New P-09

[dehughes]

Hi all,

Just picked up a P-09 yesterday and I think it'll be a good fit for me.  Oddly enough, the DA pull is really smooth though it gets pretty heavy at the end before the break, yet the SA has a hitch or two before it breaks though it does so at a nice light weight.  Usually with a DA/SA pistol I have more gripes with the DA pull, so this one is opposite.

Anyway, I'm open to recommendations as to any improvements you all may suggest.  I'll likely replace the front sight with a fiber optic as I did that on my P10F and like it, but other than that the only thing I'd rather do outright (vs. letting things sort themselves out via breaking in) is reduce the DA pull weight.  Figure I'll let the SA break settle in on it's own as it really isn't that much of an issue for me. 

I wager a CGW spring kit is a good idea?  Lemme know what you all suggest.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

 The CGW prograde kit is the only way to fly. These guns wear in some but the SA will NEVER be what it can be once the CGW hammer is installed. Anyone who has never experienced a CZ with a full CGW kit is missing out on a great experience.

[Tok36]

   The DA stacking can be minimized. The Trigger Return Spring and Hammer Spring will have the greatest effect on the DA. Other springs can contribute to a lesser extent. Polishing/Flattening the Trigger Bar as mentioned in the guide below can also contribute. The "hitch or two" that you mention about the SA is in part a product of the action design. Through break in and some tuning this can be made less apparent, especially when the psitol is run at speed and you are not concentrating on it.

   This thread is worth a read, it outlines the major areas for improvement in the CZ P Series pistols. Let it be know that Each CZ can be unique from the next. Each CZ can require attention in different places, figuring out the nature or your example is the fun part.

How to Tune, Smooth and Upgrade the P-07/P-09
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=66147.0

Gratz on you new CZ P-09.

[Porcupine]

Before you do anything-clean it THOROUGHLY, and shoot it ALOT.

I used to recommend several cleanings and at least 500 rounds to a case of ammo. Cleanings is still readily available, but ammo is getting a bit more dear.

Cleaning and use usually improve them significantly.

[radagast]

Welcome to the polymer end of the CZ spectrum !
     While renting and choosing, I grouped better with the P09, but chose the P07 out of comfort. The balance point was a bit more comfortable on my nerve damaged hand. Ordered up a P07, and almost left it at the FFL for return. It did break in some after 500 rounds, but wasn't much fun to shoot until a thorough polishing and another 500 rounds.
      I'm very grateful for this forum, and all the help and encouragement I've found here. Now I've got a pistol that's a pleasure to take to the range, even though it started out feeling like someone lubed it with rice krispies and sand mixed in drain oil ! (after a good cleaning I might add) 
      Although there are countless endorsements of CGW and CZ Custom here, my limited resources begged a more frugal approach to a solution;
and I followed instructions in the videos the forum directed me to.
       As long as I remain in NJ, it's not likely to be carried, and is fine for Home defense and range use as is . If we move, I may elect to have the pros give a good makeover though.
       After a year of shooting my P07, my wife saw one in ODG and decided she'd be happy with her own. I figured a green one would make an appropriate Christmas gift, so we have a pair now. Her 07 however has a trigger that's as sweet as I'd like mine to turn out. Mine still has a tiny bump just before the break in SA that drives her crazy, but I've become accustomed to. Actually I like both 07s better than our daughter's
 P229 Sig.
       

[Winkel]

On the frugal side, do all the requisite polishing.  My recommendation would be to install the extended firing pin kit which includes a couple of reduced power hammer springs.  This will make a difference in the DA pull.
I've never gone full Cajun because I didn't want to drop that much $ on one, but as everyone says, it's supposed to make a world of difference.
I've also polished my firing pin safety plunger and installed the reduced weight spring for that plunger. 

[Fuzzy Sights]

For those on a tight budget I would purchase a good set of snap caps and DA dry fire the pistol a few hundred times without cleaning.  Then do thorough clean.  You will be amazed how much the trigger will improve and it only cost is the snap caps.

Good luck on your project.  May it serve you well.

JW

[dehughes]

Thanks all.  I ordered a fiber optic front sight and a bunch of CGW parts, so I'll give those a whirl and see what they do.  Didn't order a replacement hammer, though.  Trying to keep this inexpensive yet do things right.  I'll work with it a bunch after I install the parts en route and see if it needs anything further.

I need to get more snap caps too.  Thanks for the reminder.

[Claymore504]

It sounds like you got a pretty good trigger out of the box. I have two P09s like that. So, with that I would just go with a CGW lighter hammer spring, extended firing pin w/spring, trigger return spring and shoot it and let it smooth out. I did just those mods to two P09s and a P07 and the triggers are excellent. I have another P09 that has taken more work, but the stock trigger pull was not good at all. Also, foolw the how to tune your P07/P09 thread on here.

Another source for info in on Pistol Forum by a member called Clusterfrack. He is a strong fan of the P07, so his advice would cary over to the P09.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?31326-Suggestions-for-replacement-carry-piece&p=744301&viewfull=1#post744301

[Winkel]

On the frugal side, do all the requisite polishing.  My recommendation would be to install the extended firing pin kit which includes a couple of reduced power hammer springs.  This will make a difference in the DA pull.
I've never gone full Cajun because I didn't want to drop that much $ on one, but as everyone says, it's supposed to make a world of difference.
I've also polished my firing pin safety plunger and installed the reduced weight spring for that plunger.

Also, check your hammer strut while you have it apart.  On mine, the edges were pretty rough.  Smooth those down while you have it apart. 

[dehughes]

Will do...thanks for all the resources.

I put 50 rounds of 115gr Federal 9mm through it tonight and it shoots pretty well.  Sights appear to be right on, so it's just me needing to get used to the trigger.  The SA pull/break already seems better, which is odd.  Doesn't seem nearly as hitch-y as it was before the 50 rounds.  Gotta get used to being able to grip up higher on the frame, even over my P10F which shoots flat and has a nice, low bore axis.  Pistol feeds rounds really well...better by far than my P10F which had to be sent back to CZ for warranty tweaking due to repeated FTF issues.  I did leave the P-09s slide locked back and the mags fully loaded for a day or two, though, which I didn't do with my P10F so perhaps that helped.

So far, so good.

[M1A4ME]

The Omega guns seem to be anywhere from great to "O boy, does this thing need some work."  Either that or different owners just feel differently about them.

My first one was and still is awesome with nothing done to it other than replacement of the trigger return spring and firing pin block spring with the reduced power CGW parts.  From the box it was around 3&1/4 lbs. SA and 8&1/2 lbs. DA.

The next two were not quite at that level.  Just a tad heavier (1/4 lb. or so) and not as crisp.  Nothing done to them except spring changes, too.  Oh, I did attempt to smooth out the P09 9MM trigger just a bit to make it more like the P07 .40 that was my first one.

However, the last Omega, a P07 9MM did get a CZ Custom hammer in addition to the CGW trigger return spring and firing pin block spring.  Nicer trigger pull for sure, but not better than my P07 .40 or P09 9MM.

They vary, gun to gun.  The opinion varies, owner to owner.

Shoot it, or work on it, till you're happy with it and can shoot it the way you want.

[Porcupine]

For those on a tight budget I would purchase a good set of snap caps and DA dry fire the pistol a few hundred times without cleaning.  Then do thorough clean.  You will be amazed how much the trigger will improve and it only cost is the snap caps.

Good luck on your project.  May it serve you well.

JW

Good advice above.

I’ll add if you can find and afford a Kadet kit you should definitely consider it as it’ll provide a much less expensive opportunity to practice while running enough rounds through to improve the action.

[briang2ad]

Snap caps run out fast.  Use an Oring.  I think it is #78 but could be wrong. 

If you have stacking dry firing won't make it go away.  Learning to strip the Omega trigger group is simple and polishing is cheap.  Stacking can be a problem that needs some advanced work, so shoot the snot out of it also.  Ooops - no one can afford to shoot anymore.