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Offline czecherated

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Re: Interesting Issue w Shadow 2 Trigger Creep and Safety Engagement
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2019, 04:36:59 PM »
CZ is a GREAT and historic manufacturer, heir to the old Imperial Austrian works at Brunn (now Brno).   These are beautiful pistols, way better than the competition at the same price with super design features like full length rails holding the slide inside the frame, top quality hammer forger barrel, no short cuts (well, OK, no drop forging the frame anymore, but I don't think that matters).  I've had to send all kinds of guns back to work out kinks and it's part of the process.  Even with computer numeric controlled manufacturing, one is not going to get  a gun that shoots like these without a few hiccups.  I'll call CZ.  Adrian, do you really still want me to post the video?
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Re: Interesting Issue w Shadow 2 Trigger Creep and Safety Engagement
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2019, 11:16:23 PM »
I would just get the CGW hammer and adjustable sear, solves the creep issue for sure and likely the safety engagement as well.  The sear has a set screw in the safety engagement arm for a perfect adjustment. 
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Video of Shadow 2 Trigger Creep and Blocked Safety Engagement
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2019, 10:19:30 PM »
GMP, yes, that's what I've been thinking, send it out to CGW, but, on the other hand, I shoot the gun well and properly functioning in stock form would be OK too. 

Here's a 29-second video demonstrating the issue with the trigger/sear/safety/hammer: https://imgur.com/8c4Y8ME

I can't say I like having to work the hammer to get the safety to engage.  Flipping the safety up before further handling is safest.  I would not handle the gun the way shown in the video.  Rather, I use my off hand to work the hammer and then engage the safety, but it's still sub optimal.

I don't think this is an issue that will work itself out after after 500 rounds.
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Re: Interesting Issue w Shadow 2 Trigger Creep and Safety Engagement
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2019, 09:01:35 PM »
czecherated,

We responded to your video and identified the issue, and the fix.  We have seen this before.  You can have CZ-USA take care of it under warranty on their dime, or take the alternative suggestions we recommended. 


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Re: Interesting Issue w Shadow 2 Trigger Creep and Safety Engagement
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2019, 09:19:41 PM »
czecherated,

We responded to your video and identified the issue, and the fix.  We have seen this before.  You can have CZ-USA take care of it under warranty on their dime, or take the alternative suggestions we recommended.

can you summarize the comments here?

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Re: Interesting Issue w Shadow 2 Trigger Creep and Safety Engagement
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2019, 11:41:51 PM »
^^I can tell by the sound of schmekys post that the culprit was sear mites! They are attracted to the tasty sear meats you see.  :D
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Re: Interesting Issue w Shadow 2 Trigger Creep and Safety Engagement
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2019, 06:40:58 PM »
Schmeky,

Thank you for your prompt diagnosis, which I share with the forum here:

"You have creep in the SA, and when you lightly press the trigger in SA, the sear is riding up on the hammer hooks and not re-seating itself when you back off the trigger.  For all practical purposes it should re-seat.  The sear is "tipped" just enough to block the manual safety (since the sear did not re-seat as I previously mentioned)."

As he says, he's seen it before.
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Re: Interesting Issue w Shadow 2 Trigger Creep and Safety Engagement
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2019, 06:52:26 PM »
     Hiya and thanks for sharing the vid and that you found a fix. And thanks to David and company. Be well.

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Re: Interesting Issue w Shadow 2 Trigger Creep and Safety Engagement
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2019, 12:02:10 AM »
CZ customer service was very prompt and asked me to send the gun back.  I want to work with the Shadow 2 in stock configuration for a while before installing custom parts because the gun shoots really well for me as it is.  The stock gun might be best if I'm going to start on some kind of move and shoot pistol discipline.  I find lightening S/A trigger pull - great attribute in a target gun - and shortening reset can sometimes make the pistol harder to control when drawing and shooting quickly.  So until I reach a skill level, I might just keep it stock, fire a couple of thousand rounds and try shooting some USPSA matches, before sending it off to CGW.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2019, 09:32:55 AM by czecherated »
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