Dilemma: How to get a true aperature sight picture on Vz-58

[southpaw.parallaxscurioa...]

So, perhaps the only drawback to the Vz-58 is the issue sights.  I, like many shooters, much prefer peep/ghostring/aperture style sights (like an an AR-15).

Trouble is it seems there is no way to get a TRUE aperature style sight setup on the Vz-58!
Now, I know some will say you can get a peep hole to replace the rear sight leaf, but that does nothing.  A true aperture sight will sit very near your eye.  About the only way to reasonably mount an aperature near your eye so far for the Vz-58 that I have seen is:



One could presumably mount a BUIS on this.
Only (major) problem with this is you have to get an AR type stock and the BUIS would be waay to high to work with the standard front sight post.  There are some very low mount peep sights that would work, but the problem then would be you couldn't get your cheek low enough to aim!

Anyone given some thought to this type of setup.  Unfortunately techsights is not planning on making a setup for the vz-58 like they have for the ak-47 that solves this problem.

What I could really use is this same stock adapter, but instead taking the standard vz-58 wood/folding stock instead of being forced to select an ar-15 type tube.  That way your cheek would sit low enough that you could use a low mount weaver peep sight, such as:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=48/Product/WEAVER-BACKUP-BASE

and the issue front sight, and have a TRUE peep sight setup for the vz-58.
Such a mount would be useful to red dot shooters too I would imagine.

[Davemon]

I like this idea.  It would also add to LOP, which would be a nice bonus for those of us with ape arms!

[Stevo]

Use the NEA railed stock adapter and the NEA railed barrel clamp together. Mount any AR-type BUIS and you've got what you're looking for.

[southpaw.parallaxscurioa...]

Use the NEA railed stock adapter and the NEA railed barrel clamp together. Mount any AR-type BUIS and you've got what you're looking for.

Only problems I have with this:
1 - between the ar stock, front clamp and full set of BUIS... thats a lot of money!
2 - I dont particularly care for the AR style stocks, and having two front sight posts would look really awkward.
3 - Im not convinced a railed barrel clamp will hold zero (and they will mar your finish underneath

Plus, as Davemon mentioned, youd get another half inch of LOP, which would be nice and not too much

[Joat]

Hi all new to the forum, just got my czechpoint vz58 on tuesday love it.  Ive checked em out in stores before and even though I was determined to buy one it is kinda small in my hands.  Im 6'3" and could use a hair more length of pull..  So I have always been researching the different options out there..   this post made me join to make a comment.. I kind of like the idea of the stock adapter but perhaps instead of an AR adapter, one that is as mentioned above just a spacer for the original stock (little more length of pull) but then instead of a rail some kind of built in peep sight that way it can be low enough to use with the orig front sight and add a little LOP. Also with the drop of the orig stock would help line things up.  My other thought was after looking at the CSA scope mounts that mount to the side rail how about a rear peep that sticks down below that?  Would be similar to just looking underneath the scope rail to the iron sights.. Just some idea's..   Love this gun was out today shooting at what I paced off at about 25 yards prone, did one group where 7 of 10 shots were one big hole the other 3 was a flyer and a double.  Laughing at myself trying to get a good prone with a few pistols strapped to me. For now I'm just going to get a pistol grip that doesnt feel like a tiny toy in my hand and just get used to shooting it a lot.

[Stevo]

Use the NEA railed stock adapter and the NEA railed barrel clamp together. Mount any AR-type BUIS and you've got what you're looking for.

Only problems I have with this:
1 - between the ar stock, front clamp and full set of BUIS... thats a lot of money!
2 - I dont particularly care for the AR style stocks, and having two front sight posts would look really awkward.
3 - Im not convinced a railed barrel clamp will hold zero (and they will mar your finish underneath

Plus, as Davemon mentioned, youd get another half inch of LOP, which would be nice and not too much

1 - yes, and it gets you what you're looking for.

2 - you can use a fixed A1 or A2 style stock if you don't like the collapsible ones. Cut the front sight post off.

3 - mine have never moved. Minor scuffs in the paint, no big deal to me.

[armoredman]

Welcome, Joat, no going back now, you're hooked.

[RSR]

Here's a ghost ring.  Relevant to this thread so adding, despite old.  http://www.mojosights.com/sample-page/ak-sks/

[j-vtol]

RSR, thanks for all the info lately.

[RSR]

You bet.  I've been spending an inordinate amount of time obsessing about my VZ lately, so might as well have an outlet, haha.

Forced March says the Mojo is a no go:

I use the open rear on all my VZ's cause I get elevation, something that is real important at longer ranges.  A rear peep is generally for closer ranges and I think I can understand it's appeal.
 
I have owned the MOJO rear peep and sadly found it to be unremarkable poop.  It's got good construction/finish/looks, however they got something dramatically wrong, it's not built for a VZ.  It sits tilted and maybe more than 3/16" of an inch too high, I have learned from experience that neither lowering the rear nor raising the front sight can ever correct this mistake.  Possible removing 1/8" or more of metal from the receiver would correct this? 

[mykdebauch]

Use the NEA railed stock adapter and the NEA railed barrel clamp together. Mount any AR-type BUIS and you've got what you're looking for.

Where can i buy the railed stock adapter? cant find it on NEA website or anywhere.

[vblue42]

Use the NEA railed stock adapter and the NEA railed barrel clamp together. Mount any AR-type BUIS and you've got what you're looking for.

Where can i buy the railed stock adapter? cant find it on NEA website or anywhere.

NEA no longer makes any accessories for the VZ. And I haven't seen a railed adapter available in over a year.

[RSR]

My understanding is that NEA is still making VZ 58  parts, but they only do limited runs.  I think they've been focusing production on AR platform products due to the US/Obama gun scare demand spike (NEA being Canada-based), but should likely turn production back to the VZ 58 soon.  Not sure who their customers are but from website looks to be a combo of north american domestic and then military/le worldwide.

There's demand and a complete market void for VZ 58 productions, and AR demand in the states has dropped off considerably from where it was last year.  Ammo still sucks, but firearms are largely available (excepting some of the always hard to find/on backorder Keltec models). 

The NEA railed stock adapter looks like a cool piece of kit, however I don't know if I care for the stock height.  Makes sense if running their cantilever mount, but otherwise...

From here: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=48597.15

Full pic:

From here: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=30963.0

And I also wish that Rauche Tactical was still around too.  They had some nice products from what I see on the boards...  Combining their adjustable stock feature with NEA's railed would be awesome on this platform, combined with an optional adapter to keep factory VZ 58 stocks, instead of the AR series...

From here: http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=19466

Were I to run the NEA railed stock adapter, I'd probably end up going with this Sig 550/556 ace folder stock (I'm partial to folders):