Why I've chosen Staccato R over DWX

[jurek]

Why? The answer is simple. Because there is no DWX.. and who knows when it's gonna be available. My patience died last week...

I love CZs, especially the grip, ambi controls.. but there was always something missing for me.. the real touch of 1911. When I saw DWX for a first time (I think it was end of 2019) I knew the same moment that it was my "perfect" pistol, something I was waiting for a long time...  1911 with full ambi controls and even better grip and no grip safety 
Then 2020 came... then 2021 came... then my decision came.... 
I wanted 1911 style with really tight barrel lockup, something I will really enjoy shooting for a longer distance (ok - longer distance in my case is 45 - 75 feet.... I am a defensive shooter).
If I couldn't have DWX - 1911 style but not really 1911 pistol... I've decided to have 1911 style, not really 1911 but 2011 single stack pistol - Staccato R.

So was it right decision? YES, definitely was. From shooting perspective Staccato R is on the top of the nicest, easiest and most accurate shooters. That is something I can compare to CZ TSO. What I need is aim, press the trigger and "voila!" - dead center.
Unfortunately there are few disadvantages (perhaps only for me) :
- grip is amazing - typical 2011 polymer grip, but in single stack. Unfortunately front strap has very, very, very... and one more very aggressive texture. I couldn't stand it for longer than 50 rounds during first shooting. It ended up with sanding, almost to flat. Now I can say the grip is PERFECT !
- no ambi mag release. But I can live with that. I get used to it with other 1911s. However DWX would win on this field.

Few comparisons to DWX:
- Length -> 1/4" longer / bigger
- Width -> 1/32" slimmer... so no difference here
- Height -> 1/2" shorter (but they are the same when magazine is loaded. Staccato's mag sticks out from the grip about half inch)
- Weight -> 8 oz lighter (polymer grip )
- sights -> the same
- trigger pull -> seems to be the same, based on DWX videos watched
- trigger -> take-up almost not existing.... reset extremely short
- Staccato R comes with bushing

So far I put around 1,000 rounds in 3 days...and never had been happier with MY handgun 

[Underwhere]

Thoughts on the Staccato being meant for duty use vs something like the DWX for competition use?

When I played with a Staccato that's the feeling I got. Nice, robust gun meant for duty, not something finely tuned.

Can you give your impressions on that area? I have never shot it so am ignorant of real life performance.

I wonder how it compares to something like an STI DVC or maybe some of the Atlas guns.

[Earl Keese]

Congrats! Did you get the 9 or 45? I've only fired 2 2011 type guns- a Brazos tuned .40 and a CWA .22LR. Both were spectacular.
CZ-USA really laid an egg by going silent on the DWX. Sadly, I think they've thrown away a great deal of goodwill and customer loyalty by handling it this way. Like you, I saw the DWX as the ideal platform.

[jurek]

I've got 9 mm. That's my favourite caliber.

I'm not sure if I should blame CZ that I didn't wait for DWX, or thanks them that I bought Staccato. 

Anyway, the move towards Staccato R was thoughtful. I shot whole STI line during their "demo day" in 2019. That time I wasn't sure about them. I drove 2 hr to that range. And that night, when I drove back home, I knew I would have one of them.

As you know STI changed to Staccato and handguns changed a little bit as well.
I was looking for 5" barrel, so my options were limited to "R" and "XL". "XC" was out of my budget.
I wasn't prepared to spend more than $2K...so the choice was obvious.

Staccato R can be compared to C and P. These are mostly known. XL is the same with double stack grip, as all of 2011 should be.
This one cannot be compared to old STI DVC line. It's not competition pistol...  but the way it operates is closer to be competition than duty pistol.
I don't even think it needs any tuning or adjustment. It is perfect for the job it was created for.

As I mentioned before, I'm a defensive shooter, the only competition for me are range shooting based on IDPA matches. And for these my M&P 9 4.25" was enough.
Now with Staccato R I feel I'm equipped with few steps above... Still not the top...but I don't feel any needs for better handgun anymore.

[Underwhere]

The staccato -
I have fairly small hands and the Staccato P seemed to fit ok.
After holding it for a while I realized that the beavertail was too square and/or not rounded upwards enough for me on the sides. I could feel it digging into the web of my hand.
The grip is also slightly too wide for me...but it's a 2011 so I'm not sure how you solve that.

Perhaps some sort of grip reduction would work for me.

[jurek]

The staccato -
I have fairly small hands and the Staccato P seemed to fit ok.
After holding it for a while I realized that the beavertail was too square and/or not rounded upwards enough for me on the sides. I could feel it digging into the web of my hand.
The grip is also slightly too wide for me...but it's a 2011 so I'm not sure how you solve that.

Perhaps some sort of grip reduction would work for me.

Beavertail is OK, perhaps they improved it comparing to previous STI models. However grip safety pinches a little (I do not have this on other 1911s). The biggest improvement is a new grip. These are completely redesigned vs old STIs. I'd even say the new 2011 grip will fit you perfectly now. At least this is what I felt checking new Staccato P.

Latest update after another 1,000 rds:
- magazines suck... these are not bad, but for the price I'd expect a better product. Anyway, what I've found is that after loading 3 - 4 rds every next loaded round keeps the nose downward. I got used to tap every loaded mag from the back, so eventually the rounds became arranged correctly, but few times I got Failure To Feed when I forgot to do this.
I hope everything become smoother after next couple thousand rounds.
- overall speaking - the gun is amazing. With simple grip adjustment it shoots almost by itself  . First time in my life I was able to make "smiley face" at the silhouette target from 15 feet 

[Underwhere]

The staccato -
I have fairly small hands and the Staccato P seemed to fit ok.
After holding it for a while I realized that the beavertail was too square and/or not rounded upwards enough for me on the sides. I could feel it digging into the web of my hand.
The grip is also slightly too wide for me...but it's a 2011 so I'm not sure how you solve that.

Perhaps some sort of grip reduction would work for me.

Beavertail is OK, perhaps they improved it comparing to previous STI models. However grip safety pinches a little (I do not have this on other 1911s). The biggest improvement is a new grip. These are completely redesigned vs old STIs. I'd even say the new 2011 grip will fit you perfectly now. At least this is what I felt checking new Staccato P.

Latest update after another 1,000 rds:
- magazines suck... these are not bad, but for the price I'd expect a better product. Anyway, what I've found is that after loading 3 - 4 rds every next loaded round keeps the nose downward. I got used to tap every loaded mag from the back, so eventually the rounds became arranged correctly, but few times I got Failure To Feed when I forgot to do this.
I hope everything become smoother after next couple thousand rounds.
- overall speaking - the gun is amazing. With simple grip adjustment it shoots almost by itself  . First time in my life I was able to make "smiley face" at the silhouette target from 15 feet 

I guess my hands are freakishly small.

I was holding a January manufacture Staccato.

The grip is too thick for me and the beavertail rubs.

I'm probably among the few with this problem.

[jurek]

I guess my hands are freakishly small.
I was holding a January manufacture Staccato.
The grip is too thick for me and the beavertail rubs.
I'm probably among the few with this problem.

The regular 2011 grip seems to be OK for me... but single stack fits better, especially for one hand shooting. That was a second reason I chose R model. (first was 5" barrel for almost half price of XL model)

[Earl Keese]

For 2 grand, you'd think they would include properly sorted mags. It isn't as if there aren't good single stack mags available. Are the Staccato mags proprietary? This is the kind of thing that damaged  STI's reputation to begin with. Wasn't Dave Dawson supposed to have come back and straightened things out?

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Congrats! Did you get the 9 or 45? I've only fired 2 2011 type guns- a Brazos tuned .40 and a CWA .22LR. Both were spectacular.
CZ-USA really laid an egg by going silent on the DWX. Sadly, I think they've thrown away a great deal of goodwill and customer loyalty by handling it this way. Like you, I saw the DWX as the ideal platform.

I emailed DW 2 weeks ago hoping for some clarification but got no response at all. I rate my CZ's above ANYTHING else but they need to get their act together or risk loosing alot of business. I really had no interest in the DWX and there's nothing on the horizon I really want but there are many people out there buying guns and looking for the next new thing so to tease the community with the premise of a new piece of gun tech in the DWX and then let it evaporate was poorly thought out on their part.
To be fair the plandemic monkey wrenched many things for everyone just as was intended but they need to provide clarification here.

[jurek]

For 2 grand, you'd think they would include properly sorted mags. It isn't as if there aren't good single stack mags available. Are the Staccato mags proprietary? This is the kind of thing that damaged  STI's reputation to begin with. Wasn't Dave Dawson supposed to have come back and straightened things out?

That is what I've expected. I shot Staccato P in 2019 few times and the mags worked fine. I was sure it'd be the case with model R. I didn't check original 1911 mags yet... I'm gonna give Staccato's mags a chance. I see one mag works better now, I'm guessing this is one I've been shooting the most.
Actually this pistol is the very first for me with such precise manufacturing 
I'll keep you posted guys.. hopefully DWX shows on the shelves soon, so no more "Staccato discussion" will be needed 

[jurek]

I emailed DW 2 weeks ago hoping for some clarification but got no response at all. I rate my CZ's above ANYTHING else but they need to get their act together or risk loosing alot of business. I really had no interest in the DWX and there's nothing on the horizon I really want but there are many people out there buying guns and looking for the next new thing so to tease the community with the premise of a new piece of gun tech in the DWX and then let it evaporate was poorly thought out on their part.
To be fair the plandemic monkey wrenched many things for everyone just as was intended but they need to provide clarification here.

That might be my guess only... but I suspect DW has so many orders waiting for this model and just doesn't care when the production starts.
Having enough money to survive the pandemic and having millions $$$ in orders... what would you do? Definitely be patient, don't waste time and money to move the machinery to different State... eventually those millions come... 

[Underwhere]

The DWX is reminiscent of the Desert Tech MDR from a few years ago.

From Shot Show debut, it was several years before they could get them out the door.
I think there are even people from a group-buy in 2018 that still have not received their rifles.

[Earl Keese]

The DWX is reminiscent of the Desert Tech MDR from a few years ago.

From Shot Show debut, it was several years before they could get them out the door.
I think there are even people from a group-buy in 2018 that still have not received their rifles.

Lol, it might as well be a Bren10. There's no good reason to not update customers for this period of time.

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[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I emailed DW 2 weeks ago hoping for some clarification but got no response at all. I rate my CZ's above ANYTHING else but they need to get their act together or risk loosing alot of business. I really had no interest in the DWX and there's nothing on the horizon I really want but there are many people out there buying guns and looking for the next new thing so to tease the community with the premise of a new piece of gun tech in the DWX and then let it evaporate was poorly thought out on their part.
To be fair the plandemic monkey wrenched many things for everyone just as was intended but they need to provide clarification here.

That might be my guess only... but I suspect DW has so many orders waiting for this model and just doesn't care when the production starts.
Having enough money to survive the pandemic and having millions $$$ in orders... what would you do? Definitely be patient, don't waste time and money to move the machinery to different State... eventually those millions come... 

I doubt that they will have many orders left at all by the time they get going if they get going. I talked to the owner of the local range I shoot at today who tends to be one of the guys in the know and he said they are not getting normal production out the door at this point and even regular production CZ's are going to be unicorns going forward. But like Earl said above there's no good reason not to update people at this point.