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Offline RSR

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2021, 04:04:13 AM »
My comment on a 3X to augment is speculation.  I could EASILY see the use on a long range patrol for a specific use for a specific operation.  I've carried 70 LBS on my back for 25 Kms a day for extended periods.  NOT that I'd do that now - just saying its a viable possibility. 

The MD 25 provides me an ACSS reticle - not essential.  Provides a bit more capability.  I find it easy to use in a forward position like a dot, and provides SA and a bright tube and capability if I need it.  Meanwhile it provides rapid acquisition.

The ARMS mount is solid.  I've dismounted it and twice had to adjust the center.  So - why have it?  Two reasons.  One, it is LOWER and provides a better view in cowitness - yup hard to believe but true.  Second, if my MD25 gets damaged in the middle of an engagement, I throw it off and shoot with the irons unobstructed.  Some folks never considered that, but glass can break, or get sprayed with stuff.  Stuff happens at the worst time.  Murphy is everywhere on the battlefield. 

It also MAY need some breaking in.  Right now it does the first two functions fine.

I didn't realize they now come w/ the ACSS.

Looked at MrGNG's vid of this new reticle version IRL and the horseshoe would help w/ speed, but unsure of utility of the rest of the reticle for me w/ astigmatism -- the blurriness of his shot at link is in the ballpark as to how I see red dots at 3x or larger its acutal size (playing w/ power to turn down lowest visible and taking time to judge center of the blur -- it's not a straight line more of a dogleg -- helps significantly at distance but also takes away much of the red dots intrinsic advantages)...  https://youtu.be/QU4N34lQGPc?t=452
Beyond 250-300 yards, irons provide me with greater precision, even more so w/ KNS think front sight post installed.

The throw it off is why offset sights for rapid transition if that's a use case you have. 

I'm of the opinion that everyone should carry allen key in pistol grip/cleaning kit for any permanently affixed red dot.  And if durability is so important, I'd suggest moving up to aimpoint...  Both killflash and flip covers available. 

I have but do not care for killflashes on red dots.  Looking through honeycomb is super annoying, and killflash do nothing to hide direct sight of your illuminated dot.

If ADM makes a QD of similar height, I'd strongly suggest looking there.  They're my overwhelming choice for anything QD.  Have over a dozen of their QD mounts w/ zero RTZ issues provided optic properly torqued down to mount. 

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2021, 05:41:21 PM »
An RS Reg lower mount and AKOT upper piece with one of those small 3x ACOGs might be neat. I bet that would be barely longer than the dust cover.

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2021, 11:10:05 PM »
An RS Reg lower mount and AKOT upper piece with one of those small 3x ACOGs might be neat. I bet that would be barely longer than the dust cover.
Pretty much, though Brian has said he wants to stick with 2x. Concerning size, here’s an older pic from earlier this year with several of mine. Top to bottom, then left to right:

3x30 TA33
3x24 TA50 (same size as my 2x20 TA47 I showed in earlier post)
1.5x16 TA44





Just for grins, the TA50 I had was the 7.62x39 BDC model. Worked like a charm!

 

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2022, 10:11:25 PM »
Got it mounted. Haven't shot it yet.
Optic looks great, especially for the price.

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2022, 09:09:30 PM »
BTW:  my ARMS mount now holds zero in between being detached. 

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2022, 08:30:49 AM »
BTW:  my ARMS mount now holds zero in between being detached.

What changed?

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2022, 05:04:22 PM »
BTW:  my ARMS mount now holds zero in between being detached.

What changed?

Hey shoot- I don't know.  I figure that I 'broke it in'.  I'm just glad it references back.  I haven't shot it yet, but mounting and dismounting with my cowtiness works.  I LOVE the lever on it, but the little square key that fits the Micro is a tad too small and you are relying on the four screws.  I may buy another for an AK and its Ultimak. 

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2022, 01:15:52 PM »
Finally got a chance to shoot today with the PA 2x prism. Took a bit to get zeroed, but was ringing steel at 200 without issue. No issues with "brass" hitting the optic.
Rifle has changed a bit since my last post, now has the MI folding stock, and Samopal trigger upgrade.

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2022, 03:32:18 PM »
Finally got a chance to shoot today with the PA 2x prism. Took a bit to get zeroed, but was ringing steel at 200 without issue. No issues with "brass" hitting the optic.
Rifle has changed a bit since my last post, now has the MI folding stock, and Samopal trigger upgrade.

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Pics of MI folding stock would be appreciated.  Can you use irons with it?  Thanks.

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2022, 05:50:28 PM »
Finally got a chance to shoot today with the PA 2x prism. Took a bit to get zeroed, but was ringing steel at 200 without issue. No issues with "brass" hitting the optic.
Rifle has changed a bit since my last post, now has the MI folding stock, and Samopal trigger upgrade.

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Pics of MI folding stock would be appreciated.  Can you use irons with it?  Thanks.

Can see irons fine. Mounted on the lower end of the Stormwerkz adapter.

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2022, 09:24:44 AM »
CZgunner:  Thanks much.  Looks like a good stock and I like the hinge.  The hinge is less obtrusive than the SIG MPX - which when reversed for right hand folding can get in the way a bit for lefties.  While you cannot shoot while folded, I'm not all that worked up about that capability.  Multiple sling quick detach mounts are welcome - are they anti-rotation? 

it MIGHT be a tad higher than the SIG Minimalist, which is a downside for me.  Not sure I can tell.

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2022, 09:30:55 AM »
CZgunner:  Thanks much.  Looks like a good stock and I like the hinge.  The hinge is less obtrusive than the SIG MPX - which when reversed for right hand folding can get in the way a bit for lefties.  While you cannot shoot while folded, I'm not all that worked up about that capability.  Multiple sling quick detach mounts are welcome - are they anti-rotation? 

it MIGHT be a tad higher than the SIG Minimalist, which is a downside for me.  Not sure I can tell.

I'm a lefty, the stock can be installed to fold right or left. I have it folding this way as to not interfere with my optic mount. The reason I use folding stocks is for storage and transport. It is so fast to open, I cannot imagine a scenario where I would want to shoot while folded.
The sling swivels are anti-rotation.
The stock can be adjusted up and down on the 1913 adapter. Like I said, at this height, I can use the irons no problem.
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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2022, 09:37:38 AM »
Anti-rotation swivels is a VERY nice touch!  Being able to lower or heighten the stock on the adapter is also nice - for me essential, because any gun that cannot use the OEM irons (when needed) is useless. 

You are very right - having a stock folding on the right is a huge advantage for rails on AK style mounts. 

I wish you had posted this up a year earlier.  LOL.  (Don't think this stock was out then)

ONE of the many problems with buying this type of gear is that UNTIL you mount it up, you really don't know exactly how it will work with you - VZ 58s aren't something you can try out at the LGS - heck - many AK mods are not well understood just watching a video.

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2022, 01:42:23 PM »
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The stock can be adjusted up and down on the 1913 adapter. Like I said, at this height, I can use the irons no problem.

How is cheek position and stock shooting in the prone?  Thanks.

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Re: Primary Arms 2x prism on RS Regulate rail?
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2022, 01:46:28 PM »
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The stock can be adjusted up and down on the 1913 adapter. Like I said, at this height, I can use the irons no problem.

How is cheek position and stock shooting in the prone?  Thanks.
Army screwed up my back, so I can't shoot prone anymore.

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