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Offline Earl Keese

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Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« on: February 26, 2019, 10:50:27 PM »
Saw this on FB tonight. Scary. . .

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Offline copemech

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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2019, 11:49:32 PM »
im calling BS! O0

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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2019, 01:37:48 AM »
How did the powder not go off?
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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2019, 01:42:38 AM »
If the primer was facing the right direction I'd have a hard time believing the powder didn't go off, especially with the primer having enough force to stick in ceiling tile.
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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2019, 02:17:41 AM »
So.......bang, bang, Boom! ;)
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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2019, 03:34:18 AM »
Bada-boom, bada-bing!
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Offline SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM

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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2019, 04:48:51 AM »
Yeah me not buying this either. Primers need an impact. Static electricity can cause detonation but I'd think the powder should have gone as well.
Unless someone has a real good explanation. I've knocked quite a few rounds apart with my puller and never had an issue.

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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2019, 05:08:10 AM »
Yeah, I doubt it happened too. I've used these pullers quite a bit too and never ever noticed movement in the primer at all. I think the friction of the primer cup in the case is way more than any momentum of the small mass of the cup to let it drive forward with enough force to set it off.

Get the guy to set up a video camera and try and do it again  ;D

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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2019, 07:35:43 AM »
The primer has three parts.
cup
priming mixture
anvil

The priming mixture ignites when the firing pin smack the metal of the cup hard enough to drive it into the center of the anvil with the priming mixture between the two metal pieces/components.

So, with no dent on the primer's outside surface how would the metal of the cup contact the metal of the anvil?

The sudden stop of the kinetic bullet puller is what moves the bullet downward out of the case mouth.  If there was any movement in the primer components it should be the anvil moving downward - away from the cup and priming mixture that is stuck to the inside of the cup metal.

I too have pulled a lot of bullets with my kinetic bullet puller.  No bangs yet.  Bad stuff does, sometimes, happen.

Bullet pointed downwards in the puller means the powder might have been forward from the flash hole.  Just like it was both times I shot copper heads with my Speed Six and snake shot.  Went bang anyway.  And, the time my Chief shot that big fat toad with my M29 (that's another story) the big revolver was pointed downwards.

Static electricity?  I've heard of a couple cases years ago of static electricity setting off a charge of black powder in a muzzle loader.  Never heard of static electricity setting off primers or smokeless powder.  If shaking a cartridge creates static electricity that could set off the powder/primer I've taken a lot of chance over the years shaking rounds to hear the powder move.  Carrying while riding ATVs.  Carrying shotgun shells while hunting.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2019, 08:27:24 AM »
Once every 10 years a story like this shows up and get blasted all over. No way to get back to the OP and ask more questions. As with any reloading accident, you really need to look at the guy's reloading process. I'm inclined to believe it's true based on a quick survey of reloading videos on YouTube. "Hey fellas, watch this..." Even if everything was done perfectly, you got to admit this amounts to 1 primer in 20 billion. So the chances of this coming to a home near you are nill.

But still, this is why we wear safety glasses.... and depends.  ;D
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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2019, 09:26:30 AM »
Static electricity?  I've heard of a couple cases years ago of static electricity setting off a charge of black powder in a muzzle loader.  Never heard of static electricity setting off primers or smokeless powder.  If shaking a cartridge creates static electricity that could set off the powder/primer I've taken a lot of chance over the years shaking rounds to hear the powder move.  Carrying while riding ATVs.  Carrying shotgun shells while hunting.
Has nothing to do with shaking cartridges. Some VERY old loading manuals like the one my dad made me read before he would teach me hand loading advised care be taken when handling loose components,primers and powders to avoid any static electricity like the kind you can encounter in your home when the humidity is low. They believed it could ignite these components.
Whether it has ever happened I don't know. As instructed I use such care.
 

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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2019, 10:57:17 AM »
The granules rubbing against each other and the inside of the case should create static electricity.  There are some liquids that create static electricity when you pour them from one container to another.  You can create static electricity by blowing air on some surfaces.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2019, 11:12:31 AM »
 There's varying degrees of electrical charges. What level would it take to ignite loose powder or primers? I'm not inclined to  experiment to find out. Many things can be statically charged and not ignite and it would likely take a pretty good spark to get things going.  Maybe it can't happen in reality and maybe what I read in that old book was an overabundance of caution written by old timers who came from the cap and ball era and overlapped old tech with what would have been the modern era at the time of the writing.
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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2019, 12:34:45 PM »
The incident I remember reading about years ago, with black powder deer rifles/muzzle loaders, was with people wearing those nylon snowmobile suits in the winter months.  Dry air and the nylon contributed to the static and I have no idea what voltage was required to ignite black powder.

A place I used to work considered as low as 6,000 volts of static electricity being enough to light off they solvents they worked with.  When the dispensed solvent from a pipe/valve to a bucket they had the bucket filling stations outside in a gravel area and a grounding cable/clip was supposed to be used to connect the bucket sitting on the gravel/ground to ground the bucket to the beams the piping was bolted up to.

Static is some weird stuff.  That place had been in operation since the 1930's using solvents and they didn't have a deep understanding of why static worked the way it did on their products.  They knew what to do to keep it from causing a fire but still had fires at about the rate of once per year while I was there.  We brought in tech/engineer reps from more than company that made static electricity measuring/suppression systems and I never talked to one who could answer my questions about why we had some of the issues we had.

Their equipment worked as long as we kept it in good operating order, but they couldn't explain what caused static to form where/how it did in our product.  Spent some frustrating days in meetings/presentations with customers, vendors, engineers and scientists.  Came back to a previous conclusion regarding electricity I'd come to many years before - why does electricity do the things it does?  Because it can.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Primer ignition while using bullet puller
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2019, 02:02:35 PM »
 This is for all the so called experts that call this story BS. I had a 06 FFL to manufacture ammo many years and we switched from Federal primers to CCI primers in my old C&H Autochamp progressive machines after the yellow dust left from the Federal priming mixture exploded when I was loading a primer magazine.  Federal primers are the most sensitive that is why they are packaged in such large boxes. About a year ago I had the same thing happen that Earl did with a Federal small pistol primer I about wet my pants. Just the primer went off all the powder was left unburned in the RCBS bullet puller. I posted here on this forum when it happened to me and several people commented they also had it happen.