Why the anti-gunners will ultimately win

[Old-Duckman]

Not always but usually, pro-gun folks are conservative in their political views. My friends where I work fall into both categories. As we have been discussing the latest gun related news I have put forth the following opinion and thought I'd relate it to you all for your consideration, comments etc.

1 - Public schools (an arm of the "state" IMO, without question they are state run) have been and continue to espouse liberal, often anti-American, view points. It has worked and much of the younger generation(s) have bought into that way of thinking. They seem to be begging for the state to strip them of their constitutional rights, and ours in the process.

2 - "News" surely run by the state and without doubt are pushing the State agenda, which includes anti-gun, anti-2nd amendment stances.

3 - Lastly my conclusion and the most controversial of my points; the Bible. The Bible clearly predicts a coming one world government under the leadership of one individual (or one congruous system as some interpret it, vs a single individual), whichever the case all peoples will be under the control of a single controlling force. For this to be accomplished there simply can not be a sovereign country operating with the freedoms we as Americans blithely take for granted. For this one world government to exist either America can not exist and will be destroyed or (more likely) our current form of government will strip its citizens of any and all rights that might threaten the existence of such an all controlling force.

I don't know when this will happen but in my mind there is no other foreseeable outcome. Our ability to own and use the firearms we are currently able to will most likely not survive another generation.

As I have said many times to my colleagues, "I'm glad I'm old."

[Ma}{imus]

I don't know, I think it's much simpler than that. I think the apathy of the general public, including most gun owners, will allow for the extremes on both sides to ruin it for the rest of us.

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[jwc007]

Against all odds...........................I remain defiant! 

If you are not already involved with your local and State Gun Clubs, get involved!  If they happen to have any Youth Shooting programs, help them out!

Stay involved with your local and state Politics, no matter how corrupt they may be, and let your voice be heard!

Do not let the illusion the so called Main Stream Corporate Media voices, become yours and our reality!

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Not always but usually, pro-gun folks are conservative in their political views. My friends where I work fall into both categories. As we have been discussing the latest gun related news I have put forth the following opinion and thought I'd relate it to you all for your consideration, comments etc.

1 - Public schools (an arm of the "state" IMO, without question they are state run) have been and continue to espouse liberal, often anti-American, view points. It has worked and much of the younger generation(s) have bought into that way of thinking. They seem to be begging for the state to strip them of their constitutional rights, and ours in the process.

2 - "News" surely run by the state and without doubt are pushing the State agenda, which includes anti-gun, anti-2nd amendment stances.

3 - Lastly my conclusion and the most controversial of my points; the Bible. The Bible clearly predicts a coming one world government under the leadership of one individual (or one congruous system as some interpret it, vs a single individual), whichever the case all peoples will be under the control of a single controlling force. For this to be accomplished there simply can not be a sovereign country operating with the freedoms we as Americans blithely take for granted. For this one world government to exist either America can not exist and will be destroyed or (more likely) our current form of government will strip its citizens of any and all rights that might threaten the existence of such an all controlling force.

I don't know when this will happen but in my mind there is no other foreseeable outcome. Our ability to own and use the firearms we are currently able to will most likely not survive another generation.

As I have said many times to my colleagues, "I'm glad I'm old."

Yes I often think the same thing and for the record I'm that "extreme" that will NEVER surrender ANYTHING while I'm breathing. No compromise.

[Ma}{imus]

Against all odds...........................I remain defiant! 

If you are not already involved with your local and State Gun Clubs, get involved!  If they happen to have any Youth Shooting programs, help them out!

Stay involved with your local and state Politics, no matter how corrupt they may be, and let your voice be heard!

Do not let the illusion the so called Main Stream Corporate Media voices, become yours and our reality!

I've long since pushed my support to local gun organizations rather than national ones. Being able to call or email the president and get a response the same day is great. Also, they are very much in the know with what is going on with state legislation and getting the membership involved.

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[Hillbilly357]

"I'm glad I'm old."
I concur with this sentiment.

[aflevine]

At the risk of taking a more controversial perspective (at least here), I believe that background checks that focus on keeping guns out of the hands of proven violent/threatening people are a good idea.  I'm okay with requiring training and licensing to own a gun.   One gun ... multiple guns ... that really doesn't matter.

The assault weapons ban is absurd because it will be completely ineffective at stopping gun-based crime or mass-murderers.   

Red Flag laws are inherently unconstitutional as they presume guilt, allowing unlawful search and seizure.

Tyranny is not taking guns away, though that's something a tyrant might indeed want to do.  The US used to be a beacon of freedom.  You cannot be free if you can't feed, clothe, or house yourself.  Engineered poverty and destruction of the manufacturing base are not about freedom, quite the opposite.  The "American Dream" has been all but eliminated.  Our Constitution was written in defense against tyranny and we're being reminded of how precious those freedoms are. 

Finally, if you're afraid of government taking a heavy hand to right this ship, keep in mind that desperate people losing homes to the climate crisis will necessarily move inland.  Despite all the hype, there likely won't be a breakdown in law or government.  Instead, the government will take a much heavier hand to control the situation.  So, we have a choice now on whether to allow our leaders to continue to deny or remember who we are, as a people.

[MadDuner]

The anti-gunners will win through the brainwashing of our children.  Old pharts and patriots like me will die off, and the youngsters will not even realize what they are ultimately giving up.  I, and others of my generation, will be long since dead and there will be nobody to even pretend to fight it. 

I am so very glad that I won’t be here to see the results of an entire country being turned into the giant liberal cesspool...because you know full well that when they have the political power to destroy the Constitution - that most every other part of the fabric our country is currently woven with will be shredded and discarded as well.

[v35]

I'm not quite ready to concede defeat.

If the current political atmosphere is conducive for government to Do Something!!!™ (and it is) I would like to see the federal Department of Education mandate firearms safety in all public schools.

After long and somber deliberations with all the factions making those demands and in consultation with the NRA (which apparently has already taken place) the President should instruct Secretary Betsy DeVos to enact a program of fundamental firearms safety for implementation beginning in grade school. It should address learning about long guns / handguns / semi-autos / ammunition / NFA items / legal requirements ownership and use... the list is very, very long and you already know that.

Firearms are not addressed in public schools any more, not that I know of anyway. Sex education is. Driver education is. Lots of things are... but guns? Total silence. The result of this ignorance is an embarrassing lack of understanding and wild misconceptions on display at all levels of society, most of whom get their firearms education through movies and TV... and just about everything shown in them is 100% BS. Arguably, ignorance has encouraged mass shootings because the victims are uninformed and defenseless as a result.

Lots of those misconceptions make their way into laws, many of which are ill-conceived and totally inscrutable but nevertheless we have to cope with them.

The gun grabbers / collectivists will howl and scream but they do that anyway. Besides, what are they to complain about? Education is a good thing, isn't it? President is doing something to address gun safety, isn't he?

I'd like to hear some cogent arguments why such a program is a bad idea. Lacking them, the President would be acting within the law by making such a request of the D of E.

If Bush could implement "No Child Left Behind" surely Trump could do this. For once, perhaps Do Something!!!™ would lead to something good.

[DWARREN]

The anti's will win if we don't use all of our resources to fight for our Constitutional rights.
NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER GIVE IN!

[larryflew]

Probably the most frustrating for me is all of the outright lies like comparing AR15 to actual military weapons including that they can fire 500 rounds a minute and that there is no reason to own one other than for killing.  As if it isn't the most useful platform for MANY calibers and uses. Without "large capacity" magazines there would be considerably less chances of killing a lot of people. Nobody needs to have hundreds of rounds of ammunition. The "gun show loophole" and buying on the internet bypasses NICS checks and allows anyone to buy a gun.

My father used to say 50% of the people out there are as smart as stones. Those people appear to believe every fake news story and anti-gun BS they hear and they spew SO MUCH bull bleep that are outright lies.

We may be doomed but going out kicking and screaming all the way.

They don't even get it that all the laws are already broken by criminals yet they think murder being illegal isn't stopping them but they think New gun laws will do it.

It's the cars that cause drunk driving, the forks cause fat people ....................

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Absolutely it's about control and whatever means they can achieve to get us there and disarmed. Today the demonic flavor of the day is the AR15 or AK47 or anything along those lines. I remember in the 70's it was those cheap "Saturday Night specials" which is another lousy term used to demonize what was nothing more than small pocket pistols. Then came the 80's and the Reagan shooting and Jim Brady who was also severely wounded in that incident. After that Sarah Brady founded Handgun Control Inc. and they sought to demonize All handguns as the easily concealed tool of the devil. Then the NY subway shooting carried out with a high capacity Beretta pistol and Black Talon bullets. That led us into AWB 1994 and mag capacity restrictions and restrictions on guns that were nothing more than cosmetics and it was all just bunk and excuses to limit the availability of what ever they could demonize and get away with.
They will never stop till they can ban them all as that is the ultimate goal. Today it's semi auto rifles and when that doesn't work it will be shotguns and then handguns and eventually if people allow it to happen they won't even be allowed a black powder musket.
Never surrender!

[Vinny]

Yes,  the anti-gunners WILL win, unless good pro-gun citizens help and encourage our legislators to pass common sense revisions to the current gun laws.

Just two weeks after the Parkland FL school shootings, FL legislators quickly responded to the public outcry for SOMETHING to be done, and within two weeks passed Florida SB 7026 and it was signed into law by then Rep. Governor Rick Scott (now a Republican US Senator). IMHO this was a common-sense approach, and I fear that if we do nothing and propose nothing, we WILL lose our rights. The prompt action by the FL legislature and Governor increased public safety in FL without taking away any guns.

Before you dismiss FL SB 7026 as tyranny, take some time to read it. I understand those that say we should resit ANY give; but IMHO that approach will simply end in defeat and the Left-wing will be allowed to write the laws their way.

JMO

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Nope no way not buying that at all. We have 20,000 gun laws on the books that are not being properly enforced already.Tired of hearing this crap "common sense" approach as well. That's the rhetoric of the anti gunners in that everything they propose is "common sense" and if you disagree you are unreasonable.
The common sense approach is just another way of chipping away at our rights bit by little bit.
FACT: Every criminal who wants a gun right now has one.
FACT: Nothing anyone has proposed will prevent the next looney tune from carrying out mayhem.
FACT: Nothing we concede to will prevent bad people from doing bad things and we'll only lose more of our hard fought freedom.
There is just nothing we can agree to that will ever stop the anti's. We could all dump our legally owned AR's in the smelter today and it would not appease them in the least. Next week they'll be back for more.

[Old-Duckman]

Yes,  the anti-gunners WILL win, unless good pro-gun citizens help and encourage our legislators to pass common sense revisions to the current gun laws.

Just two weeks after the Parkland FL school shootings, FL legislators quickly responded to the public outcry for SOMETHING to be done, and within two weeks passed Florida SB 7026 and it was signed into law by then Rep. Governor Rick Scott (now a Republican US Senator). IMHO this was a common-sense approach, and I fear that if we do nothing and propose nothing, we WILL lose our rights. The prompt action by the FL legislature and Governor increased public safety in FL without taking away any guns.

Before you dismiss FL SB 7026 as tyranny, take some time to read it. I understand those that say we should resit ANY give; but IMHO that approach will simply end in defeat and the Left-wing will be allowed to write the laws their way.

JMO

What I believe to be the flaw in that approach is that "they" will never be satisfied until all privately owned firearms are eliminated.

One recent example: I am on the mailing list of PFAW (people for the American way) (always good to know your opponent), they just sent an email yesterday that had a link to a drive by the Parkland student group. The link told them to write a letter to Walmart, take a photo of you standing in front of your local Walmart with the letter in hand and deliver the letter to the customer service area asking them to forward it to the store manager.

After the Parkland event Walmart raised the age limit for buying firearms in their stores and discontinued sale of handguns and assault style rifles . This was mentioned in the email and was included in the suggested text of the letter they were encouraging everyone to write. The next line in their letter to Walmart was what caught my attention the most, the exact line after stating what Walmart had already done was this "That was not enough." To me, that said it all...As stated above, it will never "be enough" until all privately owned firearms are eliminated...Reason, read my initial post, an armed citizenry just won't be acceptable to a one world governing system.

Don't be deceived and don't think you can placate this bunch.  The goal of globalists is the total elimination of privately owned firearms, no exceptions ! They are ever so patient but the goal will not change. They live by the method of "death by a thousand slices".