Color coated quality compared to jacketed bullets

[anonymouscuban]

I wouldn't use the same bullets in training and competitions, that doesn't make any sense, unless I need for some reason.

I would absolutely use the same bullets you train with in competition.  There are recoil, timing, and accuracy (point of impact) considerations that will be slightly different even with the same weight bullets.  If your expecting a certain recoil arc performed during training repetition and show up at the match with a different load/bullet it will take you a couple of stages to get used to the "Competition" load timing.  That is not advised!

I would buy the cheapest (jacketed or coated) bullet you can find and see how accurate you can make it.  Reloading gives you options to tune the load to your gun and you could be surprised how well it could turn out.  Powder selection is key, getting a well metering powder is best when loading large quantities on a progressive.

I don't shoot 9mm much anymore as I shoot 40 in limited major.  I purchase bullets in bulk when on sale and load to make power factor and am able to shoot 1-2 inch groups at 25yds off hand (granted with a TSO with a CGW bushing).  This is plenty accurate for the run and gun games.  And I didn't spend much time developing the load.

Cheers,
Toby

I agree with tdogg. I wouldn't recommend training with different ammo. You wouldn't train with a different holster or any other part of your rig.

I also agree about load development and easy it is to get to an accurate shooting recipe for your gun.

I recently started shooting Brazos Precision 135gr RN coated bullet. They're about 5 cents per round. Can't beat that price. And surprisingly,  they're the most accurate coated bullet I've run out of my CZ.

As far as powder, I run titegroup. I read a lot of negative opinions about TG. It works great for me. It's one of the cheaper powders to buy and it's very economical, not much needed to make PF. Best of all, it meters extremely well. And as tdogg said, this is very important when loaded tons of ammo.

I talk to quite a few guys at matches that are constantly d!cking around with their loads. Honestly, I hate reloading. It's a means to an end for me. I stick to the same load, once I find one yhat works.

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[newageroman]

I used to be the one to try this load and that load and this bullet and that bullet and such. Now I've pretty much settled on just going with PD124s and Sport Pistol.

I tried xtreme plated first, then PD 124, then Blue Bullets coated. I've not had the best luck with Blue bullets as far as accuracy, but I believe that is because they are a bit undersized, as others have mentioned.

I've pretty much decided that the time spent on load development, testing, tweaking and such isn't worth the $.04/each I save over using a powder coated bullet. Now I don't shoot as much anymore, so that may change and be a factor for you.

I'll consider coated bullets for other guns, but I'll be ordering batches of 100 instead of 3k.

One other thing you may want to look into is Sport Pistol Powder. It is supposedly formulated to not remove the coating on powder coated bullets from long term storage (not when firing). I'm not 100% sold on all that, but I am sold on the fact that it is similar to N320 at 1/2 the price.

[deadsh0t]

I wouldn't use the same bullets in training and competitions, that doesn't make any sense, unless I need for some reason.

I would absolutely use the same bullets you train with in competition.  There are recoil, timing, and accuracy (point of impact) considerations that will be slightly different even with the same weight bullets.  If your expecting a certain recoil arc performed during training repetition and show up at the match with a different load/bullet it will take you a couple of stages to get used to the "Competition" load timing.  That is not advised!

I would buy the cheapest (jacketed or coated) bullet you can find and see how accurate you can make it.  Reloading gives you options to tune the load to your gun and you could be surprised how well it could turn out.  Powder selection is key, getting a well metering powder is best when loading large quantities on a progressive.

I don't shoot 9mm much anymore as I shoot 40 in limited major.  I purchase bullets in bulk when on sale and load to make power factor and am able to shoot 1-2 inch groups at 25yds off hand (granted with a TSO with a CGW bushing).  This is plenty accurate for the run and gun games.  And I didn't spend much time developing the load.

Cheers,
Toby

As I said, there are no differences except for smoke, for what I shoot at. Maybe there would be differences at farther distances

If I shoot 0.12 splits and hit 2 A's at a certain distance with hard cast, I'll do the same with color coated. Hard to tell any difference. Same for accuracy for the distances I can usually train at.

So, there's only money wasted in using color coated in training. You're not the first one to tell me that

I'm trying different combinations. I'd rather buy a good quality powder and use it for competitions (and for training if there were differences in timing) than paying much more for bullets.

[Earl Keese]

I wouldn't use the same bullets in training and competitions, that doesn't make any sense, unless I need for some reason.

I would absolutely use the same bullets you train with in competition.  There are recoil, timing, and accuracy (point of impact) considerations that will be slightly different even with the same weight bullets.  If your expecting a certain recoil arc performed during training repetition and show up at the match with a different load/bullet it will take you a couple of stages to get used to the "Competition" load timing.  That is not advised!

I would buy the cheapest (jacketed or coated) bullet you can find and see how accurate you can make it.  Reloading gives you options to tune the load to your gun and you could be surprised how well it could turn out.  Powder selection is key, getting a well metering powder is best when loading large quantities on a progressive.

I don't shoot 9mm much anymore as I shoot 40 in limited major.  I purchase bullets in bulk when on sale and load to make power factor and am able to shoot 1-2 inch groups at 25yds off hand (granted with a TSO with a CGW bushing).  This is plenty accurate for the run and gun games.  And I didn't spend much time developing the load.

Cheers,
Toby

As I said, there are no differences except for smoke, for what I shoot at. Maybe there would be differences at farther distances

If I shoot 0.12 splits and hit 2 A's at a certain distance with hard cast, I'll do the same with color coated. Hard to tell any difference. Same for accuracy for the distances I can usually train at.

So, there's only money wasted in using color coated in training. You're not the first one to tell me that

I'm trying different combinations. I'd rather buy a good quality powder and use it for competitions (and for training if there were differences in timing) than paying much more for bullets.

Man, you are making this way harder than it needs to be. Now you mention different powder for training and competition?

[deadsh0t]

I wouldn't use the same bullets in training and competitions, that doesn't make any sense, unless I need for some reason.

I would absolutely use the same bullets you train with in competition.  There are recoil, timing, and accuracy (point of impact) considerations that will be slightly different even with the same weight bullets.  If your expecting a certain recoil arc performed during training repetition and show up at the match with a different load/bullet it will take you a couple of stages to get used to the "Competition" load timing.  That is not advised!

I would buy the cheapest (jacketed or coated) bullet you can find and see how accurate you can make it.  Reloading gives you options to tune the load to your gun and you could be surprised how well it could turn out.  Powder selection is key, getting a well metering powder is best when loading large quantities on a progressive.

I don't shoot 9mm much anymore as I shoot 40 in limited major.  I purchase bullets in bulk when on sale and load to make power factor and am able to shoot 1-2 inch groups at 25yds off hand (granted with a TSO with a CGW bushing).  This is plenty accurate for the run and gun games.  And I didn't spend much time developing the load.

Cheers,
Toby

As I said, there are no differences except for smoke, for what I shoot at. Maybe there would be differences at farther distances

If I shoot 0.12 splits and hit 2 A's at a certain distance with hard cast, I'll do the same with color coated. Hard to tell any difference. Same for accuracy for the distances I can usually train at.

So, there's only money wasted in using color coated in training. You're not the first one to tell me that

I'm trying different combinations. I'd rather buy a good quality powder and use it for competitions (and for training if there were differences in timing) than paying much more for bullets.

Man, you are making this way harder than it needs to be. Now you mention different powder for training and competition?

Maybe in USA that's not a problem, but spending more than twice the price for the powder is a bit too much, especially if there's no difference in reaction except for accuracy / POI at 25+ yards.

Again, if double taps take the same time + same reaction, and up to 20 yards there's no difference, I'll use the cheap powder in training and the expensive one for last 1-2 trainings + competitions. Especially if they have the same burning rate.

If some variables change noticeably that's a different story.

When I use hard cast in trainings and color coated in competitions there's no difference except for smoke, and money.

[Dan_69GTX]

When I use hard cast in trainings and color coated in competitions there's no difference except for smoke, and money.

If there are no differences then why are you asking this question?

Stop debating and listen to the answers.....Form your own opinion and keep it to yourself.

[deadsh0t]

When I use hard cast in trainings and color coated in competitions there's no difference except for smoke, and money.

If there are no differences then why are you asking this question?

Stop debating and listen to the answers.....Form your own opinion and keep it to yourself.

You could read all the words I wrote.

THERE ARE differences.

But not when I train at distances up to 20 yards. Nothing I can notice, except for SMOKE and MONEY.

The thread wasn't about that. It drifted since sometimes people think everybody else is rich and is willing to waste money. I was asking about accuracy past 35 yards.

[Earl Keese]

When I use hard cast in trainings and color coated in competitions there's no difference except for smoke, and money.

If there are no differences then why are you asking this question?

Stop debating and listen to the answers.....Form your own opinion and keep it to yourself.

You could read all the words I wrote.

THERE ARE differences.

But not when I train at distances up to 20 yards. Nothing I can notice, except for SMOKE and MONEY.

The thread wasn't about that. It drifted since sometimes people think everybody else is rich and is willing to waste money. I was asking about accuracy past 35 yards.

You have been the recipient of a significant amount of goodwill and patience in the two threads you posted. Nobody here assumes you are rich, and none of us is willing to waste money. You however,  appear to be willing to waste other people's time. I hope you find what you're looking for, whatever that may be.

[deadsh0t]

When I use hard cast in trainings and color coated in competitions there's no difference except for smoke, and money.

If there are no differences then why are you asking this question?

Stop debating and listen to the answers.....Form your own opinion and keep it to yourself.

You could read all the words I wrote.

THERE ARE differences.

But not when I train at distances up to 20 yards. Nothing I can notice, except for SMOKE and MONEY.

The thread wasn't about that. It drifted since sometimes people think everybody else is rich and is willing to waste money. I was asking about accuracy past 35 yards.

You have been the recipient of a significant amount of goodwill and patience in the two threads you posted. Nobody here assumes you are rich, and none of us is willing to waste money. You however,  appear to be willing to waste other people's time. I hope you find what you're looking for, whatever that may be.

I'm sorry, but what I noticed is that it seems like every post I'm posting is like a different thread, so there's a lot of time and effort wasted on trying to convince me I should buy the best bullets, the best powder and have new brass even for training at 10 yards (just to exaggerate a bit). Maybe some people do that for real, but I don't need it.

There's no need to take every word as a way to drift from the main topic

[recoilguy]

When I use hard cast in trainings and color coated in competitions there's no difference except for smoke, and money.

If there are no differences then why are you asking this question?

Stop debating and listen to the answers.....Form your own opinion and keep it to yourself.

You could read all the words I wrote.

THERE ARE differences.

But not when I train at distances up to 20 yards. Nothing I can notice, except for SMOKE and MONEY.

The thread wasn't about that. It drifted since sometimes people think everybody else is rich and is willing to waste money. I was asking about accuracy past 35 yards.

You have been the recipient of a significant amount of goodwill and patience in the two threads you posted. Nobody here assumes you are rich, and none of us is willing to waste money. You however,  appear to be willing to waste other people's time. I hope you find what you're looking for, whatever that may be.

RIGHT ON!!!!!!

[deadsh0t]

What I read is random judgement and blind advice with few exceptions

[Earl Keese]

What I read is random judgement and blind advice with few exceptions

If that's what you get out of these discussions, then comprehension may be your issue, not the selection of reloading components.

[Dan_69GTX]

What I read is random judgement and blind advice with few exceptions

You are right!

Folk here have spent HOURS testing and developing a load for their preferred gun(s) and offered advice that will be of no use for you.

You should definitely get the cheapest of gun, ammo, bullet, powder, etc, slap it all together and it will be perfect for you!

Glad you have the answers!

Bye Bye

[recoilguy]

What I read is random judgement and blind advice with few exceptions

If that's what you get out of these discussions, then comprehension may be your issue, not the selection of reloading components.

Right On again.....then comprehension may be is definitely your issue

[deadsh0t]

Last answers are clearly judgmental and random.

I didn't say I would spend 0 to obtain the best. I said I wouldn't waste money on something I don't need to. So, stop putting your judgment like "you should use the most expensive components any time", that's my right to judge. You can explain whatever you think, but saying that's what one has to do is NOT the right answer and this is objective.