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Offline Earl Keese

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Please tell me about roll sizing.
« on: April 29, 2020, 10:34:54 PM »
I see mention of this occasionally on BENOS. What are the benefits? At what volume does it become feasible? Is this mostly a thing for 9Major shooters?

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Re: Please tell me about roll sizing.
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2020, 07:51:31 AM »
The main benefit is that the Roll Sizer works along 100% of the case height, to remove bulges left by unsupported chambers, or case head expansion experienced by cartridges fired in "race guns".  These and other out-of-spec case abnormalities happen where traditional Sizing Dies simply can't reach due to the presence of a Shell Holder.

Typical case fired in an unsupported chamber...


The issue for the high volume reloader and handgun competitor has always been the ability to check each case before reloading. The problem being that the need to stop and clear a bad round during competition can be the difference between winning and loosing a match. Competitors on the leading edge go though mountains of ammo each month as they train and compete. Checking each individual round to insure that there are zero case defects would take an enormous effort.

During roll sizing, the cases are individually placed between 2 opposing steel blocks that are machined to precise tolerances. Typically the interior plate is rotating which makes the cartridge case roll between the 2 opposing blocks. The precision and strength of the steel blocks effectively removes all abnormalities in the same way that a "steam roller" flattens out new pavement.... except that God is holding the paving equipment stationary, while the Earth turns under it.

The down side is that the cases must be washed clean before going through the roller. Dirt brought into the case roller would definitely work to destroy the precision surfaces and clearance, just as it does with standard Sizing Dies. And then, the case must still go though the normal Sizing Die as the first step of reloading. And too, it only corrects the case. A shooter could still experience 1 or 2 bad bullets when buying 10 or 20,000. So it doesn't eliminate all cartridge inspection, just the most likely source of problems.

This site has a lot more info and videos...   https://www.rollsizer.com/

Hope this helps.
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Re: Please tell me about roll sizing.
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2020, 08:14:25 AM »
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Re: Please tell me about roll sizing.
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2020, 09:29:18 AM »
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Case rolling is nothing more than a new take on an old process called "metal spinning". Metals like copper, brass, and some soft aluminum alloys can be re-shaped by rotation, usually using a special lathe. This is how antenna reflectors and other round large diameter pots and pans are cheaply made without the requirement for expensive dies and huge hydraulic presses. The tip of the tool is typically a rolling bearing which leaves a tell-tale spiral groove reminiscent of an "LP record" on one side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqNRRqAjk6g

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Re: Please tell me about roll sizing.
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2020, 10:32:56 AM »
I don't know if there is a shooting volume criteria to owning one?  I'm considering one because I acquire most of my brass from major matches that I work. A lot of that brass is major 9mm.  I also get a fair share of out of spec 40 cases.

The only reason i don't own one is i am not shooting that much 9mm right now.  I have kept my brass segregated from the match pick ups.  But I'm running into a volume/ storage issue and it wouldn't be right to sell 9mm major once fired brass without ensuring it's back in spec first.

This would be a great shared purchase if you could get a couple shooting buddies to go in with.  It looks like you could setup and let it run.   A couple evenings a month should be all you need.

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Re: Please tell me about roll sizing.
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2020, 12:06:04 PM »
Thanks for the info Wobbly, that's exactly what I was looking for. Toby, I saw a guy on BENOS mention that he roll sizes as a service for local loaders/competitors.  I was thinking of doing something similar to offset cost.

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Re: Please tell me about roll sizing.
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2020, 03:53:11 PM »
It's not a new process at all. Apparently there have been roll sizers around for a long time, but they were so expensive only the pro reloading shops could afford one. This new smaller unit from Australia changed all that. And too, to swap calibers with this new unit you only need to change the central (rotating) portion, which makes caliber changes fast and relatively inexpensive.
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Re: Please tell me about roll sizing.
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2020, 05:18:11 PM »
It's not a new process at all. Apparently there have been roll sizers around for a long time, but they were so expensive only the pro reloading shops could afford one. This new smaller unit from Australia changed all that. And too, to swap calibers with this new unit you only need to change the central (rotating) portion, which makes caliber changes fast and relatively inexpensive.
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Re: Please tell me about roll sizing.
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2020, 05:41:23 PM »
I have a roll sizer setup for 9mm. It only sizes the case about an 1/8th of an inch above the extractor groove. You still have to use a regular sizing die after roll sizing which takes care of the rest. Also, the brass needs to be clean before roll sizing. Running a thousand cases takes about 20 minutes but it's possible to run them through at a much faster pace.

Unless you have brass that was fired in a loose and/or unsupported chamber you probably don't need one.

Mine was $700.00 but for me it was well worth it and all the 9mm I use gets roll sized.

I pickup about 1,000 pieces of range brass per week and when you get an oversized case coming through the resistance really goes up. Most cases I find have minimal resistance.

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Re: Please tell me about roll sizing.
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2020, 11:06:25 AM »
Good info and thanks for posting your experience.
Most of my pick up concern is stepped cases. I sized by hand on a 650 and can easily spot a Glock Bulge. I had only a couple in the last batch ~2k, but had about 20 stepped cases!
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