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Offline Tinker Black

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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2021, 01:17:24 PM »
  The way I see it, if you are carrying and a perp comes up to you and puts a gun in your face, you just lost your belongings AND your CCW gun...
If your gun is concealed, how will the robber know to steal it?

In most cases, a robber wants to be done w/ his act ASAP. He wants wallet/purse, watch/visible jewelry, and maybe cell phone. It's highly unlikely he will take the time to pat you down like a cop would, because time is of the essence. Every passing second is another second that he could be caught in the act. Taking the time to search someone puts him at further risk of his victim retaliating or the situation somehow escalating against the robber's favor.

This relates to one of the arguments against open carry. If you carry openly, then the robbers know whom to target if they want to steal your gun, and the shooters know whom to shoot first in a mass shooting scenario.

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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2021, 08:47:13 PM »
It improves the odds in my favor. The same way things like fire extinguishers in my house, and air bags in my car. It's not a complete answer, but every little edge helps.

Agreed!

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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2021, 08:55:35 PM »

This relates to one of the arguments against open carry. If you carry openly, then the robbers know whom to target if they want to steal your gun, and the shooters know whom to shoot first in a mass shooting scenario.

Please cite detailed numbers where this has actually occurred for both of your "scenarios"

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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2021, 11:38:54 PM »
  I wonder how many of the apparent many members here, that conceal carry, have actually had to use their gun in a situation where they were  “reasonably in fear for his or her physical safety and they were not able to retreat” as per CCW laws. 
  The way I see it, if you are carrying and a perp comes up to you and puts a gun in your face, you just lost your belongings AND your CCW gun, unless you are John Wick of course. It all really doesn’t make sense to me, as I am no John Wick and don’t want to lose my gun.
Are you implying..... there's no reason to carry concealed?

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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2021, 02:36:09 PM »
Risk assessment, risk assessment, risk assessment.  Making smart choices in your life, taking informed decisions, avoiding unnecessary risks in you lifestyle is better in mitigating risks than concealed carry. At least in Europe.

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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2021, 02:53:11 PM »
Risk assessment, risk assessment, risk assessment.  Making smart choices in your life, taking informed decisions, avoiding unnecessary risks in you lifestyle is better in mitigating risks than concealed carry. At least in Europe.
Here in America some of us make smart choices, take informed decisions, avoid unnecessary risks AND carry a gun. Hard to believe, I know.

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2021, 06:08:48 PM »
Risk assessment, risk assessment, risk assessment.  Making smart choices in your life, taking informed decisions, avoiding unnecessary risks in you lifestyle is better in mitigating risks than concealed carry. At least in Europe.
Well what ever works best for y'all in europe is what you should do. But even with all that may be wrong here in the U.S. we're glad we are not europe.

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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2021, 12:08:02 PM »
If there is a chance your CCW will be taken, don't carry your Tactical Sport Orange.  Might look into carrying a Glock.


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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2021, 12:18:15 PM »
   “reasonably in fear for his or her physical safety and they were not able to retreat” as per CCW laws. 
Thank God I have never been in such a situation. Thank God in Florida you don't have to retreat, as God intended it to be.

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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2021, 12:21:23 PM »
Risk assessment, risk assessment, risk assessment.  Making smart choices in your life, taking informed decisions, avoiding unnecessary risks in you lifestyle is better in mitigating risks than concealed carry. At least in Europe.
Here in America some of us make smart choices, take informed decisions, avoid unnecessary risks AND carry a gun. Hard to believe, I know.

No intent to flame, but for most Europeans, it's hard to understand.

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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2021, 12:49:48 PM »
  I wonder how many of the apparent many members here, that conceal carry, have actually had to use their gun in a situation where they were  “reasonably in fear for his or her physical safety and they were not able to retreat” as per CCW laws. 
  The way I see it, if you are carrying and a perp comes up to you and puts a gun in your face, you just lost your belongings AND your CCW gun, unless you are John Wick of course. It all really doesn’t make sense to me, as I am no John Wick and don’t want to lose my gun.

The "logic" here escapes me.

In answer to your first question, yes. As a permit holding civilian I've had to draw on an assailant because I was in fear for my life. Back in the days when night deposits were done for retail and restaurants (which was certainly a bad approach, but that's a different debate) some poor slob had to bring the cash bag to the bank. That was me. The title was actually  "2nd Assistant Manager" if that gives you a sense of how far up the food chain this job was.  Anyhow, as I approached the bank's night drop a weapon brandishing man ran towards me sreaming "drop the bag @$$...!" I did not have the presense of mind to calculate my ability to "retreat" at a speed that exceeded his charge towards me. Nor was I comfortable that dropping the bag and running was going to save me from the in-progress assault.  :o

I drew. I am eternally grateful that the sight of my J frame caused him to instantly turn tail and run the other way. I also thank G@& that I didn't need to fire,  and didn't fire. I was not terribly well trained, and confess there was not a lot of cold logic in my head at the time. John Wick? More like stained pants. Did I get lucky? Probably. But it was a form of luck unattainable to an unarmed victim.

In sum, Grendel's note on fire extinguishers above is entirely on point.

The way I see it, unless you have the option of bringing a police officer or security professional everywhere you go like senior officials and celebrities do, training and legally permitted CCW are the best option. Defending yourself from violent criminals is not a lot different than defending yourself from a deadly virus; inaction based on misinformation won't help. Preventative action might.

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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2021, 03:52:19 PM »
Risk assessment, risk assessment, risk assessment.  Making smart choices in your life, taking informed decisions, avoiding unnecessary risks in you lifestyle is better in mitigating risks than concealed carry. At least in Europe.

Sometimes, perhaps even oftentimes, all the "avoiding of unnecessary risks" one might engage in doesn't necessarily keep you out of danger. Prepared is better than unprepared, no matter where you are.
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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2021, 08:50:18 PM »
Risk assessment, risk assessment, risk assessment.  Making smart choices in your life, taking informed decisions, avoiding unnecessary risks in you lifestyle is better in mitigating risks than concealed carry. At least in Europe.
Here in America some of us make smart choices, take informed decisions, avoid unnecessary risks AND carry a gun. Hard to believe, I know.

No intent to flame, but for most Europeans, it's hard to understand.
Fair enough, and I get it. However, I'm not on European gun boards(if they even exist) preaching my ideology. For the record, telling Americans that exercising their right to bear arms is somehow misguided and even lacks intelligent consideration is never going to be well received.

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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2021, 09:39:02 PM »
Risk assessment, risk assessment, risk assessment.  Making smart choices in your life, taking informed decisions, avoiding unnecessary risks in you lifestyle is better in mitigating risks than concealed carry. At least in Europe.


Well, what happens when you run out of “safe places” and trouble comes looking for you (as it inevitably does when you don’t snip trouble in the bud by crushing it where ever you find it). I guess that’s why Europe has so many “no go zones” (dens of terrorism) where even armed police fear to tread.

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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2021, 10:12:51 PM »
Ok guys, lets get back to the topic at hand, which is 'The rationale for CCW', not the differences in firearms 'culture' around the world.
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