P10C Drop Safety Engagement Issue?

[hippoc]

Hello,

I have a question regarding my P10C's drop safety. It seems like the engagement is insufficient to actually be considered "drop safe". Here is a short clip I took of the issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2tboSMNCJs

I have a little over 1000 rounds through this gun. Love it, but am a bit concerned at the safety. You will notice in the video that the safety engages "fully" and "less-than-fully" at random. Sometimes I can very easily push the striker forward, while other times it requires a bit more force. Still, with one finger I can push the striker past the drop safety every time ("full" engagement or otherwise). In my mind, a drop safety should be designed such that the striker can in no way exert a force upon the safety in order to cause it to fail. Now, I do understand that having the slide by itself does not constitute a full working assembly - I am hoping that there are parts in the frame which contribute to the drop safety, which are obviously not operating when the pistol is taken apart as it is in the video.

Let me know what you all think, thanks!

[Bossgobbler]

You are right it's not as a stand-alone unit.

[hippoc]

You are right it's not as a stand-alone unit.

What components of the frame contribute to ensuring that the drop safety stays engaged until the trigger is pulled? I have difficulty figuring out what does what when looking at the frame internals.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

This has been covered before. When the gun is fully assembled everything works together as designed and the gun is perfectly safe. Or simply it's as safe as any gun out there depending mainly upon it's handler.
If you're really that worried about it call CZ-USA and explain your concern to them. There is also another vid on youtube that explains how the CZ assembly works.

[hippoc]

This has been covered before. When the gun is fully assembled everything works together as designed and the gun is perfectly safe. Or simply it's as safe as any gun out there depending mainly upon it's handler.
If you're really that worried about it call CZ-USA and explain your concern to them. There is also another vid on youtube that explains how the CZ assembly works.

Is this the video to which you refer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp1BOsQGOmw

Thanks, I just finished viewing it and feel better about it now.

EDIT: Though, now upon viewing the below linked video, I don't exactly trust the above linked video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN7cbTSwR4A&feature=youtu.be

From this post https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=105862.0

I think the conclusion that I am reaching is that the pistol is drop safe, but it has a mechanism inside it (the striker safety) which does not truly perform its function of stopping the striker from moving forward. Other mechanisms, such as the trigger bar, make the gun drop safe, but why would CZ include the striker safety in this pistol if it really doesn't stop the striker?

[seebee62]

I don’t know of any incidents of a P10C striker going forward to fire a round without pulling the trigger. 

I don’t know of any incidents of the P10 firing when dropped.

I’ve carried mine for 2 years now IWB and feel perfectly safe. I don’t carry AIWB because of big belly and it doesn’t work for me.

If you don’t feel the gun is safe either don’t carry it or get something else. I’m not trying to be a smart A$$ but every owner has to take the information available about a firearm and make a informed decision on that firearm.

Like some will keep a shotgun at the ready with a round chambered and some will not. The information is there that a shotgun could fire if dropped or falls from being leaned against something. I keep my SG on the floor beside my bed empty chamber. So I made a informed decision.

Some people won’t carry a striker fired gun at all because they don’t believe it’s safe or won’t carry striker fired unless it has a safety or will only carry DA/SA. All are informed decisions and people have to make one.


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[Walt Sherrill]

This was discussed previously and to a much greater degree.  Here's a link to the original discussion on this forum.

It's much ado about nothing -- The striker safety works when the gun is assembled and the various parts work as they should.  Just looking at one part of the system is silly.

Scroll up to the top after you click on the link, if it doesn't take you to the top automatically.

https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=105862.msg821012#msg821012

[M1DNY73]

It's much ado about nothing -- The striker safety works when the gun is assembled and the various parts work as they should.

The striker block doesn't behave differently when the gun is assembled, as shown in my video.
The gun I am demonstrating is a pre-update Czech-made P-10 C with no modifications other than an armorer's cover plate I made myself.

https://youtu.be/_JcV_w-kxx8

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Has there been a case of a P10 discharging when dropped? Has anyone even made a vid of intentionally causing a P10 to discharge when dropped much like came out when Sig had their issue with the P320?
Unless someone can post proof that there is a drop safety issue with the P10 then this is a big nothingburger.

[Walt Sherrill]

I can't tell what you're doing in your video.  Please explain. 

How is pressing a part of the striker assembly from outside the weapon replicating what could happen if the gun is dropped?

[Earl Keese]

Was there actually a question in the original post?

[discocr]

It looks to me the p10c is fairly safe, with:
1. Trigger safety (part #16) blocking the trigger
2. Trigger bar (#7) raised when cocked.
these 2 aspects alone prevent firing pin (#3a) to go forward and hit the primer.

In an unlikely scenario when the above 2 conditions are somehow bypassed, the Automatic Safety (#3d) will either block the firing pin(#3a) completely, or slows it down before it hits the primer.  I think this is the main purpose of the Automatic Safety.  I don't think it's logical to lable the function of this part to be "unsafe" of "failed" when it does its job either fully blocking or just tripping the trigger bar.