Well, this is interesting, I am asked to test a new SD round- update part TWO!!

[armoredman]

Have you ever heard of Seismic? Me either, but a friend of mine showed some prom stuff on FB, and I commented on it. 185 grain bullet at 975 FPS, sounds like a 45 ACP stuffed in a 9mm case. I am the eternal skeptic and said so, gizmo whiz bangs wunderkind bullets, etc.,...so the company SENT me some to test. Color me floored.
The plan is I have some people in the firearms and police supply industry meeting me on a private range, and we will try this stuff, while wearing my CZF shirt and CZ hat, of course,  , in a P-10C, P-10S, perhaps a suppressed pistol caliber carbine, (the box DOES says perfect for suppressed firearms), only thing I can't do is gelatin tests, nobody local with any. Bummer. Their schtick is momentum is key, and the big heavy bullet at a subsonic velocity will give that momentum. As much as I am a skeptic about whiz bang stuff, I have to give the company props - they sent the stuff to me KNOWING this, and letting their brand new rep hang out with fat old me. I will try to get plenty of video/pictures/etc., and hopefully have an entertaining video up by the end of next week.
The round is called the Quakemaker. I kid thee not. This could be fun.

Edit - Part One Video

https://youtu.be/SVk3IYjtlGY

https://youtu.be/41VOBixvGQc

[Mercs]

Great teaser post; you got me wanting to see the vid for sure. I am a fan of bigger 9mm bullets for SD, but from 147gr to 185gr is a giant leap! Very very interesting. Boy I sure would love to be able to hang out on private ranges and test new ammo. You enjoy yourself now and let us know when the vid is ready [emoji1360]

[Wobbly]

A-man -
You sound about as surprised as I was when Berry Mfg send me samples of their 124gr HBRN before their Hollow Base bullets hit the market.

I would advise you to take your time and really plan several hard tests. Maybe even buy other SD ammo to compare it against; if not in gelatin, then on paper for accuracy. Definitely a chrono.

Also get closeups and lots of detail photos.

Good luck !

[Kelsw]

185 gr in a 9mm    .  Would like to see that too . Gel would of been interesting .

[eastman]

can't you just buy 20 boxes of jello and call it "uncalibrated ballistics gelatin, (flavor name here)"?

[Rock-it3]

Sounds interesting, and it could be fun. You are a good guy for it, too. However, I checked out their website, which is almost entirely lacking in information (didn't check FB). I notice they call it 9mm NATO, which confuses me, because NATO specs a 124 grain projectile with a higher than SAAMI pressure, I think. Obviously a 185 grain projectile is not NATO spec, so this leads me to believe by using the term NATO, that the pressure is higher than SAAMI, or +P. Which brings me to my point. Are you using all of your own firearms, and are they assuming any liability for having you "test" their ammo in your firearms? With the paucity of information available on their website, I think I wouldn't jump into this without assurances (in writing) of their assuming liability for damage to you and your guns.

[holidaypf]

It would be great if someone could bring a chrono and a Paul Harrell meat target.   

Podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnEf7e4KPSQ

[armoredman]

i have a chrony, that will be used, going to see if I can chrono through handgun and carbine. I don't have any ballistic gel, and no, I am not going to do 100 pounds of Jello, someone will want to wrestle in the stuff. I don't know what the other gentlemen will be bringing, so we'll see what happens.
Might see if there is a cheap pork shoulder available, but I need to keep costs down - it's between paydays.

[Joe L]

Shoot it in their pistol first to see what it feels/acts like. 

Will their bullet chamber without hitting the lands in the CZ barrel?  I can't imagine how big that bullet is to get that much weight.  (I didn't look at their web site.)  I'd hate for them to make the trip and then tell you to ream the CZ chamber before you can use their ammo.   

Assuming the rounds will run in your pistol, the holes will be higher on the target than with your usual light ammo with the slower bullet.  Recoil should feel different.  Try it at 7 yards then out to 20 to see if you see any variations in velocities, unless you have the chrono set up when shooting short. 

Joe

[holidaypf]

The youtube interview was more interesting than I thought it would be. Based on the claimed weight and velocity, the FPE is pretty close to Winchester Nato 124 FMJ. The developer is working on other heavy-for-caliber rounds as well. Apparently, powder charge development is the key ingredient, but the bullet coating and case materials are also a bit unique. The Achilles heel is cost. The developer said he was right in the middle, price-wise, with other self-defense ammo. Maybe at Bass Pro, 20-round box prices, but nowhere close to what's available online for HST/Gold Dot/Golden Sabre/Ranger-T 50-round boxes. Also, as already mentioned, the big question is where will it hit and how accurate will it be. Still, pretty cool concept and I am glad someone is out there thinking about what is possible.

[Earl Keese]

The youtube interview was more interesting than I thought it would be. Based on the claimed weight and velocity, the FPE is pretty close to Winchester Nato 124 FMJ. The developer is working on other heavy-for-caliber rounds as well. Apparently, powder charge development is the key ingredient, but the bullet coating and case materials are also a bit unique. The Achilles heel is cost. The developer said he was right in the middle, price-wise, with other self-defense ammo. Maybe at Bass Pro, 20-round box prices, but nowhere close to what's available online for HST/Gold Dot/Golden Sabre/Ranger-T 50-round boxes. Also, as already mentioned, the big question is where will it hit and how accurate will it be. Still, pretty cool concept and I am glad someone is out there thinking about what is possible.

Where are you finding HST in 50rd boxes? Didn't Federal statt enforcing their LEO only rule with their distributors?

[holidaypf]

The youtube interview was more interesting than I thought it would be. Based on the claimed weight and velocity, the FPE is pretty close to Winchester Nato 124 FMJ. The developer is working on other heavy-for-caliber rounds as well. Apparently, powder charge development is the key ingredient, but the bullet coating and case materials are also a bit unique. The Achilles heel is cost. The developer said he was right in the middle, price-wise, with other self-defense ammo. Maybe at Bass Pro, 20-round box prices, but nowhere close to what's available online for HST/Gold Dot/Golden Sabre/Ranger-T 50-round boxes. Also, as already mentioned, the big question is where will it hit and how accurate will it be. Still, pretty cool concept and I am glad someone is out there thinking about what is possible.

Where are you finding HST in 50rd boxes? Didn't Federal statt enforcing their LEO only rule with their distributors?

targetsportsusa.com

[armoredman]

Yes, Joe, it passed the plunk test.

With luck I can at least accuracy/chrono test these head to head.



They could save costs and lower the price if they ditch the goofy packaging.



Just for grins and giggles, weights of the three.







We'll see what happens next.

[holidaypf]

Ahhh, those pics explain the description of the different case materials.

[DWARREN]

A lot of weight for a 9mm. Waiting on the report and video.
Have fun!!!