PCC recommendations?

[rdcinhou]

After thinking about it, if I was to looking to get into a "PCC" again, I would really consider a 357MAG lever gun like the Henry Big Boy X. I would add a light and red dot optic and run it.

I'm with you. My Henry .357 mag all steel Big Boy has been great. And now I'm considering either an All Weather or an "X" model in 44 mag to set up with a RDS and a WML. It would be a great camp gun, home defense, and also just a lot of fun on the open range.

I didn't consider my Henry Big Boy's in .357 mag and .44 mag as "carbines" since they weren't semiautomatic like my FN PS90.

[Hammer Time]

I didn't consider my Henry Big Boy's in .357 mag and .44 mag as "carbines" since they weren't semiautomatic like my FN PS90.

They are definitely still considered 'carbines' in the shorter (16" +/-) barrel config. Lever guns chambered in pistol calibers really were the original "pistol caliber cabines."

[zaitcev]

I dig the Ruger PC9 PC Charger is also an option that takes Glock mags. I'm still working on getting it running with CZ-75 mags.

Is there anything else you can share about the CZ-75 project? Are you modifying gun or magazines?

[rdcinhou]

I didn't consider my Henry Big Boy's in .357 mag and .44 mag as "carbines" since they weren't semiautomatic like my FN PS90.

They are definitely still considered 'carbines' in the shorter (16" +/-) barrel config. Lever guns chambered in pistol calibers really were the original "pistol caliber cabines."

Over the years I try to use terms in their correct definition, so I checked the definition of "carbine":   a light automatic rifle

Historically, the term was applied to "a short rifle or musket used by cavalry."

So under the old meaning, even a muzzle loader would have been called a carbine.

[Earl Keese]

Why are we discussing 10lb lever action rifles when the OP asked for recommendations for a pcc to be used in competition?

[Hammer Time]

Over the years I try to use terms in their correct definition, so I checked the definition of "carbine":   a light automatic rifle

Not sure where you checked that definition, but there most definitely were "lever action carbines" before there were "semi-auto carbines." That's a matter of historical record, not opinion.

Why are we discussing 10lb lever action rifles when the OP asked for recommendations for a pcc to be used in competition?

1) Not 10 lbs. The whole idea of a lightweight carbine is to keep it short, manueverable and light. My lever carbine weighs 6.5 lbs.

But let's not derail this any further - Earl is clearly perturbed. 

[Claymore504]

The original topic is on a pistol caliber carbine options. I think the main factor is pistol caliber. I just threw in an option of running a lever gun in a pistol caliber. More options is always good. How about an M1 Carbine!?

https://youtu.be/pA4jfV5LkIQ

https://youtu.be/2y723KujuDA

[Earl Keese]

I'm not perturbed at all. I was just pointing out the use case indicated in the original post-
"Cross bolt safety is awkward to use in my local competitions."
If you want to debate the original definition of carbine, or even what defines a pistol caliber, have at it.

[Tanners Owner]

As the OP, I appreciate the different viewpoints on what others view works for them. Interesting for sure.

In my case, as I stated earlier, was to get a PCC for my competition games.  Certain attributes for the games are desirable- these I found in a AR style- FOR ME..

This is not to say that any of the options others mentioned aren’t ideal for their needs- probably is, but they aren’t for my needs.

Once I get the carbine and shoot it some, I’ll report back

[newageroman]

I dig the Ruger PC9 PC Charger is also an option that takes Glock mags. I'm still working on getting it running with CZ-75 mags.

Is there anything else you can share about the CZ-75 project? Are you modifying gun or magazines?

on the list to do... I have my pistols sorted out for now, so yeah, will be soon. thx for the reminder.
Basically the run down is this (from memory): Since I just run glock mags, I modded the Ruger magwell to just add a piece of thin felt on the inside of the magwell (for testing), The mag catch doesn't work with stock CZ mags because the latch hole is in a different location on the PCC. But... I hand cycled dummy rounds all 20 using the cz75 mags while holding into the magwell vertically.
Still some tuning and drilling out a mag catch hole is next. When I tried it before I didn't have a drill press, but now I do, so no excuses!!

[zaitcev]

The mag catch doesn't work with stock CZ mags because the latch hole is in a different location on the PCC.
Still some tuning and drilling out a mag catch hole is next.

Thanks for the explanation. As it happens, I sell CZ-75 adapters for Ruger as a hobby business, but I'm a little unsatisfied about how complex my design is, so I'm on lookout for some friendly competition or possibly exchange of ideas. My customers would not stand drilling holes in their guns, so I use a little moving arm that transfers the force down to where CZ-75 magazine notch is. It is made from 16 gauge steel welding sheet.

[Tanners Owner]

Was able to pick it up, install my Vortex sparc, do some laser zero before it went into the safe.  So far looks and feels like a quality piece of kit.

[ams]

I had a Scorpion, it didn't like my IDPA loads, I bought a Ruger PC and it didn't like my defensive loads.  I bought an mp5 clone... it's not a picky eater.   

[Tanners Owner]

I had a Scorpion, it didn't like my IDPA loads, I bought a Ruger PC and it didn't like my defensive loads.  I bought an mp5 clone... it's not a picky eater.

Does your mp5 clone have last round bolt open feature?  That’s a feature I sought when seeking a PCC.

I shot a full auto Mp 5 years ago when in the service- really enjoyed it.  This was well before optics or rails were vouge.

[tdogg]

I've been eyeing the Fox Trot but I can't let myself to get into PCC.  We still make fun of (tongue and cheek) PCC shooters even though that class is pretty much the biggest class in the sport now.  One of my local club members just did purchase the Fox Trot 9 with the forward nonreciprocating charging handle and it is money.  It seems like a good design that offers some tangible benefits for the competition shooter.  I'm not sure how it runs yet but I'm sure it's easy to get sorted if needed.

Let us know how your Fox Trot runs, I may just have to join the movement.  I'll say it is for my son who is just starting out in the sport, yeah that is a good excuse for sure! 

Cheers,
Toby