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Offline namvet68/69

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Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« on: February 07, 2021, 06:57:43 PM »
Just lucked into 2lbs of Unique powder, any loading suggestions for 115 gr LRN coated DGBullets? Found some data that said 4.5 to 5.5 grs of Unique would be fine. Using this ammo in my CZ P-07, any ideas out guys & Wobbley also?? I usually use TiteGroup or CFE Pistol with these bullets with no leading.

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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2021, 07:15:55 PM »
A few decades ago, I ran 4.7 grains of Unique with 124 grain LRN Bullets out of my old Pre-B Cz75 without issue.  That was when I was shooting at an old indoor range with a questionable backstop and ventilation. They had a 1000 fps velocity limit.  These days, I would probably run about 5.0 grains, but as recommended, start low and work up.
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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2021, 05:43:23 AM »
Depends how deep you have to put that bullet in the case.  Some FMJ/plated 9mm rounds I can run really long while my Lee 125gr fatty needs to be loaded @ 1.075 in order to function in all my guns.  With BEye that means a normal 4.0 charge needs to go down to ~3.6.   With that said what’s your depth going to look like?

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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2021, 07:21:02 AM »
Just got done using up a couple of pounds of old Unique powder I had on the shelf. I loaded 5.7gr for 115gr copper plated RN. OAL = 1.155. Worked great in all my guns of various brands and type. But it is a dirty powder.

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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2021, 08:57:56 AM »
Unique is a intriguing powder. It has been on the market for something like 120 years, so you'll see recipes for it everywhere. It is possibly the least dense ("fluffy") powder, until you get to Cowboy Action powders, like Trail Boss. So it's main job these days is filling large revolver cases. In smaller auto pistol cases "case fill" will be between "excellent" and "too good". Do not worry about compressed loads. Almost every load with Unique is compressed in some way. It's a very docile powder with a wide load range. Modern powders have largely displaced its use, mainly because they all took aim at replacing it. This is because Bullseye and Unique probably owned 70% of the handgun powder market in the 1970's and 1980's.

Unique has 2 issues in 9mm...
• It is known to "bridge" in some powder measures due to its coarse, crystalline structure. So watch your case fill levels closely. Even then you may have slight powder variations which may lead to less than optimal accuracy. I would also expect higher SD numbers for the same reason.

• It's burn rate is right on the cusp of being too slow for 9mm. (It IS too slow for blowback guns like 32ACP and 380Auto.) So it's only going to burn correctly in cartridges constructed for the higher end of the range. If you build low power "plinking" ammo with it, then expect a lot of black soot, which is the natural consequence of inefficient and incomplete ignition.


So as a 21st century shooter, you've been exposed to many of the newer handgun powders. Since all of the newer powders you have ever tried are in direct competition with Unique, I would tell you not to set your expectation levels too high. Remember, all these other powders have packed in 100 years of improvements that Unique simply doesn't have. As long as you can put up with "respectable" performance and a little gun cleaning you'll be very happy.

Every craft beer drinker keeps a 6-pack of Miller Lite in the back of the frig just in case the crazy next door neighbor or the ding-a-ling brother-in-law drops in to "bum a beer". Everyone has it. It's a standard. It's simply ubiquitous. Unique is just the Miller Lite of the powder industry !

The only difference is that Miller Lite is 'less filling'.  ;D

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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2021, 03:32:41 PM »
Thanks for the info....so what about my charge weights of 4.5 grs to 5.5grs as starting loads? Would 5.0 grs be a load that's not "dirty" & still function well in my P-07? My usual COL is 1.09, I would load 100 rnds, 20 each of 3 different powder weights, and test for function & accuracy, what ya think?

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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2021, 03:45:44 PM »
Find published data and start at the minimum starting load for a cast lead rn bullet and work your way up from there not exceeding max load. I used Unique in My early 9mm days along with Herco and had good results but I started at the low end with both.
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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2021, 01:41:41 PM »
Wobbly,  love the comparison AND still loading with Unique.  Too much left to switch now.  Think I have noticed the newer cans seem to be shooting less dirty than the older cans.
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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2021, 02:49:21 PM »
Thanks for the info....so what about my charge weights of 4.5 grs to 5.5grs as starting loads?


No data for lead bullets here. Sorry.
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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2021, 04:27:04 PM »
Thanks for the info....so what about my charge weights of 4.5 grs to 5.5grs as starting loads? Would 5.0 grs be a load that's not "dirty" & still function well in my P-07? My usual COL is 1.09, I would load 100 rnds, 20 each of 3 different powder weights, and test for function & accuracy, what ya think?
I looked up the spec in the book I was using years ago and they list a charge weight starting at 4.5 and a max at 5.7 with a 115 cast Lyman bullet. Unless you have a chrono to check exact velocities I would try to hang around the lower end if they run reliably and accurately. They show a velocity of a little over 1200 fps on the high end and that's pushing the envelope for a cast slug. I'm not going to list the recipe I was using at the time and it was dialed in for the 3rd gen S&W's I was shooting at the time so it would in no way tell you what your CZ will do.

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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2021, 05:24:00 PM »
Thanks for the info, the DGBullets I use are hardcast coated 115gr, I'll dig a little more on load data but think I'll go with 4.5 to 5.5grs, starting low & work up slow. Some say hardcast & plated data can be interchanged? What you think about that?

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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2021, 06:03:47 PM »
Plated, coated and cast bullets have worked well with the same loads.  Would not try to cover a full grain spread with only three loads.  With small weight charges recommend 2 to 3 tenth grain increases.  I usually run 10 rounds per load, 5 for chronograph and 5 for accuracy/handling.

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Re: Unique powder & 115 gr LRN coated bullets
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2021, 06:42:05 PM »
Thanks for the info, the DGBullets I use are hardcast coated 115gr, I'll dig a little more on load data but think I'll go with 4.5 to 5.5grs, starting low & work up slow. Some say hardcast & plated data can be interchanged? What you think about that?
I've used some plated bullets and they tell you to use lead cast data for them. As long as you keep velocities below 1200 fps you'll be fine. I never load anything non jacketed higher than that and I've never run into a leading issue.