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Hornady Lead Semi Wad Cutters for 45ACP
« on: December 27, 2019, 08:44:53 PM »
I just bought some Hornady 200gr Lead Semi Wad Cutters
The reason is because I wanted to compare them with the ones I have been using: The Bear Creek Supply 200 gr LSWC.
I am still a newbie at reloading and there is so much conflicting data among reputable manuals that I was unsure of my experiments. Bear Creek bullets have no published data and they recommend using the Lyman cast bullet handbook.   Hahahaha!  Lyman has two different loads for two different versions of the 200gr lead bullet!

For example, here are some starting and maximum loads for the 45ACP 200gr LSWC (or other mystery Lead bullet) with Alliant bullseye powder:
Alliant     LSWC             4.14 - 4.6
Lee         Lead bullet     4.0  - 4.6
Lyman   #452460        3.5  - 5.6
Lyman   #452630        4.9  - 6.0
Hornady  LSWC            4.6  - 5.7 

So I bought Hornady LSWC because it has a published data and I wanted to see what it looks like physically next to Bear Creek. Here are the pictures:



My conclusion, correct me if I am wrong, is that while the Hornady is shorter, the part that is below the shoulder is much longer than the Bear Creek. Therefore the Hornady sits deeper in the case and I can safely use their data without fear of over pressure. If anything it should be a little lower.
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Re: Hornady Lead Semi Wad Cutters for 45ACP
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2019, 08:43:24 AM »
If you're asking if you can safely use the Hornady data for the Bear Creek bullet...

yes you can. Your thinking is correct.
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Re: Hornady Lead Semi Wad Cutters for 45ACP
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2019, 08:46:56 AM »
You got several things to consider....

• You have a Hornady bullet and you have the Hornady data for that bullet. That's an exact 1:1 match. You're not using a "close match", like using the Bear Creek bullet with Hornady data. The only reason I would moderate the published Hornady data is that it reports something counter to your own notes.

• You don't use OAL so much when dealing with SWC. Good feeding and chambering seem to rely upon where the shoulder is. And that should be approximately between 0.030 and 0.040" of exposed shoulder. So you won't change your die setting if you're seating from the shoulder, and (you're correct) there will be more bullet shank inside the case.

• Although it's "nice to know", 45ACP is such a low pressure round that bullet position matters much less than (say) 9mm Luger.


You might glance at this thread...
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=97261.0

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« Last Edit: December 29, 2019, 07:54:25 AM by Wobbly »
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Re: Hornady Lead Semi Wad Cutters for 45ACP
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2019, 06:53:35 PM »
Thanks for your input, Wobbly.
I have another question. I have only reloaded Jacketed, plated or coated. Even before I opened the box of Hornady there was a fine powder all over my dark sweater and a lot more once I opened the box. I assume it's the lubricant they apply at the factory but I am wondering how much of that stuff is lead dust. It's not very confidence inspiring, it seems toxic. I'm not even sure if I want to use those bullets.

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Re: Hornady Lead Semi Wad Cutters for 45ACP
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2019, 05:08:17 AM »
That is the dry lube they use. I have cast my own bullets for years and there is no lead dust that occurs unless you are grinding,filing,sanding the lead. Proper ventilation is required when casting though. Use the bullets they are perfectly safe. Wash your hands after handling ANY loading component.

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Re: Hornady Lead Semi Wad Cutters for 45ACP
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2019, 08:32:00 AM »
That is the dry lube they use. I have cast my own bullets for years and there is no lead dust that occurs unless you are grinding, filing, sanding the lead. Use the bullets they are perfectly safe. Wash your hands after handling ANY loading component.

This seems like a very reasonable and moderate answer.

These days I shoot very, very little lead myself, and all of that Hi-Tek coated. The last time I bought lead bullets with the waffle pattern on the shank, it was a feature to hold Alox or some other brownish wax bullet lube. Gosh, that was in the late 70's.

You're thinking correctly though. You do want to minimize breathing any kind of dust associated with reloading.... tumbling media dust, spent primer smut, the dust you described in your boxes, the dust on the reloading room floor. By that, I don't mean full HazMat suits and respirators, but rather reasonable and regular housekeeping steps, such as....
• Possibly opening that box in the yard. Placing the contents in a sieve and leaving all the loose bits outdoors.
• Wet and dry tumbling outdoors
• Regular vacuuming of the reloading area
• Using a spent primer collector system which takes everything to a sealed container
• Regular filter changes in the reloading room and vacuum
• Observing good hygiene... Washing of clothes and hands

And even these moderate steps will be total overkill.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Hornady Lead Semi Wad Cutters for 45ACP
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2019, 10:27:05 AM »
If you're asking if you can safely use the Hornady data for the Bear Creek bullet...

yes you can. Your thinking is correct.
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