PCC recommendations?

[Tanners Owner]

Am interested in getting a new PCC. Currently have a Beretta CX storm, and am looking to get something more intuitive to manipulate. Cross bolt safety is awkward to use in my local competitions.

As such am seeking a thumb safety and last round bolt open feature, available- relatively inexpensive mags

I shot a friend’s scorpion- and it is in consideration for sure, but the price has risen ( along with everything else )  the thumb safety wasn’t as convenient as I had anticipated, but doable.

Am thinking of Foxtrot Mike, Freedom Ordnance , & scorpion. Anyone have experience with these or recommendations of other brands/ models?

Thanks in advance

[Earl Keese]

I enjoyed my Scorpion after I fixed the trigger, but found it too heavy for competition. Also, the heavy bolt causes a lot of dot bounce. I sold it and built an AR9 without spending much more than the Scorp sold for.
I used an FM9 lower, Taccom ULW upper assy, Taccom ESS bolt, CMC trigger. The difference is substantial...a couple lbs lighter, better ergos, and less dot bounce, still very reliable. State of the art right now is the JP5, but that's a much bigger financial commitment.

[BStill]

I don't compete, but I've been looking at PCC's and these are rising to the top of my list:
- Scorpion:  I don't compete anyway, and I like the side charging handle, especially swappable to left side.
- Aero Precision EPC-9
- PSA AR-V
- PSA AK-V

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[Phyffe]

I already own a Scorpion carbine.

I might be interested in the CMMG Banshee in 9mm (they come also in 300 Blackout but I guess that's not a PCC anymore).

Why the Banshee and not the other AR types?

I will admit a lot of it is aesthetics. The 9mm mag is NOT a Glock mag and looks like a "proper" weapon. IMHO the only downside to Glock mags on a PCC is it looks dinky.

[j102]

My vote would be for a CMMG Banshee or a CZ Scorpion. Two of the most reliable ones out there.
The Scorpion heavy bolt moves the Red Dot a lot, but I hear a lot of people use it in competition.

[LA Scorp]

I don't have any firsthand experience with it, nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, but you might take a look at the Ruger PC offering.

Available in both 9mm and 40 S&W, several variations and uses Glock-common-as-dirt mags.

Also seems to be a decent variety of aftermarket upgrades.

[BStill]

for me, I think a 9mm PCC needs to be a pistol length.  I'm no ballistician, but IIRC 9mm muzzle velocity is optimized at approx. 9-10" of barrel length.  (unless I'm confusing that with 300 BO).  But regardless of muzzle velocity, I just can't understand the logic of a rifle/carbine length 9mm.  Maybe it has advantages for competition rule-sets? 

But for things like range fun, new shooters, and home defense (particularly the potential of home defense use by a non-shooting wife), a 7-10" barrel seems optimum.

Certainly open to correction/counterpoints.

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[2morechains]

Back in 2017 when PCC was a provisional division in USPSA I put an AR9 together from a mish-mash of different parts. 

QC-10 lower with Colt/Uzi pattern mags.  At the time the lowers that took Glock mags didn’t offer LRBHO, but QC-10 did with Colt mags.  I believe that has since changed and many of the PCC lower manufacturers have figured out LRBHO with Glock mags.  If you shoot Glocks it makes sense to use one that accepts Glock mags.  Colt mags are ~$30 for a 32 rounder and Taylor Freelance makes a +10 extension for gun games.  I’ve never needed more than 42 rnds for a stage. 

Upper is a generic AR9 upper w/ the really big brass deflector.  Not sure if that was needed or not, but back in 2017 it seemed like the thing to do.     

Barrel:  Originally I went with a 16” barrel from BA with A2 bird cage.  That combo was quiet, too quiet for shot timers to pick up reliably unless the RO was really close.  I bought a cheap AR comp with really big baffles and drilled it out for 9mm.  That made the shot louder, but due to the 16” barrel my regular pistol ammo was chrono-ing 1,150-1,200 fps (~145 PF).  So if I wanted to be closer to 130 PF I had to load some really powder-puff rounds, but that meant I had to keep two loads of 9mm, one for pistol/one for PCC.  Doable but a PITA.  Eventually I got a Taccom UWL barrel that is 5.5” long with a 16.1” aluminum shroud that is pinned to the barrel.  It solved a number of things:  it chrono’d low 130’s PF with my regular pistol ammo, it was loud enough for the shot timer on regular setting to pick up even from 10’ away, and it gave me a better balance rather than being muzzle heavy. 

BCG and buffer:  Originally started out with a CMMG BCG and basic carbine buffer.  Experimented with different springs and weights in the buffer.  After several thousand rounds I started to get some FTE’s.  Ended up replacing replacing them with a BCG from JP along with JP’s Silent Captured Spring system and my ejection problem went away. 

The rest of the PCC is basic AR stuff: grip, stock, fore-end… Trigger is a Hypertech bc that is what I have on my other ARs.  Red dot is a C-More Railway and a Vortex Razor on a 45 deg mount. 

It’s a fun division, I still shoot it periodically but with all the advances in AR-9 technology, specifically with what JP Enterprise is doing with their JP-5, my blow-back operated gun is probably a relic by now. 

[Earl Keese]

The JP5 is likely to be a game changer, but at $3300 I'm not sure how many will show up at local matches. Shooting a JP GMR15 is what caused me to sell my Scorpion.

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[Hammer Time]

I would highly recommend the Sig MPX. I used to own a Scorpion and it was fun, but there is no comparison at all with the MPX. AR manual of arms, too, which is part of the reason I made the switch.

[floridaman]

Can’t say enough about my Foxtrot Mike FM9 lower + 9mm upper

[newageroman]

I dig the Ruger PC9 PC Charger is also an option that takes Glock mags. I'm still working on getting it running with CZ-75 mags.

[Claymore504]

I got my Scorpion a few years back directly through the CZ LE/MIL program. I paid right at $700 back then and I have been very happy with it. I have added a few HB Industries parts to make it more user friendly for me. I know the price has gone up these days. If I was to look for a PCC again, I would take a hard look at the MPX for sure.

[rdcinhou]

My PCC is an FN PS90 (technically a "bullpup") and works well with my FN Five-seveN (5.7x28mm).
Nice 50 round mags, ambidextrous and ejects down.

[MeatAxe]

Somebody needs to make a PCC in 7.5 FK Brno