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Offline mullenba

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CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« on: August 19, 2020, 08:18:02 PM »
I'm looking at buying a CZ 40P, but would like to possibly chamber it for a different caliber.  I've found a bunch of posts talking about people trying to get new barrels for their 40B/P and the conclusion seems to be that there are none.  Looking at Numrich's parts listings and images, it really seems that the 40B barrel is very similar to my P01 or the SP-01, with an extremely similar lug design.  It (visually) appears that you would only have to turn the barrel down in a lathe to remove the top locking ribs and it could fit...

Is anyone able to compare the two barrels, or am I totally wrong?

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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2020, 09:06:37 PM »
All that time/work/money into a 40P is a waste. There are a few here that own them and like them, but. . .it was just a way for  CZ to use up left over slides from the failed Colt joint venture.

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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2020, 11:17:26 PM »
All that time/work/money into a 40P is a waste. There are a few here that own them and like them, but. . .it was just a way for  CZ to use up left over slides from the failed Colt joint venture.

I'm not totally disagreeing, but I have a P01 and it feels fantastic to shoot.  I like the idea of the same frame in .40.

If I want a .40 CZ, the only real options (to me) are the SP-01 tactical (discontinued) or the 40P (also discontinued).  Given how hard it is to find either one, I'm thinking I can't necessarily be too choosy.

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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2020, 06:38:42 AM »
All that time/work/money into a 40P is a waste. There are a few here that own them and like them, but. . .it was just a way for  CZ to use up left over slides from the failed Colt joint venture.

I'm not totally disagreeing, but I have a P01 and it feels fantastic to shoot.  I like the idea of the same frame in .40.

If I want a .40 CZ, the only real options (to me) are the SP-01 tactical (discontinued) or the 40P (also discontinued).  Given how hard it is to find either one, I'm thinking I can't necessarily be too choosy.
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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2020, 11:32:16 AM »
What caliber are you looking to re-chamber to?
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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2020, 11:38:00 AM »
What caliber are you looking to re-chamber to?

I reload, and I'm a true masochist, so I would like to re-chamber to .357 Sig.  If I get a .40 pistol with an available 9mm barrel, it should be a pretty easy conversion.

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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2020, 03:34:31 AM »
I think the SP-01 is the only one (that comes in 40) with a bull barrel so the 9mm and 40 cal are the same diameter.  It would be the easiest to do the sig conversion on.

The 40B/P barrel lock up is completely different than the P-01/75 series.  The P-06 is a 40 cal P-01 but I'm not sure the barrel diameter is the same between the two.  You would have to have purchase a shadow barrel and cut it down to fit.  Barstow or CZCustom should be able to make that happen easily.

Good luck!

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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2020, 10:51:18 AM »
Numrich - new barrel $169.50
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/645940

this site - everything except frame of a CZ 40B - wasn't the 40P left over top ends of the 40B...
https://everygunpart.com/handgun-kits/cz-cz-40b-semi-auto-blued.htm
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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2020, 11:04:54 AM »
Numrich - new barrel $169.50
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/645940

this site - everything except frame of a CZ 40B - wasn't the 40P left over top ends of the 40B...
https://everygunpart.com/handgun-kits/cz-cz-40b-semi-auto-blued.htm

At least some of the 40P pistols used leftovers from the Colt Z40. Mine has a milled recess on the left side of the slide where the Colt markings were removed.
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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2020, 11:11:50 AM »
Numrich - new barrel $169.50
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/645940

this site - everything except frame of a CZ 40B - wasn't the 40P left over top ends of the 40B...
https://everygunpart.com/handgun-kits/cz-cz-40b-semi-auto-blued.htm

At least some of the 40P pistols used leftovers from the Colt Z40. Mine has a milled recess on the left side of the slide where the Colt markings were removed.

That's pretty cool really - if you think about it...they 'should' of used them up on the 40Bs.... I own 2 x 40Bs and both of mine do NOT have the milled recess.
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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2020, 07:24:51 PM »
Numrich - new barrel $169.50
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/645940

this site - everything except frame of a CZ 40B - wasn't the 40P left over top ends of the 40B...
https://everygunpart.com/handgun-kits/cz-cz-40b-semi-auto-blued.htm

At least some of the 40P pistols used leftovers from the Colt Z40. Mine has a milled recess on the left side of the slide where the Colt markings were removed.

That's pretty cool really - if you think about it...they 'should' of used them up on the 40Bs.... I own 2 x 40Bs and both of mine do NOT have the milled recess.

my 40B doesn't have the de-Colted slide either. They must have found a crate of them in a warehouse and decided to make the 40P (using P-06 frames) to use them up.
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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2020, 07:59:27 PM »
Numrich - new barrel $169.50
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/645940

this site - everything except frame of a CZ 40B - wasn't the 40P left over top ends of the 40B...
https://everygunpart.com/handgun-kits/cz-cz-40b-semi-auto-blued.htm

At least some of the 40P pistols used leftovers from the Colt Z40. Mine has a milled recess on the left side of the slide where the Colt markings were removed.

That's pretty cool really - if you think about it...they 'should' of used them up on the 40Bs.... I own 2 x 40Bs and both of mine do NOT have the milled recess.

my 40B doesn't have the de-Colted slide either. They must have found a crate of them in a warehouse and decided to make the 40P (using P-06 frames) to use them up.

I don't have a 40p yet but when I do try to look for one I'm going to try to find one with milled recess so I can add that to the collection to be kind of fun to have.  I still want a Colt z40 in the stable also but you know that'll be a while those prices man and they're not up for sale all the time I like to be lucky and come across things locally
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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2020, 09:57:28 PM »
I don't have a 40p yet but when I do try to look for one I'm going to try to find one with milled recess so I can add that to the collection to be kind of fun to have.  I still want a Colt z40 in the stable also but you know that'll be a while those prices man and they're not up for sale all the time I like to be lucky and come across things locally

I'm hoping one day to find a Colt Z40 for sale in a shop that has no idea what it really is (e.g. someplace like Gander).

Just like the new, technical, "official" term for the P-10c trigger safety is the "dingus", there needs to be a standard term for any CZ 40 (B or P) that had the Colt logo milled off.

De-Colted?
Un-horsed?

any other ideas?
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Re: CZ 40P Barrels / beating a dead horse
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2020, 10:12:55 AM »
I don't have a 40p yet but when I do try to look for one I'm going to try to find one with milled recess so I can add that to the collection to be kind of fun to have.  I still want a Colt z40 in the stable also but you know that'll be a while those prices man and they're not up for sale all the time I like to be lucky and come across things locally

I'm hoping one day to find a Colt Z40 for sale in a shop that has no idea what it really is (e.g. someplace like Gander).

Just like the new, technical, "official" term for the P-10c trigger safety is the "dingus", there needs to be a standard term for any CZ 40 (B or P) that had the Colt logo milled off.

De-Colted?
Un-horsed?

any other ideas?

So here I was trying to come up with a funny name for the milled out logo and learned a thing or two in the process...I vote one for De-Colted or maybe I throw out Ponyless

I went to see if the Colt Horse had a name and came across some interesting History behind the Colt logo:

http://www.coltfever.com/The_Colt_Emblem.html
The Colt company emblem is a modification of the Colt family coat of arms dating back to medieval England.
In ancient heraldry a horse is a symbol of loyalty and service to a monarch.  A broken spear or lance symbolizes a fallen knight.
The famous Rampant Colt Pony is taken from the coat of arms, and pictures a horse defending it's fallen knight by breaking a lance in half, one half over it's legs and the other in it's mouth.
This is an ancient symbol of loyalty.
The Colt Pony logo is stamped on almost all Colt firearms.
Over the years the Pony has maintained it's form, but has changed from skinny to heavier ponies and back again.
also

and also from a 1911 forum:
https://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49752
"In the days before firearms, when the crusaders went into battle on horseback and armed with spears--one very intelligent horse, seeing that his rider was about to be pierced by the enemy's spear--reared on his hind legs, grasped the spear in his mouth, struck out with one hoof and broke the spear: This is embelmatic of the Colt--always coming to the defense of the master." from the Archives of the Connecticut State Library--Author Unknown.
Doug Sheldon's book--Colt's Super .38, The Production History-From 1929 Through 1971 documents the design variations of the Colt logo that were used from the 1890's through the 1960's.
The story dates back further. The Colt pony is based on the legend of Alexander the Great's horse Bucephalus, or Bucephalas. Legend says that once in battle a warrior struck out at Alexander with a spear, Bucephalus grabbed the spear in his mouth and broke it between his hoofs saving Alexanders life. The bond between them was strong. Bucephalus was also credited with pulling spears out of his own body and breaking them in battle. With this horse all the great legends of horses fighting and dying to protect their riders begins.
When Bucephalus died Alexander erected a city in his honor; Bucephala on the west bank of the Hydaspes River in modern Pakistan.
When the Pony first went up in Connecticut most folks knew of this legend so the pony with the spears in his mouth made sense. Like Samson and his haircut, the sword in the stone, the search for the Holy Grail, etc. folks knew the reference and got it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucephalus
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