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Offline Fangio

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Gutted about ND due to my own carelessness
« on: August 04, 2022, 09:44:33 PM »
Good evening all,
I am a long time CZ owner of many types, and an owner of pistols going back 30+ years. I am so sorry to say that this evening I had my first and God willing only negligent discharge.  I am not looking for anything that would absolve me of my stupidity, I just wanted to voice it in someway to be cathartic to let it out. My brother was borrowing two different CZs, an SP01 tactical, and a Rami BD to take to the range. I have a P01 that I’ve done significant Cajun Gun Works modifications to the trigger. I had the Rami and the SP01 unloaded and checked multiple times, and ejected dummy rounds in front of my brother.  I also had the P01 Sitting on the table next to the others just to show how nice the trigger is after it’s had a bit of work done to it. After I packed everything back up and handed him the Rami and the SP01, I in complete stupidity racked they P01 while I was looking at one of the ejected dummy rounds sitting on the table. I pointed the pistol in a safe direction and pulled the trigger. Thank God no one was in the line of fire when the round went off. It was jacketed hollow point, and it hit the concrete floor and pieces of it lodged in the cabinet doors. I literally was shaking and completely gutted that I made such a complete utter careless error. I checked to make sure everyone was all right upstairs and downstairs and thank goodness other than some ringing ears there was no physical damage to any people.
This was absolutely and totally, a completely negligent discharge and 1000% my fault. I am so gutted and angry at myself for being so careless. I know I have not posted, maybe ever on the forum, but I felt like if there was ever a time to do it, it was to talk about how safety is of the utmost importance and how I completely failed to address this properly. Again thankfully no one was injured but I felt like this was the right forum to address my stupidity more so than I already did to my brother. I have enjoyed all aspects of my pistols and rifles over the years but it is amazing how one instance of terrible decision making or lack of attention could have been a life altering experience. We are fortunate enough that it was some ringing ears and dented cabinetry being the only damage. But I do have to say that there is damage beyond this in that it has reinforced that administratively handling any firearm is just as dangerous as God forbid taking it out to protect you and those you love. To the entire CZ community and the gun community, I want to say a sincere apology as it is negligence like this that paints law abiding, sensible, responsible gun owners in a bad light. 

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Re: Gutted about ND due to my own carelessness
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2022, 11:53:35 PM »
We live and learn. No one died.
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Re: Gutted about ND due to my own carelessness
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2022, 01:04:22 PM »
Been in a similar situation when my friend did the same thing. It was amazing now simply it happened. No one was hurt, but it wasn’t just luck. He had a target setup on the wall that he used for dry fire practice and it was his default spot for anyone pulling a trigger. He placed it there because even if the unthinkable happened it was an outside wall with a berm behind it. It was, and is, a great idea. The FMJ 9mm round went right through the wall, insulation, outside stucco, 3 empty 5 gallon plastic buckets, and buried into the firewood pile. For awhile we never talked about it like some CIA top secret information. Now I tell him that he couldn’t hit a bullseye from 3’. Personally I think everyone should have to experience an unexpected discharge in a small room with no hearing protection. There are a lot of lessons to be learned, not just about safety.
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Re: Gutted about ND due to my own carelessness
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2022, 01:34:13 PM »
Happened to me at 16 yrs old. Was cycling live .22 rds through a balky feed bolt action rifle to see if I fixed the problem. Safety on. NO trigger contact and still went off. Shot into bookshelf and nailed biography of Teddy Roosevelt. Now 60+. Still don't trust or even use safeties(trust issues ya know) ;D. Every time I pick up a gun that ND is with me. Keeps me from stupidity I hope. Kept the book I shot too. As a reminder.

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Re: Gutted about ND due to my own carelessness
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2022, 03:45:08 PM »
If I'm function checking anything at home I use snap caps.

If I'm understanding correctly, you had both dummy and live rounds in the same mag.  Maybe next time have a designated dummy round mag.
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Re: Gutted about ND due to my own carelessness
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2022, 05:15:30 PM »
Thanks for all of your insights and experiences. I’ve been processing it all day and as it happened I will use it as a learning experience to be even more safety conscientious than I historically have always been. Until a moment of not paying attention changed all that. I’m so thankful no one was injured and a lesson learned to be sure. As for the snap caps, I had them in two of the three pistols and those two were empty as I checked the mags to be sure there was nothing in them. The third pistol did not have a snap cap in it. I failed to check the magazine on that one as I was not one that was going to be loaned to my brother.  Stupidly pulled the slide and that’s where my mistake was made. No excuse.

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Re: Gutted about ND due to my own carelessness
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2022, 07:21:26 PM »
At least you realize the mistake you made and own up to it.

That's the only way to learn from it.

I know a guy who has had at least two that I know of.  The first one he put a bullet through his arm from his palm almost to his elbow.  He blamed it on the gun and sold a rare pistol (one of the CZ made for Colt .40's that was DAO).

His second was standing with a foot of so of me.  He put another .40 grain bullet through the floor of his SUV right at the sill area that stayed inside the rocker panel.  His comment?  "Well, this pistol is unsafe.  I'm gonna have to get rid of it." 

Not sure what happened that first time except he was racking the slide with the pistol horizontal across his chest holding the grip in his right hand and pushing the slide back with his left hand (with the palm in front of the muzzle.)  Told him to quit that stuff more than once.  Demonstrated a better way to do it.  He kept doing it his way.

The second time I told him not to pull the trigger twice before he pulled it and was in the process of telling him a third time went the gun fired.  Each time I was yelling louder and again, he did it his way.

I no long go shooting with that guy.

His approach leaves him incapable of learning from either mistake.

You're handling this a better way.
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Re: Gutted about ND due to my own carelessness
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2022, 09:09:28 PM »
Thanks MIA4ME. I’m sorry your friend did not want to address his unsafe methods and a round through the arm would seem like a good time to take stock in such.  Glad you were not impacted. I do hope my brother will still go to the range with me. To his credit, he handled very well and kept reiterating that we learn from our mistakes.

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Re: Gutted about ND due to my own carelessness
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2022, 03:39:46 AM »
bet you wont be doing that again lmao.