Author Topic: "What does breaking the 180 mean?" or: how to get DQ'ed from a handgun match  (Read 506 times)

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Offline 1KPerDay

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Thought this might be useful for new shooters or those who haven't shot in this type of "practical" competition before. My son and I shot a local match last weekend and it was his first.

We had drilled the range commands previously, and practiced shooting and moving to different positions safely, and emphasized finger well outside the trigger guard and muzzle well downrange during movement.

The first two stages he shot well and moved safely and carefully, but on the third there was a bit of a challenge with the 180 due to a barrier on the left and a required position forward of the position to the left and rearward of the barrier.

As he moved back/left, he kept both hands on his pistol and the muzzle moved past the 180-degree line that is generally considered safe (unless the stage briefing specifically dictates otherwise and there are markers to indicate muzzle safe points).

The SO was behind him and didn't see the violation, but I did, and since it was something we'd specifically gone over during the walkthrough (and because he did indeed break the 180), I chose to have him DQed for the match. He took it well, and I hope he learned.

It's difficult to understand what it's like when the beeper/timer goes off in a match unless you've done it. Your IQ drops by 50 points when the adrenaline hits.

Anyway, here's a video for any interested.


Offline George16

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Yup, it’s a 180* violation. This is the reason why I hold my gun with my strong hand when moving up and down the range.

However, you can’t technically have him DQ’ed because you’re not the RO/SO. The peanut gallery can influence his decision and video/audio are not allowed for use in challenging calls by the RO.

I had my share of DQs when I was starting. 180*. Violation, putting one over the berm etc.

Is this an outlaw or sanctioned USPSA match?

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USSL, but very small local match so we were all helping SO and taking turns.

Offline recoilguy

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In USPSA the gallery can not coach.
The RO should have seen that it was clearly a violation.
safety is always the first and most important factor in competitions.

Looks like he didn't take it too hard. thats a good kid.

RCG
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Offline 1KPerDay

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In USPSA the gallery can not coach.
The RO should have seen that it was clearly a violation.
safety is always the first and most important factor in competitions.

Looks like he didn't take it too hard. thats a good kid.

RCG
Yeah, coaching is not allowed in USSL either. For new shooters everyone kind of relaxes on that rule.

Offline recoilguy

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Same at our USPSA club....new shooters are the life line.
I wasn't trying to be a jerk just not familiar with USSL rules.

Getting your son into shooting is a great thing.

RCG
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Offline 2morechains

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There are 2 types of people.  1) Those that have been DQ’d, and 2) Those that will. 

I’m a member of the first tribe. 

Offline Earl Keese

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Seems like the RO didn't have a chance to DQ since dad was running things.

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The RO was asleep at the wheel and wouldn’t have DQed him. It was important for me to have my son learn from his mistake. If you disagree that’s fine.

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At our club at the range safety briefing we specifically call out that if anyone see's anything unsafe we can call out STOP!  180 rule, squib, unsafe gun handling, etc... 

Most local club matches don't have the staff/RO's to put two per squad/stage.   Stuff gets missed as a result.  We try to keep it safe.

Cheers,
Toby



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Same at ours. Anyone can call safety issue