JMO I don't like the smallish window. Every RMR fan is awaiting the large window SRO, but it's unproven and Trijicon already disclaims it's NOT for Duty use. I watched Aaron Cowan's test and had to chuckle when it shattered on the first drop. Not that I go around dropping my guns, but he's made such a big deal of that in other tests, I had to smile when he back-pedaled on this one.

JMHO  but I'll enjoy following to see other opinions.  -Vinny

Didn't the DPP screen shatter on the drop test as well?

Yes the DPP did shatter but can't remember if it was the 1st drop or after multiple drops, seems after multiple! I will watch the vid again! I have a couple of RMRs with one mounted and I bought a Holosun 507 also but saving that for my Shadow 2 when I get the $$$ ! For a Chinese optic and considering the price the Holosun held up pretty darn good,I think pretty much 2nd best to the RMR that has held up fine with only scraps and scratches! I might get an SRO also once the newness wears off and maybe get one at a better price. The SRO is NOT for Duty and Aaron drove that point home in his vid about it,, kinda funny I thought. Even considering the design of the SRO I was still surprised it was pretty much destroyed on the 1st drop. But even as cool and as informative as Aarons vids are,I make every effort NOT to drop my pistols, LOL! I have around 800 rds through my 07 with the RMR mounted and am getting very used to it! I was going to try the Holosun but don't want to spoil/ruin myself but installing it,I'm working with the RMR and doing just fine. 

[Vinny]

I'm not an expert, but I've shot many thousands of rounds with quite a few of the most popular optics.
For your intended use and all things considered including cost....JMHO......DeltaPoint Pro. Yeah, I know you said not to consider cost, but sorry I'm not built that way.
DPP is extremely rugged, large metal-shrouded window, top-load battery, 'clicks' for each 1 moa of positive adjustment, LIFETIME warranty. A proven optic. There's a reason it's so popular among top competitors.

Now, IF it was for a DUTY gun.....some would argue justifiably for RMR as it's more compact, sits lower on the slide and perhaps it's even more durable. But, JMO I don't like the smallish window. Every RMR fan is awaiting the large window SRO, but it's unproven and Trijicon already disclaims it's NOT for Duty use. I watched Aaron Cowan's test and had to chuckle when it shattered on the first drop. Not that I go around dropping my guns, but he's made such a big deal of that in other tests, I had to smile when he back-pedaled on this one.

JMHO  but I'll enjoy following to see other opinions.  -Vinny

Didn't the DPP screen shatter on the drop test as well?

In Aaron's DPP test from late 2018, glass shattered on Aaron's 2nd drop attempt on concrete, but dot still functioned and he was able to place shots on target with it. Tested another and he could only manage to produce a crack in the lens after repeated drop attempts. Apparently, both will still be replaced under Leupold's exceptional warranty. Bottom line, in Aaron's words, there's only two optics he could recommend for DUTY use.....RMR type 2, and DPPro. DPPro costs almost 1/2. 

My point was simply the SRO may in time prove to be a good competition optic, but according to Trijicon it is NOT recommended for Duty use. 

[m1a_scoutguy]

I'm not an expert, but I've shot many thousands of rounds with quite a few of the most popular optics.
For your intended use and all things considered including cost....JMHO......DeltaPoint Pro. Yeah, I know you said not to consider cost, but sorry I'm not built that way.
DPP is extremely rugged, large metal-shrouded window, top-load battery, 'clicks' for each 1 moa of positive adjustment, LIFETIME warranty. A proven optic. There's a reason it's so popular among top competitors.

Now, IF it was for a DUTY gun.....some would argue justifiably for RMR as it's more compact, sits lower on the slide and perhaps it's even more durable. But, JMO I don't like the smallish window. Every RMR fan is awaiting the large window SRO, but it's unproven and Trijicon already disclaims it's NOT for Duty use. I watched Aaron Cowan's test and had to chuckle when it shattered on the first drop. Not that I go around dropping my guns, but he's made such a big deal of that in other tests, I had to smile when he back-pedaled on this one.

JMHO  but I'll enjoy following to see other opinions.  -Vinny

Didn't the DPP screen shatter on the drop test as well?

In Aaron's DPP test from late 2018, glass shattered on Aaron's 2nd drop attempt on concrete, but dot still functioned and he was able to place shots on target with it. Tested another and he could only manage to produce a crack in the lens after repeated drop attempts. Apparently, both will still be replaced under Leupold's exceptional warranty. Bottom line, in Aaron's words, there are only two optics he could recommend for DUTY use.....RMR type 2, and DPPro. DPPro costs almost 1/2. 

My point was simply the SRO may in time prove to be a good competition optic, but according to Trijicon, it is NOT recommended for Duty use.

Right, I thought the SRO was made/geared for the Competitive shooting crowd. Yes, I do remember that the DPP still was working and useable! Bottom line is most of "us" normal folks will never drop our guns and if we do the chance that it lands upside down on the optic is even less likely,LOL

[Sango]

From my experience the DPPro is really tough to beat. But I have heard some GREAT things in regards to the 507c, and will be personally going that route on my next optic.

[ssqman]

Thanks for all the input. I do like that the DPP has a larger window. And I am a Leupold scope snob already. I seem to be really leaning towards that. Thanks again, I really don't have any experience with these.

[Kelsw]

I already owned a Glock 34 4 so I wanted to try out a red dot , picked up a G 17 4 MOS slide put on a 6 moa Vortex Venom . 300 rounds so far with no issues , Has a nice window without any co witnessing .  Works fine . With a red dot you find out how much your hands move around . With Vortex you get a super warranty . Since I don't run competition or conceal carry with it I went the less expensive route .

[Vinny]

I already owned a Glock 34 4 so I wanted to try out a red dot , picked up a G 17 4 MOS slide put on a 6 moa Vortex Venom . 300 rounds so far with no issues , Has a nice window without any co witnessing .  Works fine . With a red dot you find out how much your hands move around . With Vortex you get a super warranty . Since I don't run competition or conceal carry with it I went the less expensive route .

IMHO, Good choice for your purposes.
Should you decide you would like Back-up Iron sights, the Venom has two vertical 'goal post' lines on the rear of optic body that can serve as BUIS with the correct taller front iron. 
Lousy image of my P-07 SR with Venom, but you can see the green suppressor-ready front iron just above the optic body. Serves in a pinch.

[RoverSig]

Take a look at the new SRO from Trijicon -- fits on RMR mounts -- may be easier to view than the RMR, with the RMR's reliability.