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Offline Northern

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2021, 09:12:54 PM »
Well, I filed. The website is like a time machine to the year 1999, complete with glitches and seemingly unresolvable errors in the forms. Sigh.

Offline HeavyDuty

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2021, 12:08:57 AM »
I am - but that has always been the plan once I moved to a free state. Where on the gun are people engraving?

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2021, 07:50:15 AM »
Until they actually make this policy, the only real reasons to SBR are that you want to for bleeps and giggles, or you want to shoot it in PCC division.

Even if they do pass it, the worksheet they've spun up makes it look like there are a LOT of variables, which I imagine will generate some evolution in the brace market if/once the dust settles.

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2021, 08:21:20 AM »
I do want to be able to shoot it in PCC so it was always the plan to SBR it; this just  fast tracked my plans because I’ve heard that individual applications are down to just 3-4 weeks, whereas if the rule materializes, presumably there will be so many applications that I envision the already slow system to crawl to a near stop.

But besides that, I disagree that it’s just for “bleeps and giggles.” I’d like to put a Zhukov stock on mine because it will make it nicer to shoot.

Offline 427Cobra

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2021, 10:14:49 AM »
I sent my form 1 in on Jan 12th, the background check is stuck in FBI limbo, I walk around TSA security so there is no background check I can't pass.

Offline Northern

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2021, 10:55:25 AM »
I don’t understand how it’s different than a NICS check, and those typically take about 5 minutes.

Offline mikec

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2021, 11:31:20 AM »
It’s not just a background check, you also have to mail in your fingerprint cards.  And then FBI has to process them!

Offline John A.

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2021, 12:17:34 PM »
Nope.

I'm not registering anything else, and I'm not paying them $200 per weapon to do it.

Dotgov can get bent, pound sand, and cry in their pillow.
I used to think politicians made stupid gun laws because they were stupid.  Now, I know they do it as ATTRITION.

Offline thelastbill

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2021, 12:24:14 PM »
The correct answer is: why should I and who is going to make me?

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2021, 04:48:50 PM »
I am - but that has always been the plan once I moved to a free state. Where on the gun are people engraving?

This seems to be the most popular spot, followed by here.  Personally, I'm going to do mine here.

Offline mikec

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2021, 06:04:08 PM »
The correct answer is: why should I and who is going to make me?

All it takes is one law enforcement officer trying to advance his career, in this antigun climate.

After we shot machine guns in our popular pit in the national forest about 10 years ago, on our way out we were greeted by a road block, a military suited forest Ranger and two sheriff deputy backup, both cars flashing lights.  We showed them Form 4s and were quickly on our way.  Sheriff’s deputies were smiling and looked embarrassed.  Picture yourself in that situation with unregistered SBRs.  The combat ready Ranger would have a field day, another arrest, closer to promotion.  Interestingly, he knew all about Form 4s, examined them closely, and told us he has arrested people with illegal machine guns at this location in the past.
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Offline Das Hugh!

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2021, 11:03:48 PM »
I live in a tri-state hub kinda area where a few miles into either direction lands me into other states fast. So that puts a wet blanket on a dedicated car gun being a SBR right there. Then my health sucks. So my kid won't be able to hawk the wares I bequeath to her anytime soon if she So chooses when I pass in the next few years. Theyre a pain in the butt to sell. So I have mine braced for impact so to speak. The simple fact the ATF etc came out and started this convo on braces a few months back proves thier total uselessness. They basically admitted they sat around and did nuttin for ages while SBR's was being sold in the wide open. Now they wanna play catch up. And if they get thier way if other bills too.. it won't just be SBR stamps. They'd like to add all "high cap" magazines to be individually taxed too the same way. As stated above if people comply it will be inundated with requests and take 20 years to be fully compliant. Not to mention if each firearm ya own has let's say 10 mags.. that's 2k in taxes alone on mags. Another 200 for sbr. So I'm leaving mine braced till yeah there's no other option. And even then if I'm forced to SBR some.. they can still use same brace afterwards. I think. Once ya stamp it I think ya can run whatever stock ya want at that point. Don't quote me. I'm no expert. Takes a rocket scientist to keep track of all the stuff. But if it gets to be a thing that must be done they should do an amnesty imo and offer free access to SBR the current ones in circulation. Since they sat by and idly watched as the situation occurred to begin with

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2021, 12:14:31 AM »
Your tristate issue is easily solved by obtaining out of state travel permits to all 3 states for 1 full year, free, renew again in a year.   

Some of the blame should also go to companies who promoted braces and people who eagerly bought them, even if not “disabled” in any way.  Did they really think ATF would not notice or do something?  I always thought they are naive.

I don’t see licensing (or banning) of mags as being likely or realistic.  Biden would love to do it, but doesn’t have support in Congress.  I am sure anti gunners would also love to increase the stamp fee from $200 to $2,000 or $20,000 or some other crazy amount.

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2021, 06:29:04 PM »
True. But the issue of re selling anything you stamp is still a major pain. Not even sure how I'd convince a private party to buy a stamp gun from me. They'd have to agree to pay x amount. Then wait for paperwork to clear before even being able to take possession from what I understand. So I'd feel like I'd be limited to sell it to gunstores only basically and take a huge hit on price. Then all my private info will be engraved on it also. I've wondered also what happens if a SBR changes hands multiple times. Do all who own it at some point have to engrave it? This aspect tho won't bug me much cause I'll he gone by then when comes  time to sell. Anyways some things I've wondered that many folks never discuss about SBR world that I've wondered about and decided to just avoid it. And as far as many of the brace manufacturers.  Most had approval letters they sent In and was told it was all good. But either way if they didn't. It still shows the ATF was useless as they sold millions in front of God and everyone. If it was an issue like they're making it seem to be you'd think they'd have acted on it immediately after being made aware of it all. I only own two guns subject to this anyways. But still yeah erks me cause one I made specifically for car use and have a good bit wrapped up in it so far and really don't wanna do the SBR route for dam sure. Plus it puts ya name on a list of owning one. And we all know what lists lead to. So I think many like me will be hard pressed on this matter

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Re: Who is planning to form 1 their Scorpion soon?
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2021, 07:10:26 PM »
https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/blogs/nfa-gun-trust-atf-information-database-blog/removing-an-sbr-sbs-from-the-nfrtr-and-then-reregistering-the-sbr-sbs-process


I don’t know if this is accurate or up to date. Essentially you remove it from the registry, remove the component that caused it to require registry as an SBR, then sell it simply as a used Scorpion pistol. The new buyer can then re-register it and re-engrave, or simply use it as is as a pistol. Again, can’t speak to the accuracy of this link but it seems plausible to me.