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Offline jventrelsv

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Need clear explanation
« on: August 23, 2022, 09:17:38 AM »
Hey Everyone.
New to this forum, new to CZ and new to USPSA.

Okay, now that we got that out of the way-
I just purchased a racing green TS2 for USPSA competition and I’m learning that I may not be able to use it?
I don’t understand the divisions. I don’t understand what “power factors” are. I don’t intend to put an optic on it and I’m not going to convert it to a 40SW.

That being said- Can someone provide a quick answer if I can use this thing and what division?

Thanks for the help,
Jason

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Re: Need clear explanation
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2022, 03:07:20 PM »
Jason,

The TS variants (TS, TSO, TS2) are purpose built limited division guns in ipsc and uspsa.  They are very competitive in a field dominated by 2011 guns.

I assume you purchased a 9mm version which would put you in limited minor.   Had you purchased a 40S&W version,  you could shoot limited major.   If your new to the sport this doesn't matter right now.  Get out and shoot competitions and you will quickly learn what gear works and is required.

Good luck and have fun!

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Re: Need clear explanation
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2022, 03:46:31 PM »
Toby,

Thank you! I really appreciate the help. I was losing hope and coming to the conclusion that I own a $2,000 paperweight! Ha!
I will certainly get out there and get some work in. Thanks again!

Jason

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Re: Need clear explanation
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2022, 03:47:16 PM »
And Yes, I couldn't find the 40 variant, so it's in fact a 9mm.

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Re: Need clear explanation
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2022, 04:07:38 PM »
CZ-USA clearly states your pistol is USPSA Limited Division-compliant:

https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-ts-2-racing-green/
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2022, 04:13:44 PM »
You'll learn that most shooting in the limited division shoot limited major which gives you a scoring bump when not shooting all alpha's.  So shoot all alpha's and don't worry about it.  Eventually if you get into the sport you'll probably want to shoot limited major.  Starting out in limited minor is probably the best way to get into the sport.  You can load your magazines fully and you can focus on learning how to shoot without the plethora of magazines (and magazine changes!) needed in production.  Plus the TS2 will have a really nice soft recoil in 9mm and is a going to be laser accurate out of the box.

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Re: Need clear explanation
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2022, 06:15:56 PM »
welcome,

sorry i cant help you , but some thoughts...

As mentioned go out and shoot some.  have some fun while learning whats what.

You will hopefully find and discover, clubs/sports wanting new/young blood to keep their sport going.

So, if you havent introduced yourself to your local USPSA, then i would do that ASAP.  Ask them the same questions and see what they say and whats going on.

good luck

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Re: Need clear explanation
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2022, 06:45:00 PM »
Find a local USPSA club and shoot a few matches.
You will discover that most clubs will welcome you to the sport and help you figure out the rules and gear needed to shoot the game.

If you contact the Match Director ahead of time, they may even help you locate loaner holster and belt to shoot the first match.

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Re: Need clear explanation
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2022, 07:37:37 PM »
 I totally agree with what others have said. You're gun is a great one to get started in limited division. At a high level you'd want to shoot something other than 9mm in limited due to scoring difference. But don't let that deter you. Unless you are an extremely experienced shooter you won't be held back by shooting 9mm in limited for quite some time, if ever. Go shoot some local matches, learn, and have fun. After a year or so you'll have a much better idea of what works for you.

 And just to reinforce that 9mm is not going to be holding you back any time soon. Some friends and co-workers of mine compete at a national and world level. They spend just as much time working on movement and the draw as actually shooting.

 So get out there and have some fun learning! :)

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Re: Need clear explanation
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2022, 02:24:45 PM »
Jason,

The TS variants (TS, TSO, TS2) are purpose built limited division guns in ipsc and uspsa.  They are very competitive in a field dominated by 2011 guns.

I assume you purchased a 9mm version which would put you in limited minor.   Had you purchased a 40S&W version,  you could shoot limited major.   If your new to the sport this doesn't matter right now.  Get out and shoot competitions and you will quickly learn what gear works and is required.

Good luck and have fun!

Cheers,
Toby

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He pretty much hit it on the head. You can use it in Limited or Limited 10 but you will have to shoot minor power factor which most will agree is a disadvantage. However being new its highly unlikely you will be competing for top finishes anyways so I wouldnt worry much yet. Go shoot and have fun and once you are there and shoot some matches you will start to figure out what division you really want to be in. For now just follow the RO's commands and focus on being safe.

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Re: Need clear explanation
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2022, 08:03:22 PM »
And one additional point, if you change your mind and decide to put an optic on it you cannot use it in Carry Optics class.
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Re: Need clear explanation
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2022, 09:52:13 PM »
Also makes a great gun for steel and steel challenge matches where limited minor would not be a disadvantage.

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Re: Need clear explanation
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2022, 08:05:12 AM »
Toby,

Thank you! I really appreciate the help. I was losing hope and coming to the conclusion that I own a $2,000 paperweight! Ha!
I will certainly get out there and get some work in. Thanks again!

Jason

I'm always amazed when people drop serious coin on what they think is a competition firearm only to find out that either it isn't or it's not optimal.

You got lucky, but still a USPSA Limited pistol in 9 mm has little resale value to other competitors.  As others said, it doesn't suffer the same handicap in Steel Challenge, where power factor doesn't matter.

BTW power factor is bullet weight x muzzle velocity / 1000

Major power factor in USPSA is 165 minimum.  Minor power factor is 125 minimum.  Your pistol/ammo must make at least Minimum PF to score.  If your ammo is chronoed at the match and does not make Minor, your entire score for the match is zero.

Major power factor is not available in Production, Carry Optics, and Pistol Caliber Carbine divisions.  Everyone competing in any of those divisions is scored as minor power factor regardless of how high their actual PF is.

When shooting Major PF in a division that allows it, C hits are worth 4 points (instead of 3 with Minor PF) and D hits are worth 2 points instead of 1.  A hits are always 5 points regardless of power factor.

Hope that helps.