Bren 805 better than Bren 2?

[DDNC]

.....Will they making the Bren 2 in .308?

Yes, already do but probably not available here for quite some time. IIRC I seem to have read that CZ is not planning on importing those for years, possibly. ( for lowly non LE/Mil consumption)
https://le.cz-usa.com/the-new-bren-2-rifle-chambered-in-308/

[mig1nc]

The B2 isn’t better, it’s just lighter (more recoil) and more modular and comes in x39 as an option.
The B1 has a much better trigger group though.

Lighter doesn't mean more recoil unless all other factors remain the same.

A 5-6 pound tuned AR with internal piston has much less recoil than an 8+ pound loaded HK416.

I have not shot a Bren 2 and 805 back to back, but with the Bren 2 having a lighter reciprocating mass vs the 805 and a better tuned gas system, I wouldn't be surprised if the difference was minimal to nonexistent, or even favorable to the Bren 2.

Legit question. Had anybody in this thread shot them back to back with the same ammo and barrel length?



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[Brenfan]

The B2 isn’t better, it’s just lighter (more recoil) and more modular and comes in x39 as an option.
The B1 has a much better trigger group though.

Lighter doesn't mean more recoil unless all other factors remain the same.

A 5-6 pound tuned AR with internal piston has much less recoil than an 8+ pound loaded HK416.

I have not shot a Bren 2 and 805 back to back, but with the Bren 2 having a lighter reciprocating mass vs the 805 and a better tuned gas system, I wouldn't be surprised if the difference was minimal to nonexistent, or even favorable to the Bren 2.

Legit question. Had anybody in this thread shot them back to back with the same ammo and barrel length?



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The Bren2 has quite a bit more recoil than the 1.
I saw it in Mishas video.
Not only do they say it, it's also obvious watching it.
My little brother has a soft shooting AR, but it's nothing compared to the Bren 1. I've never shot any 223 that has as little recoil than the Bren 1
Honestly your really dreaming if you think the Bren 2 will have less recoil than the Bren 1 much less be the same
And, that's nothing against the Bren 2
 It just is what it is. The Bren 1 is incredible for soft recoil

[cops312]

This is a 5.56/223, why are we talking about recoil? There is none and if there is to much for you, then maybe stick with a 22 long rifle or BB gun

[mig1nc]

This is a 5.56/223, why are we talking about recoil? There is none and if there is to much for you, then maybe stick with a 22 long rifle or BB gun

Haha

Well, faster is faster. Doesn't matter if it's a BB gun or howitzer.

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[Type5]

805 or Bren 2?
Easy answer: a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. You

[cops312]

My Bren 2MS 8” 5.56 pistol is finally being shipped. Was very shocked when I saw the email today from CZ to say the least.

[RSR]

My experience w/ ARs is that 90%+ of 5.56 recoil can be mitigated via muzzle devices and recoil systems/buffers.  On a Bren the first applies in full, but for the second you might need to modify your gas settings, like for a suppressor: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=95143.0

W/ the Brens, I think the 805 makes a better rifle, while the 806 makes a better carbine.

The main loss from a military perspective that I believe to be significant is that the 806 lost the 2 shot burst that was present on the 805...

[reshp1]

Bren2 has quite a bit more recoil than the 1.
I saw it in Mishas video.
Not only do they say it, it's also obvious watching it.

I don't normally disagree with Misha on much, but they way underestimate the effect of the brake vs flash hider. Brakes on 5.56s are incredibly effective, almost half the mass that goes out the business end is gas. It goes double for short barrels because of the pressure available to work the brake.

I don't doubt losing a pound will make the gun snappier, but having several ARs that are over a pound apart, in and of itself, it isn't a huge difference between them just from being lighter or heavier.

[RSR]

Bren2 has quite a bit more recoil than the 1.
I saw it in Mishas video.
Not only do they say it, it's also obvious watching it.

I don't normally disagree with Misha on much, but they way underestimate the effect of the brake vs flash hider. Brakes on 5.56s are incredibly effective, almost half the mass that goes out the business end is gas. It goes double for short barrels because of the pressure available to work the brake.

I don't doubt losing a pound will make the gun snappier, but having several ARs that are over a pound apart, in and of itself, it isn't a huge difference between them just from being lighter or heavier.

In that vid, there's a flash hider on the 805 as well.  But the Bren 2 version used is the 8", which has something less than an inch of barrel past the gas port.  While dwell time is arguably less important for piston guns than DI ones, it nevertheless still matters.  They're shooting brass cased in video, so if the gas system is designed to work with both weak (e.g., russian steel) and full pressure loads (e.g., nato-spec) you'd have a case where the gun will be overgassed w/ milspec loads and accordingly more "snappy."

[reshp1]

[In that vid, there's a flash hider on the 805 as well. 

On the carbine, yes. The pistol 805 they shot had the brake. The carbine is going to recoil less because it's much, much heavier and balance is totally different to boot. You're probably right about those other factors having a small role in the perception of the Bren 2S being snappier.

[the war wagon]

805 or Bren 2?
Easy answer: a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. You

I'm gonna go with this, and continue to fondle my SP-1 excessively.   

[RSR]

[In that vid, there's a flash hider on the 805 as well. 

On the carbine, yes. The pistol 805 they shot had the brake. The carbine is going to recoil less because it's much, much heavier and balance is totally different to boot. You're probably right about those other factors having a small role in the perception of the Bren 2S being snappier.

Ah, misunderstood which one you were referencing. Yes 805 pistol in the live action but not table top...

[Noclutch]

Just thought I'd refresh this thread and thank all the prior participants.  Very relevant to my current quandary.
Any feedback from owners or shooter of both would be great.
Anyone with buyers remorse of either?

[Magsz]

There are a lot of people in this thread that seem loyal to their 805's.  If they like them then good for them, i hope they enjoy them.

Having said that.  The Bren 2 is a "better" rifle in the sense that it brings a lot of very desirable features to the market.

1.  Very light weight.
2.  Better controls than the 805.
3.  Non reciprocating charging handle.
4.  Lighter reciprocating mass resulting in less recoil.  The 805 kicked like a mule for a 5.56 gun even with a brake.
5.  Modular front end
6.  More ergonomic stock options.  Adjustable LOP to fit a variety of shooters.

IF you want a shooter, you want the Bren 2.  If you're a collector, you want the 805 and then a bren 2 later on to actually go shoot.

The 805 is a good rifle but the bren 2 is a product improvement.  Does everyone need an Iphone 11?  Absolutely not, people with Iphone 10's are doing just fine, same as people running around with Iphone 8's.  Is the Iphone 11 the best iteration of the Iphone from a performance standard?  Yes, it is.

Dont fight progress people.  The Bren 2 is a step forward in EVERY way.