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Offline Rmach

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All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« on: January 02, 2020, 08:02:09 PM »
Am I the only right handed shooter that has seven all metal CZ's that shoot ~2" left at 10 Yards? I'm asking because my Canik C-100, Kahr CM9, Ruger SP-101 and Taurus PT140 G-2 do not.  My sight pusher has paid for itself a few times over adjusting the CZ's. I totally understand the concept of trigger control with jerking and slapping the trigger, but this just seems uncanny that my CZ Shadow Orange, two S-2's and four CZ75's exhibit this tendency.
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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2020, 09:00:22 PM »
I've only used my sight pusher to install and then adjust replacement sights on the CZ's.

But, I've seldom shot anything but 115 grain ammo either.
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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2020, 09:53:32 PM »
It's probably the MCheapo springs.  O0

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2020, 10:12:33 PM »
I own and regularly shoot the following CZ pistols:

RAMI 2075
CZ 75 SP-01
CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow 1
CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow 1 converted to SAO
CZ 97B
CZ 75 Shadowline Compact

I have not had a single issue with any of these pistols shooting left or right. 

All but one of these pistols have fixed rear sights and the sights are centered in the dovetail on the rear of the slide. 

The pistol with an adjustable rear sight has the rear sight precisely in the center of the windage adjustment range.

I previously owned a CZ Pro-Tek 1 with a fixed rear sight and had identical results as with the pistols listed above.

Have you had other shooters shoot the mentioned pistols and experience the same results as when you shoot them?

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2020, 10:13:53 PM »
It's probably the MCheapo springs.  O0

Ahh grasshopper, I never thought of that.  Only three of the the 75's have the MCARBO springs... :)  I'm waiting for the fourth kit that's on backorder.
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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2020, 10:16:17 PM »
I own and regularly shoot the following CZ pistols:

RAMI 2075
CZ 75 SP-01
CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow 1
CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow 1 converted to SAO
CZ 97B
CZ 75 Shadowline Compact

I have not had a single issue with any of these pistols shooting left or right. 

All but one of these pistols have fixed rear sights and the sights are centered in the dovetail on the rear of the slide. 

The pistol with an adjustable rear sight has the rear sight precisely in the center of the windage adjustment range.

I previously owned a CZ Pro-Tek 1 with a fixed rear sight and had identical results as with the pistols listed above.

Have you had other shooters shoot the mentioned pistols and experience the same results as when you shoot them?

I'm sure it's me, but just seems a bit uncanny.  Thanks for posting your results.
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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2020, 10:17:09 PM »
It's probably the MCheapo springs.  O0

Ahh grasshopper, I never thought of that.  Only three of the the 75's have the MCARBO springs... :)  I'm waiting for the fourth kit that's on backorder.
Must be the shooter then. :)

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2020, 10:21:34 PM »
They were originally socialist pistols.

Aim a bit right
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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2020, 11:08:40 PM »
I don't think your 7 CZs all shoot left and everyone else's shoot straight.  If pushing the sites works for you then no worries.  But I have a feeling its your trigger pull specific to this platform while other platforms you are fine.  There are certain guns I swear are not on point yet some sessions I shoot bulls-eyes with them.  I think shooting accurately is both practice with the particular gun and also modifying it to yourself. 

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2020, 01:13:29 AM »
I don't think your 7 CZs all shoot left and everyone else's shoot straight.  If pushing the sites works for you then no worries.  But I have a feeling its your trigger pull specific to this platform while other platforms you are fine.  There are certain guns I swear are not on point yet some sessions I shoot bulls-eyes with them.  I think shooting accurately is both practice with the particular gun and also modifying it to yourself.

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In my case - polymer PPQ - perfect center shots out of the box. With CZ P-01 - I needed 3 weeks to get the perfect center shots. All is about different ergonomics and trigger weight.

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2020, 09:27:24 AM »
Can you post your groups at 10 yards and 25 yards?

With CZ S2 it should one big hole, so it's difficult to say. It would be helpful to look at your targets at 25 yards/meters.

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2020, 10:02:30 AM »
Can you post your groups at 10 yards and 25 yards?

With CZ S2 it should one big hole, so it's difficult to say. It would be helpful to look at your targets at 25 yards/meters.

I rarely shoot 25 yards.  Here's two targets from yesterday, left at 10yds and right at 15.  This was my last CZ that was never adjusted until I got home.  I would have adjusted it sooner, but the two set screws were rounding out using a T9 bit. I wound up heating them up with a soldering iron and tapping in a T10 bit.  That worked well. Hopefully, back to the range later today.



« Last Edit: January 03, 2020, 10:15:55 AM by Rmach »
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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2020, 10:20:54 AM »
I don't think your 7 CZs all shoot left and everyone else's shoot straight.  If pushing the sites works for you then no worries.  But I have a feeling its your trigger pull specific to this platform while other platforms you are fine.  There are certain guns I swear are not on point yet some sessions I shoot bulls-eyes with them.  I think shooting accurately is both practice with the particular gun and also modifying it to yourself.

Thanks, I agree.  I started this thread just to see if there are others that have noticed this tendency.
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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2020, 11:47:51 AM »
Your groups are quite large at 10 yards. There are some issues regarding shooting technique which you could look at. It would be certainly helpful if an experienced colleague could watch your grip, trigger squeeze, aiming, posture and give you feedback. From a first person perspective it is sometimes difficult to see.

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Re: All my metal CZ's shoot left.
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2020, 12:57:56 PM »
Your groups are quite large at 10 yards. There are some issues regarding shooting technique which you could look at. It would be certainly helpful if an experienced colleague could watch your grip, trigger squeeze, aiming, posture and give you feedback. From a first person perspective it is sometimes difficult to see.

Don't misinterpret my comments as being angry, but my groups are good compared to the hundreds of other shooters I see at the range. Once in a blue moon I'll see a shooter that is better. The groups I posted are good enough to easily qualify as an NRA pistol shooting instructor. Look up the shooting qualifications to become an NRA pistol shooting instructor.  Besides that, covering your entire group with your hand at 10-15 yards has always been considered decent shooting.

I read your postings and saw your groupings at 25m, and they are outstanding and probably rate at a professional level.  I'm an old guy in my later 60's that wears progressive lens, so comparing my groups to yours are not in the same playing field. I always shoot standing with a two hand hold with two shots every three seconds or so.

Here's a video of NRA instructor qualification. I'll bet you are surprised at the liberal tolerances allowed, but most police and regular shooters cannot shoot this well to qualify as an instructor.

« Last Edit: January 03, 2020, 04:34:01 PM by Rmach »
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