Safety of Guns without FPB?

[rmiddlemas]

I'm comfortable with "cocked & locked" with Series 70 1911's...2 safeties.  But the CZ 75's without the FPB only has the sear safety.  In single action, cocked & locked, how safe it this?  Plus CZ aftermarket "competition" hammers have very short hammer hooks.  Maybe converting to SAO is not a good idea, leave as DA/SA and start each string in DA?  Its been many years since I shot USPSA, but am building a SP-01 now and am thinking about how to configure it.  Thanks!

[M1A4ME]

You can convert it to SAO and leave the firing pin block safety installed/operating (if it's a B model).  My Compact has a 3 lb. trigger pull with the firing pin block safety still in and working.  It is a range only gun at this time.

My youngest son removed the FPB in his CZ75SA and I think the trigger pull (along with some polishing and some CGW parts) is down around 2&1/2 lbs.  It is a range only gun, too.

[Wideload]

Since this was posted in Competition section, what is your intended use for the gun?

SP01 in 9mm for USPSA is a great choice for Production (starting with hammer down/double action) but, not so great in Ltd because of minor scoring.

It will make a good Ltd Steel challenge gun with fpb block removed and SAO trigger.   

Not sure about IDPA.  I think you can do a SAO conversion but may require you to keep fpb.

None of these games require you to reholster the gun on the clock.

[rmiddlemas]

Not sure what I'll shoot...probably steel.  Too old & fat to run around with the younger shooters.  Originally I set it up using the B short reset disconnector, but the amount of return travel required for the FPB lifter/lever to reset (& required trigger return travel) was more than I liked...maybe I could have removed a bit of length on the foot of the lever to allow earlier clearance, but I opted to go with the SAO trigger and pre-B sear instead.  Great trigger, particularly if you're used to 1911's.  Carrying cocked & locked though concerns me with only 1 safety...but I guess CZ is comfortable since they currently offer factory pistols with the single safety in guns intended for range & competition, which is what this SP-01 is to be used for.   As for leaving the FPB installed in a SAO gun, well, again, the reset travel is my issue...picky, I guess!

[newageroman]

You ain't dead yet... try the USPSA, I suck and its still a lot of fun. There are plenty of fat guys which I thought I could hustle and beat but they just wipe the floor with me. I'm more toward the end of the pack and usually get beat by old ladies and 13yr old girls, but I still feel miles ahead of the normal rangenoobs. Any speed/movement competitions will help you out in a SD situation. Shooting weak hand also is an eye opener.

But yes, steel is a great way to start. lots of place will let you run an extra gun for only $5 more. so take a 22 pistol or 10-22 or PCC and have fun.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

The CZ is EVERY bit as safe as the 1911 cocked and locked. both guns have the same potential for unintended discharge if dropped being absent the fpb since that is what the fpb is intended to guard against.

[rmiddlemas]

If your point is that the FPB is intended to protect against dropped guns, I agree, but for guns (1911 & CZ 75) without a FPB, the two guns' safety mechanisms are different and there is no redundancy in the CZ.  To say that both guns, if dropped, have the same potential for discharge...I disagree.  So, I'm probably answering my own original question.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

If your point is that the FPB is intended to protect against dropped guns, I agree, but for guns (1911 & CZ 75) without a FPB, the two guns' safety mechanisms are different and there is no redundancy in the CZ.  To say that both guns, if dropped, have the same potential for discharge...I disagree.  So, I'm probably answering my own original question.

How can you say they don't have the same potential for discharge without a fpb? The pin is free in both guns and if dropped on the muzzle either one could potentially discharge. Same could happen with the hammer at rest against the pin with either gun. The safety mechanisms are quite different one being an SA only gun and one being SA/DA but once the safety is set trigger movement and sear movement is blocked. The only other safety on the 1911 is the grip safety which still won't stop a dropped gun discharge.
The CZ 75 with or without fpb is just as safe as any 1911 for cocked and locked carry/use. Many people on this board are using them just that way.