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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2020, 09:40:44 PM »
Looks like the smoke polymer 7.62x39 mags are back in stock at Czechpoint. Also, FAB Defense makes some polymer mags for the Vz58. Don’t know how good they are, though. Web search indicates they have some failures with vz2000s, but that doesn’t mean much.

I had heard to stay away from the FAB and Korean VZ.58 mags, but I don't know more than that

Yikes, a bit pricey on the polymer mags. was hoping more towards $15.... for that price I'll just get the military aluminum ones for $19.95
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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2020, 10:59:26 PM »
Korean mags are steel -- but pretty much just imported into Canada AFAIK.

Sounds like AK Files are talking out of their rears -- probably a little chafed still over AKOU's praise of the weapon.  Under standard use, I've not seen the issue of which they speak occur in any frequency to be concerning.  And I've seen several dozen well-used mags, most of which I sold.

CitizenPete did a write-up on the Fab mags here.  They're GTG except the rear locking tab is fragile under abuse as best as I can recall, but look that one up.  He might have even made a vid.

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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2020, 11:02:54 PM »
these?

didn't he give it a fail?

https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=80185.0

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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2020, 11:10:16 PM »
CitizenPete did a write-up on the Fab mags here.  They're GTG except the rear locking tab is fragile under abuse as best as I can recall, but look that one up.  He might have even made a vid.
RSR, thanks for the heads up on that post! Lord knows when all of my old surplus mags were made, but they keep on running great. Adding to something you said in a reply in Pete’s old post, there is definitely a noticeable difference in how much shorter distance I have to rock my VZ mags in versus my AK. Took me a little while to get over worrying about that. [emoji23]

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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2020, 11:18:48 PM »
these?

didn't he give it a fail?

https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=80185.0

That's the one.  Scanned the vid and yes, he gave them a "fail" as a fighting mag.

He had issues w/ the polymer locking tabs shearing and not being strong enough.  Otherwise, they appeared to have functioned fine, even when ran over w/ a car.

Ultimately, he compared them to TAPCO AK mags, which I use for range use and particularly like in their 20 round configuration.  Unfortunately, Freedom Group's failures resulted in shuttering TAPCO this year.

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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2020, 11:21:47 PM »
these?

didn't he give it a fail?

https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=80185.0

That's the one.  Scanned the vid and yes, he gave them a "fail" as a fighting mag.

He had issues w/ the polymer locking tabs shearing and not being strong enough.  Otherwise, they appeared to have functioned fine, even when ran over w/ a car.

Ultimately, he compared them to TAPCO AK mags, which I use for range use and particularly like in their 20 round configuration.  Unfortunately, Freedom Group's failures resulted in shuttering TAPCO this year.

got it. I get ya. I have my share of tapco ak mags too. I got em for under $5 each, so I stockpiled 50 of the slabsides ones. I'll never run out lol

as for the fab defense, I winced at the price for range mags. If they were tapco prices I'd get some for bleeps and giggles ,but when Numrich has NOS mil mags for $19.95, kind of a hard pill to swallow. 10 of those on the way, as well as the 2 that come with the gun should keep me busy for a while. I'll look out for deals as time goes on to build my "stockpile" (yay, more mags for my wife  to roll her eyes at when she sees the shipments come in :D )

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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2020, 11:34:16 PM »
So on mags -- I just want to reiterate how GOOD VZ58 mags actually are. 

Basically, they have the weight of AK bakelite mags as well as the strength of AK steel mags under most field use conditions (i.e., where you're not testing to failure limits).

Unlike steel, the VZ58 aluminum mags also have much less issues on the front of corrosion.

And one feature you'll see on the VZ58 OE mags is that they have a shelf at the top that interfaces with the receiver (preventing over-insertion including when under abuse) that OE AK mags and most aftermarket lack. 

Main thing to keep in mind is that the Soviets wanted the entire combloc to standardize on the AK -- the VZ58 would have only have been granted an exception if it met OR EXCEEDED the AK47 across all testing parameters. 

Also on FAB, I'm pretty sure they both weigh more (slightly) and cost more than surplus, as well as being less durable.  I think there's a place for them in low mag capacity states -- as mentioned in CP's post, I think the base plate allows for the use of FAB's AR mag coupler (believe it's for 3 mags), but they only make the 30 round mag version AFAIK. 
Offering in 10 and 20 rounds at same price point as current would be awesome.  And I most definitely think it would open up a market niche and demand that's not there for their current weapon -- reduced rounds = less weight, which means the polymer configuration should be less prone to shearing under most circumstances as well...

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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2020, 11:36:10 PM »
CitizenPete did a write-up on the Fab mags here.  They're GTG except the rear locking tab is fragile under abuse as best as I can recall, but look that one up.  He might have even made a vid.
RSR, thanks for the heads up on that post! Lord knows when all of my old surplus mags were made, but they keep on running great. Adding to something you said in a reply in Pete’s old post, there is definitely a noticeable difference in how much shorter distance I have to rock my VZ mags in versus my AK. Took me a little while to get over worrying about that. [emoji23]

Yes, and that's why the tactical mag releases are so much better than on an AK (running original Galil releases, etc, excluding Krebs spring-loaded option). 

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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2020, 11:48:16 PM »
got it. I get ya. I have my share of tapco ak mags too. I got em for under $5 each, so I stockpiled 50 of the slabsides ones. I'll never run out lol

as for the fab defense, I winced at the price for range mags. If they were tapco prices I'd get some for bleeps and giggles ,but when Numrich has NOS mil mags for $19.95, kind of a hard pill to swallow. 10 of those on the way, as well as the 2 that come with the gun should keep me busy for a while. I'll look out for deals as time goes on to build my "stockpile" (yay, more mags for my wife  to roll her eyes at when she sees the shipments come in :D )

I agree the price isn't equivalent to the utility.  That's why I don't own any.  I also don't particularly care for FAB's colors.  Green is a little too green, not OD, and Tan is a sand desert tan, not FDE.  Granted, I do have the FAB green grip on a VZ, but there aren't what most folks are used to who regularly see Magpul/equivalent color offerings.

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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2020, 11:50:22 PM »
got it. I get ya. I have my share of tapco ak mags too. I got em for under $5 each, so I stockpiled 50 of the slabsides ones. I'll never run out lol

as for the fab defense, I winced at the price for range mags. If they were tapco prices I'd get some for bleeps and giggles ,but when Numrich has NOS mil mags for $19.95, kind of a hard pill to swallow. 10 of those on the way, as well as the 2 that come with the gun should keep me busy for a while. I'll look out for deals as time goes on to build my "stockpile" (yay, more mags for my wife  to roll her eyes at when she sees the shipments come in :D )

I agree the price isn't equivalent to the utility.  That's why I don't own any.  I also don't particularly care for FAB's colors.  Green is a little too green, not OD, and Tan is a sand desert tan, not FDE.  Granted, I do have the FAB green grip on a VZ, but there aren't what most folks are used to who regularly see Magpul/equivalent color offerings.

Fab Defense's green is way more GREEN than the ODG we're all used to that's for sure. I've had some experience with their AK stuff so I've seen it up close. the green is way more like a brighter version of foliage rather than ODG

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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2020, 12:00:30 AM »
Fab Defense's green is way more GREEN than the ODG we're all used to that's for sure. I've had some experience with their AK stuff so I've seen it up close. the green is way more like a brighter version of foliage rather than ODG

I think I'd put it at roughly forest or camo green in the old woodland bdus (on a fresh print), whereas the OD green is more of a blend of the brown and green in that pattern plus a shade or two darker. 
Pick one green forever, I'd go w/ Ranger Green, which is more of a brown-green with a dash of gray or foliage. 
And actually, I used to be a foliage-hater, but now that the US Army has ditched the UCP pattern, I've actually softened on the color itself and wish it was more available.  Prefer a Wolf Gray to it in most instances, but Foliage is a heck of a lot better than Magpul's blue-gray Sniper Gray that's out of place anywhere that's not a police cruiser... 

FAB's tan isn't as light as the Magpul sand -- but it's probably just a shade or two darker, meaning still quite bright.

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New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2020, 08:59:34 AM »
I bought 2 Fab mags when they had a sale and also the Fab AFG. The mags sure look cool at the range, if nothing else. Also can practice reloads without unnecessarily scratching up the beautiful finish [emoji846]



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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2020, 08:29:42 PM »
Been tempted to try a Fab Def mag myself but not many places have em and I never seem to be able to ‘bundle’ one with an order. I’ve bought a lot of other Fab Def gear and always been happy. But the factory aluminum mags are solid, heavy & durable. $20 for a NOS or like new mag is a fair price these days.

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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2020, 10:41:24 PM »
holy bleep. I got mine in today from Atlantic. Rob wasn't lying. This thing is one of the best assembled combloc rifles I've ever seen. It has the smoothest action I've ever felt, and the trigger isn't bad. It's also the lightest bleep rifle I've ever held either, especially having gotten used to AK's and AR's for many years. It honestly just FEELS like quality when looking over the build. No machine and tooling marks. Siken smooth operation, and did I say light? The ONLY thing I can bitch about is that the pistol grip was made for Asians or something. It's just tiny in my bear paws. are there 2nd party grips that I can use that would be bigger? It's not a big deal, but I have large hands and it dwarfs the grip more than the AK popsicle stick

easily one of the best drunk purchases I ever made (ordered it last sunday, got it today). I also have a 10 pack of NOS military Czech mags too to supplement the two polymer mags it came with. I may actually grab another one if they come back in stock in the next 6 months.

(oh, small thing. I got the open front sight instead of the closed front sight like Rob did)

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Re: New CSA VZ 58
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2020, 07:00:51 PM »
For 922r -- only option other than Czechpoint is Ronin grips AFAIK.  I installed a hogue grip sleeve on my ronin (galil option) -- they're (ronin) a bit slippery.

He can do colors too as custom orders.
https://shop.roninsgrips.com/Czech-vz58-Long-Grip-Black-with-Screw-Czech-vz58-Long.htm
https://shop.roninsgrips.com/Czech-vz58-Israeli-Galil-Ultra-Style-Black-with-Screw-Czech-vz58-Israeli.htm
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