457 Lux 22lr rings and scope recommendations

[John5757]

Just purchased my first CZ this weekend. A 457 Lux 22lr. Absolutely love everything about it. Put 50 rounds of CCI standard velocity rounds down the pipe at 25yrds and it’s very accurate right out of the box with the iron sights.  Mainly using this for backyard targets and tree rats and would like to get y’all’s opinion on scope rings (mainly hight of rings to use) and also scopes. For targets I mainly shoot at 25yrds but occasionally go to 50yrds but would like to do 100yds in the future.  For the tree rats probably no more than 50yrds. Price wise I’d like to stay under $300.

Thanks!

[George16]

Standard Vortex rings with Vortex 6-18 x 44 on my 457 Varmint .22LR. Keep in mind though that I don’t have any iron sights.

[John5757]

Thanks. That’s my issue I’m wondering about with rings vs rear sight. I need to choose the right height to get over the it the rear sight as I do not want to remove it. I know it will also depend on objective size too so I’m thinking max 40mm.

[George16]

You can get the 4-12 x 40mm scope and give it a try. As for trying to co-witness it with your front sight, it’ll be a trial and error. The rings come in low, mid and high. I’m using a mid.

Personally, I don’t worry about co-witnessing my optics (redo dots or scopes) with any iron sights. It’s either irons or scope/red dot for me to keep it simple. Besides, my rifle is not for hunting or self defense anyway.

Good luck.

[John5757]

Thanks, going to try a couple options tonight. I’ll let y’all know the outcome.

[gryphon]

I was hoping to see a lot more responses here. I have a 455 Trainer that I am going to scope. My concern is that just like the 457 Lux the buttstock drops to better align with the iron sights. Using too tall of a mount could cause me to shoot in an un-natural position due to scope height. I was planning to run a Leupold 2x7x33 which should clear the rear sight just fine but my concern is that if it's too low I may not clear the bolt handle. If anyone has any experience with this I'd sure like to hear about it. Sorry if I'm hijacking this thread but it seams like it's also something the OP may run into.

[david s]

I use the Leupold 2-7X Rimfire scopes on two of CZ's 452's and 455 all Full Stock with the hog back butt stocks. There set in either Leoupold or Burris medium rings. These scopes fit behind the rear sight for me so no issues there and no problems with bolt handles. I have a 452 Lux hog back stock with a 2-7X Weaver scope set in Talley medium QD rings. This scope is also behind the rear sight but really could be moved forward 1/4 inch. Just no more room forward though. No bolt problems here either. I don't have any experience with the 457 series rifles but with there new lower bolt lift (60* instead of the 452-5's 90* bolt lift I think) My guess is bolt wise you'll be okay. Rear sight interference though not a clue. Best I can offer is the apples to oranges comparison I'm affraid.

[gryphon]

david s, thanks. That is the exact combination I was considering with the exception of the rings. I was looking at the same Tally's but it sounds like you have the .600 height and I was hoping to use the .350 height. My rifle is a model 455 Trainer so the layout would be pretty much exactly the same as on your 455 full stock. Do you think the 1/4" shorter rings would clear or better off with the .600 for clearance? Did you have any trouble with eye relief?

[david s]

As mentioned the Weaver scope on the Lux could move forward just about 1/4 inch to then be perfect for me. The scope is about 1/16th from touching the back of the rear sight. The Leupolds on the Full Stocks are short enough to mount properly for myself. Not sure off hand on the height. I think there's enough room to go 1/4 inch lower and not hit the barrel but I'm not sure about bolt clearance then. I will get them out tomorrow and have a better idea after a new look at them. Here the lower bolt lift of the 457 would work in your favor. With a 455 I just don't know if there will be enough bolt clearance. The difference in comb height between an American with it's straighter comb and the curved combs on the Lux and Full Stocks is approximately 1/4 inch where your face rest on the stock. This of course is somewhat variable depending on where exactly your cheek meets the stock. When actually shooting I'm not even aware of the difference in the combs.

[david s]

My 22 LR 452 Full Stock wears one of the newer Leupold 2-7X by 33mm scopes It's set in Burris medium rings about 1/8 inch behind the tangent rear sight. The Leupolds eye relief is better than the Weaver on my Lux as the scopes positioned where it belongs. There is right around 1/4 inch between the barrel and the scopes objective. Where there is going to be problems if you go with lower rings is the bolt clearance. There is about a 1/8 inch gap between the bolt handle and the scopes ocular housing. This is with the bolt wobble at it's greatest. If I hold the bolt wobble up the gap shrinks to less than 1/16 inch. The Weaver 2-7X scope on the 452 Lux is mounted in Talley medium QD mounts. It's scopes ocular is about 1.495 inches in diameter compared to the Leupolds 1.555 inch diameter and has about the same scope to bolt handle clearance as the Full Stocks/Leupold set up. The Lux's bolt wobble is greater than the Full Stocks as if I try I can make the bolt handle come into contact with the scopes ocular housing. Both bolts can be removed from the rifles and replaced with out any problems. I don't think lower's going to work for you.

[gryphon]

Thanks for that. After reading your previous posts I decided it would be best to go with the .600 height rings rather than the shorter .350 rings. I can then decide for myself if going to the lower rings is possible or even if it's necessary. I had considered the Leupold 2x7x33 centerfire scope which is similar in size and could be used on other rifles but I don't like the reticle it comes with. The Vortex scopes are a little more price friendly but I just don't know much about them. The Leupold rimfire seems like the best/safest bet. Again, thanks for the help.

[John5757]

Well I started with a cheap Bushnell Banner 2 4x12x40mm with the adjustable objective, Cheap Modkin 11mm high rings, and also added a bipod. I’ve got to say everything fits perfectly. For me the cheek position is pretty much perfect (maybe a tad high but ok). Still need to dial it in more at longer distances.  Sighted are 30yrds for now but only 5rounds.

I’d post a pic but can’t figure this out on here. Should be able just to paste and image!

[david s]

I haven't played with the 457 series rifles yet. May I ask you how much bolt handle clearance your rifle and scope combination has? The 457's shorter bolt lift would seem to offer an advantage with getting scopes lower. Mostly just curious.

[George16]

I haven't played with the 457 series rifles yet. May I ask you how much bolt handle clearance your rifle and scope combination has? The 457's shorter bolt lift would seem to offer an advantage with getting scopes lower. Mostly just curious.

For mine, I have almost a couple of inches of clearance. The 60* angle of the bolt was a nice mod to the  90* bolt  found on older models of CZ 452, 453, 455, 457 etc.

[david s]

Wow, that 60* bolt lift does really make a difference. That should definitely make a scope/ring selection process easier.