Shadow Target ??

[goosedowner]

Two questions,

1)Is the Shadow Target USPSA production Legal?  I need to know for sure before I purchase one.

2) Can the rear sight blades be changed out for different with ones?


Thanks
Lee

[fxdrider]

Well, according to Walkure's post in this thread:

http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?topic=30487.0

Also I'm not good with my memory but it is also said since the "target" is sold through CZ it is sanctioned for production class where as the Shadow custom isn't.  I could be totally off base here so someone correct me if I'm wrong (like if this applies to USPSA or IPSC).

Both are still Shadows and should be acceptable for Production in either discipline.

If anything, the Shadow Target would be the illegal one, since it is a separate catalogued item. The "Shadow Custom" is simply a SP-01 Shadow with a standard custom work package applied.

I believe that since all that is different about the Shadow Target is the grips and the sights, and since those are both legal modifications under Production rules, it should be legal.

Of course...I could be wrong.

[1SOW]

The Shadow Custom is legal for Production class in USPSA.

As long as the 'Custom' work only affects springs, sear, hammer,sights etc, it complies with the USPSA rule book.

 I don't know about the Shadow Target model, but the changes to make it a "Shadow Target" are approved for production class guns.  It's just an SPO1 Shadow with some adds.

CZ - CESKA ZBROJOVKA CZ100 (24 oz.), CZ100B (24 oz.), CZ2075 Rami 9mm & 40 S&W (25.5 oz.), CZ2075 Rami P 9mm & 40 S&W (23.5 oz.), CZ75 (34.3 oz.), CZ75 Compact 9mm (33 oz.), CZ75 P01 (27.2 oz.), CZ75 SemiCompact (33 oz.), CZ75 SP-01 (41.2 oz.), CZ75 SP-01 Shadow 9mm 4.72" (42 oz.), CZ75 SP-01 Tactical (41 oz.), CZ75B 9mm & 40 S&W (34.3 oz.), CZ75B Stainless (35.3 oz.), CZ75BD (34.3 oz.), CZ75D Compact (28.3 oz.), CZ83 (28.3 oz.), CZ85 (35.2 oz.), CZ85 Combat (35.2 oz.), CZ85B (35.2 oz.), CZ97B (40.8 oz.)

The only sure way to know is to ask USPSA.  

[dachness]

Has any one delved any deeper into this topic? Wouldn't the burden be on CZ to sumbit the gun and prove that 500+ are available to the public?

Daniel

[yogibearal]

The main difference between the Shadow Custom vs Shadow Target is that the Shadow Target has adjustable rear site however this means a slight modification of the slide - is that legal for production?  Also CZ requested to leave the regular springs in the Target model making it have a little stiffer trigger (although still worked on) so all you'd need to do is swap the springs out for lighter weight ones to get the same feel of the Shadow Custom.

So the only thing is whether or not the slight cut in the slide to mount the sight OK for production class USPSA.  Apparently the CZ-USA description does say the following,

"The CZ 75 Shadow Target is a competition ready USPSA Production Division pistol" - So I guess that answers the question?  

Now the question is whether or not that qualifies for the IPSC production class LOL

[dachness]

LOL, I must have misread that... I looked at the page multiple times. If this is true that the differences are grips, sights and springs... Maybe the Shadow target might be a little cheaper than the Custom.

Daniel

The main difference between the Shadow Custom vs Shadow Target is that the Shadow Target has adjustable rear site however this means a slight modification of the slide - is that legal for production?  Also CZ requested to leave the regular springs in the Target model making it have a little stiffer trigger (although still worked on) so all you'd need to do is swap the springs out for lighter weight ones to get the same feel of the Shadow Custom.

So the only thing is whether or not the slight cut in the slide to mount the sight OK for production class USPSA.  Apparently the CZ-USA description does say the following,

"The CZ 75 Shadow Target is a competition ready USPSA Production Division pistol" - So I guess that answers the question?  

Now the question is whether or not that qualifies for the IPSC production class LOL

[wanderer]

Now the question is whether or not that qualifies for the IPSC production class LOL

no the shadow target is not ipsc production legal because of the slide mod. but it is uspsa.

[1SOW]

Maybe the Shadow target might be a little cheaper than the Custom.

No.

It IS a Shadow with "upgrades".

It has the same trigger assembly.  Custom site work (springs, hammer, etc) is the only difference in the trigger.

[dachness]

Maybe the Shadow target might be a little cheaper than the Custom.

No.

It IS a Shadow with "upgrades".

It has the same trigger assembly.  Custom site work (springs, hammer, etc) is the only difference in the trigger.

Would you please clarify the custom site work? Are you saying that the Shadow custom has more polishing etc than the Target?

I just checked with Rob and CZ custom, the Shadow Target is $1199. Asked about exchanging the grips out for Aluminum and they said not a problem just pay the $35 difference. Rob also said they could install the other springs as well.

Daniel

[dachness]

Update: I sent an email to office@uspsa.org and got the following response. I sent a follow up question on whether CZ has completed the compliance form and if it was sent to NROI. *Edit: Got the final response, CZ has the forms have not yet submitted. So according to USPSA Shadow Target is not yet USPSA Production class legal*

***my email***
Hello

Is the CZ Shadow Target legal for production class? Here is the manufactures

website: http://cz-usa.com/products/view/CZ_75_SP01_Shadow/

From my understanding it should qualify as it is essentially a CZ SP01
shadow with production allowed modifications from the factory. The website
claims it is USPSA production class ready.

Does it qualify because it is a CZ Shadow, or is it a separate gun and need
to have proof from CZ that the quantity produced and available to the public

is met? If the second case is true, has CZ complied?

Thank You,

Daniel
***end of my email***

***Response***
Hi Dan,

With the different variants of the Shadow, each one becomes a different
model and each have to have the compliance form signed and sent to NROI.

Regards,
John
***end***

**Final Response**
Not at this time, CZ has the forms.

John
**End**

[yogibearal]

Thanksa for clearing it up for now. 


Does anyone know if there is any other adjustable sight for the Shadow that does not require alterations to the slide making it both legal for USPSA and IPSC production (in the future for USPSA since CZ is advertising it as such)

-Thanks,

-Al

[wanderer]

Does anyone know if there is any other adjustable sight for the Shadow that does not require alterations to the slide making it both legal for USPSA and IPSC production (in the future for USPSA since CZ is advertising it as such)

al
check with rob or angus at cz custom, one of the LPA sights may fit without mod.

[mustang400]

While my Shadow Custom was at CZ-Custom have some other work done i had Rob put a Champion adj. rear and FO front on the gun. All Shadows have to have the rear slide cut to fit the adj. sight--per Rob.

Is my Shadow Custom now a Shadow Target?

[dachness]

While my Shadow Custom was at CZ-Custom have some other work done i had Rob put a Champion adj. rear and FO front on the gun. All Shadows have to have the rear slide cut to fit the adj. sight--per Rob.

Is my Shadow Custom now a Shadow Target?

It is still a shadow custom. I have found that the "Shadow Target" is essentially a Shadow custom. I have sent a follow up email to John an USPSA to ask for clarification on it being a new gun since the slide is marked "shadow" and not shadow target.

You had an FO front installed? They should have that straight from the factory.