Advantages of P-09 over a 75B?

[Phyffe]

I debated whether I should post this here or the Polymer forum but...

I've recently been thinking of selling my 75B (stock except for Crimson Trace lasergrips) and replacing it with a P-09.

It has been described as having a similar internal slide rail layout to the 75 family and being one of the softest-shooting full-sized pistols.

Does anyone have an opinion either way?

Would appreciate input from someone whose had experience with both.

TIA!

[rdcinhou]

I have both and heartily recommend the P-09 over the 75B.

Yes...the P-09, like most CZs, has the internal slide rail giving a lower barrel axis and of course softer recoil.

[BStill]

I started with a P-01 and had always wanted to add a full size CZ also.  So since the purpose set doesn't include carry, I went with the SP01.  As a range fun gun, it's my more affordable alternative to a Shadow, and as a HD gun I also like the heft of the metal gun.

But I also have that intangible preference for the metal models over the polymer frames, hence the P-01 over the P-07 to begin with.  I just feel like a polymer frame on a hammer fired gun is an anachronism.  Personal preference.  The sound and feel of the hammer drop (dry fire) on a metal gun is just more satisfying to me.

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[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

You'll get varying to totally different opinions on this subject. I had a couple P-07's in addition to my several 75 variants. Both P-07's are gone in favor of the 75's. They won't be coming back. I found too much variation in the Omega lockwork and they just don't come close to tuning up like a standard 75 series action. I never found the P- series to be any softer shooting than the 75 but recoil is perceived differently by different shooters.
I'll take the 75 over the P-07/09 any day.

[boatdoc55]

I've got a couple, er three of each and I wouldn't give up any of them. Life's to short not to have a lot of CZ's.

[BStill]

I started with a P-01 and had always wanted to add a full size CZ also.  So since the purpose set doesn't include carry, I went with the SP01.  As a range fun gun, it's my more affordable alternative to a Shadow, and as a HD gun I also like the heft of the metal gun.

But I also have that intangible preference for the metal models over the polymer frames, hence the P-01 over the P-07 to begin with.  I just feel like a polymer frame on a hammer fired gun is an anachronism.  Personal preference.  The sound and feel of the hammer drop (dry fire) on a metal gun is just more satisfying to me.

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having said all that, if the Czechs ever release their old service Phantoms to the surplus market, I might grab one.  Not sure what exactly is the differences in performance between Phantom and P-09 (other than Phantom was discontinued) but I'm sure there are threads on that in the polymer forum.

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[rdcinhou]

I've got a couple, er three of each and I wouldn't give up any of them. Life's to short not to have a lot of CZ's.

I would have to agree with that sentiment.  I don't limit myself to just CZs, though. 

On the topic of the SP-01 Phantom...I remarked many threads ago that it you could only have ONE (1) CZ, I would recommend the Phantom (fairly "stout" polymer frame, rail, decocker, 18 round magazine).  It has plenty of "heft" to handle recoil.

Years back shortly after it was introduced, one military magazine said that it was the ideal combat sidearm as it was designed for rugged use by military and law enforcement.

[zmr]

gross.

[BStill]

I've got a couple, er three of each and I wouldn't give up any of them. Life's to short not to have a lot of CZ's.

I would have to agree with that sentiment.  I don't limit myself to just CZs, though. 

On the topic of the SP-01 Phantom...I remarked many threads ago that it you could only have ONE (1) CZ, I would recommend the Phantom (fairly "stout" polymer frame, rail, decocker, 18 round magazine).  It has plenty of "heft" to handle recoil.

Years back shortly after it was introduced, one military magazine said that it was the ideal combat sidearm as it was designed for rugged use by military and law enforcement.

did Phantom use a different polymer than P-09?

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[Earl Keese]

I've got a couple, er three of each and I wouldn't give up any of them. Life's to short not to have a lot of CZ's.

I would have to agree with that sentiment.  I don't limit myself to just CZs, though. 

On the topic of the SP-01 Phantom...I remarked many threads ago that it you could only have ONE (1) CZ, I would recommend the Phantom (fairly "stout" polymer frame, rail, decocker, 18 round magazine).  It has plenty of "heft" to handle recoil.

Years back shortly after it was introduced, one military magazine said that it was the ideal combat sidearm as it was designed for rugged use by military and law enforcement.

did Phantom use a different polymer than P-09?

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There were early and late production runs, with the latter using a different polymer than the early ones...IIRC.

[Skookum]

I've recently been thinking of selling my 75B (stock except for Crimson Trace lasergrips) and replacing it with a P-09.

It has been described as having a similar internal slide rail layout to the 75 family and being one of the softest-shooting full-sized pistols.

Does anyone have an opinion either way?

What do you use your 75 B for?  What would you use the P-09 for?

The P-09 is a bit lighter than the 75 B; thus, the P-09 generates about 14% more free recoil.  I wouldn't count on the polymer frame absorbing most of that increase, as the polymer seems quite stiff.  The polymer used in the 75 P-07 Duty, the 1st generation P-07, was subject to warping, especially in guns chambered in .40 S&W, so I think the P-09 and gen2 P-07 use a stiffer and thicker polymer.

The P-09 is less expensive, a bit lighter (a plus if you plan to carry it), and has a magazine that holds three more rounds than the 75 B.  If you plan to carry it in an urban setting that has defunded police, instituted no-cash bail, and promotes domestic terrorism, the P-09 might make sense.  For home or vehicle defense, or as a range toy, the 75 B is, I think, superior, as it should be the better shooter.

Regardless, I'm a member of the Never Sell a Gun Club, unless you happen to have a defective or completely unsuitable gun.  One is never enough, and diversity in size and chambering is a plus.

[Phyffe]

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What do you use your 75 B for?  What would you use the P-09 for?

Regardless, I'm a member of the Never Sell a Gun Club, unless you happen to have a defective or completely unsuitable gun.  One is never enough, and diversity in size and chambering is a plus.
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I have a P10S as an EDC. I am considering getting a P-07 SR to replace that.

My 75B was my first gun. I purchased it for home defense, really. I have since purchased an SP-01 Shadow and if I heard something go bump in the night that would be the first thing I would reach for (then my Scorpion if there's more time), so the 75B is like a 4th option. They're all like 1 step from my bedside.

The way the P-09 was represented to me was I would have a pistol as accurate and have less recoil compared to a 75B that would have a rail. I was thinking that would be a nice gun to train the wife and kids on.

I wholeheartedly agree on not wanting to sell any gun I got, but where I live, I have to renew each gun license every 2 years, plus I have to renew my personal license as well and that limits me to 5 guns. If I upgrade the license to 10 it would cost that much more every year and I only have 2 hands....

[Skookum]

I have a P10S as an EDC. I am considering getting a P-07 SR to replace that.

My 75B was my first gun. I purchased it for home defense, really. I have since purchased an SP-01 Shadow and if I heard something go bump in the night that would be the first thing I would reach for (then my Scorpion if there's more time), so the 75B is like a 4th option. They're all like 1 step from my bedside.

The way the P-09 was represented to me was I would have a pistol as accurate and have less recoil compared to a 75B that would have a rail. I was thinking that would be a nice gun to train the wife and kids on.

I wholeheartedly agree on not wanting to sell any gun I got, but where I live, I have to renew each gun license every 2 years, plus I have to renew my personal license as well and that limits me to 5 guns. If I upgrade the license to 10 it would cost that much more every year and I only have 2 hands....

Sorry and surprised to learn the Philippines is so tyrannical about firearms possession.

Being one who prefers hammers (and metal), I can't bring myself to criticize replacing a P-10 with a P-07.  When I bought my CZs in 2012, I debated the 75 Compact vs the 75 P-07 Duty.  The frame warping problems of the latter gave the win to the Compact, but the Gen2 P-07 is much refined.

I'd have to see empirical evidence to conclude the lighter P-09 has less recoil than the 75 B.  Physics suggests otherwise.

I forgot about the rail on the P-09, but I question the wisdom of hanging any kind of light from a pistol — seems like a "Here I am, shoot here" advertizement.

Even the significantly greater capacity of the P-09 is of limited benefit.  Assuming a target hit rate during a gunfight of 20% (the FBI reports their agents hit their targets at a rate of 20 – 30%), the probability of emptying the 19+1 P-09 without any hits on the bad guy is 1.2%, while it is 2.3% for the 16+1 75 B.  Compare these probabilities to 32.8% for a 5-round revolver.

[bang bang]

I debated whether I should post this here or the Polymer forum but...

I've recently been thinking of selling my 75B (stock except for Crimson Trace lasergrips) and replacing it with a P-09.

It has been described as having a similar internal slide rail layout to the 75 family and being one of the softest-shooting full-sized pistols.

Does anyone have an opinion either way?

Would appreciate input from someone whose had experience with both.

TIA!

if you can try to find a place to rent and try.  Or if you have any shooting friends, ask if you can try theirs.

or if you can afford to own both for a short time, buy the P09 then do a side-by-side shootout.

The one you like stays.

good luck

[Wideload]

I have a P09 that I built as a USPSA Carry Optics gun because it had a wider slide for Optics and I did not want to cut my SP01 that I was using to shoot Production.  I had to get new mags, holsters etc., to complete the set up.

From the situation you describe, I would keep the 75B.  It uses same magazines as your Shadow1.  If you want more capacity, there are several after market basepads that will do so reliably.